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Post by dusty350 on Apr 25, 2022 21:43:18 GMT 1
Hi Steve, I will trial fit first. Need to move the bike down to the shed for more room to work on it, and once the engine is out I can jack it up and try the wheel. I've got discs with it too so will see how it lines up I've also got a spare Vj21 wheel for the rear which should go in the Banana arm Dusty
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Post by JonW on Apr 26, 2022 5:03:43 GMT 1
VJ22 wheel Dusty? The VJ21 isnt a banana...
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 26, 2022 6:55:17 GMT 1
It's an 18" Vj21, but should fit in a Banana arm. I believe the dimensions are the same across the hub of the wheel, but the brake set up differed between the 2 models. Something to try as I have it and it's free ! Other wheels - Gsxr, Rf may be an option too. A lot depends on what goes in the front, as I want spoke patterns to match (OCD) !! Dusty
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Post by arrdy350 on Apr 26, 2022 6:58:27 GMT 1
I look forward to seeing what you do with this build. I bet you are glad to have a project to tinker with Dusty?
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 26, 2022 7:10:03 GMT 1
Thanks, yea, been a long time without something lined up. Like buses - I have 2 bikes to do now which was never the intention. I bought the Fzr purely as an engine donor, and a 250Lc is getting delivered this afternoon. Plan was for a mildish Lc hybrid, using the Fzr's 350lc engine, but the Fzr has sown a seed and I think you could improve it a lot, fairly easily. The frame of the Fzr does dwarf the engine a bit, but if you remade the down tubes so they didn't splay outwards, and maybe mounted the rad back towards the engine a touch, remade exhaust mounts to pick up a point on the frame etc, it could look quite good I think. Dusty
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Post by abar121 on Apr 26, 2022 9:01:09 GMT 1
That's nice. I was looking at the old teapot wheels myself.
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Post by arrdy350 on Apr 26, 2022 10:19:30 GMT 1
Yes like buses just have to wait and they will come. Result with having two I agree if you remade the FZR frame down tubes it would look good. What ever you decide to do with the builds they will look good Dusty with your skills 👍
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 26, 2022 20:11:11 GMT 1
Thank you Part 2 of the build plan turned up today, delivered by courier from Suffolk. The Fzr was bought to provide a 350 engine and some other related parts, but the original idea was for a hybrid Lc, so I looked for a cheapish Lc250 on ebay. Found one that looked ok, but with non standard paint, and a dent in the tank, and a hole in the seat cover. Managed to knock 350 quid off the price, which included delivery to my door, today, so I bought it unseen. The seller was a real gent though, and had provided loads of extra pics via Whattsap, plus a vid of it running. It's a full power Swiss import with 29000miles, imported by him, and registered on an age related UK plate. Apart from the paint, it seems all original. Yamaha mirrors, coil cover, airbox, uncut rear indicators and mudguard, alloy petrol cap etc. Only thing missing is the spark plug tray ! It's the most original Lc I've ever owned !! Mot till next March, starts first kick and sounds really quiet, engine wise. I almost feel guilty about stripping it Plan will be full strip and rebuild, sell on all the original parts I dont need and do a mild hybrid. It's a matching numbers bike, so that creates an issue as I had planned to sell the engine, but not sure I should now. Whoever had it has looked after it, except the paintwork. Tank is virtually mint inside too. 1 key fits all locks - I've never had that before !! 20220426_184732 by dusty miller, on Flickr 20220426_184744 by dusty miller, on Flickr 20220426_185011 by dusty miller, on Flickr 20220426_184842 by dusty miller, on Flickr 20220426_184804 by dusty miller, on Flickr 20220426_184754 by dusty miller, on Flickr I've now got the basics to start building a bike Dusty
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Post by evochris on Apr 26, 2022 20:28:30 GMT 1
That’s a lovely 250, just needs paint and a Dusty magic fairy dust touch and stick it back up for sale, might double your money lol
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Post by stusco on Apr 26, 2022 20:29:14 GMT 1
Has it got the same engine covers (gray) as the nos 250 on ebay?
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 26, 2022 20:42:04 GMT 1
That's a great start
If it's matching numbers I'd swap the top ends and pump
Anybody buying an engine would strip and check anyway so helpful to show top end bore size and condition
Steve
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 26, 2022 21:17:49 GMT 1
I think that black LC looks pretty good as is. Another great find Dusty.
Alex
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Apr 26, 2022 21:18:44 GMT 1
Wow, looks great. I bought a Swiss import a few years ago and was fantastic, they usually have heated garages so keep well. Would definitely buy another. Dusty please don't separate a matching numbers bike, they are so rare. Sell it to me instead!
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 26, 2022 21:36:21 GMT 1
I wished it was worst than it actually is to be honest - it's given me a bit of a dilemma. I understand the matching numbers thing, though it's never bothered me coz I dont do standard, but I do realise the significance. Apart from paint, a seat cover and reblacking the faded parts, it's actually really good. Couldn't believe the inside of the tank when I had a look. The ebay pics didn't do it justice really, which I suppose was good in a way. Dusty
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Post by mouse on Apr 26, 2022 21:49:49 GMT 1
Crikey that really does look good, look forward to seeing what you do with it/them!!
Mouse
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Apr 26, 2022 23:51:42 GMT 1
I wished it was worst than it actually is to be honest - it's given me a bit of a dilemma. I understand the matching numbers thing, though it's never bothered me coz I dont do standard, but I do realise the significance. Apart from paint, a seat cover and reblacking the faded parts, it's actually really good. Couldn't believe the inside of the tank when I had a look. The ebay pics didn't do it justice really, which I suppose was good in a way. Dusty I do standard you do specials. You know what you have to do...
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Post by JonW on Apr 27, 2022 5:00:25 GMT 1
I see the dilemma youve got there Dusty. Both good projects as they are rather than make two into one...
IMHO That 250 is a nice bike with very little work for someone who wants a standard bike. Its even got nice footpegs and pipes and a lot of other original stuff like the fixings. I'd be tempted to paint it and do a few jobs (not least move those clocks down under the yoke... why do so many people get that wrong?!) and move it on as a nicer 250 and at the same time sort out the issues with the hybrid and play with that for a bit. Use the money from the 250 'resto' to find another project for when these are done perhaps?
I defo think the hybrid is going to be a lot of fun with bit n bobs sorted. Would be nice with a big bore engine... hmm... its still the donor of the LC motor for whatever project you want next, but something cool to play with for the future? Defo has my creative juices flowing, along with many of us on here...
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 27, 2022 7:51:12 GMT 1
I was looking at the 250 last night, and I'm amazed at the general condition of it. Even the downpipes are free from rust and pitting. The only damage I can see is the dent in the tank and a bent brake lever - I guess a fall in a garage maybe but no sign of crash damage anywhere. Gonna get in touch with the seller today as it was advertised with the original toolkit, but that wasn't with the bike. This didn't cost much more than the 2 absolute sh**ters I looked at recently, but I still have doubts about hybridising it now thumbnail (1) by dusty miller, on Flickr thumbnail by dusty miller, on Flickr Dusty
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Apr 27, 2022 8:47:03 GMT 1
Looks great, even original fasteners. You have done well. Decisions decisions!
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Post by yamark on Apr 27, 2022 10:42:27 GMT 1
I don't know how you do it. Your like an LC bargain blood hound Great find, I've been missing you posting about your builds
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Post by JonW on Apr 27, 2022 13:44:00 GMT 1
Try pulling the dent with a cheap glue stick PDR kit, I reckon that'd come out...
Look at the plating on those fasteners, its been in a garage most of its life I'll bet.
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 27, 2022 20:58:46 GMT 1
Good idea. I have one of those dent pullers if you want to try it mate. Works very well.
Alex
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 27, 2022 21:16:24 GMT 1
Ooh, may well take you up on that Alex The dent does look like it could pull out, and it hasn't broken the paint. The glue stick method does look good Dusty
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Post by shandyboy on Apr 27, 2022 21:33:04 GMT 1
Looks a nice bike Buddy, "question is will he or won't he"
The dent will come out no probs or pay the dint man £30 to take it out
Good Buy is that
Alan
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Post by JonW on Apr 28, 2022 0:26:25 GMT 1
you have a great local dent man at 30 quid, a dent man here would be 5x that at least
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Post by oldbritguy on Apr 28, 2022 21:14:52 GMT 1
In this current dearth of acceptable 2 stroke projects throughout the country, the global mod manages to find 2 !!!!!!!!!!! I have to ask the question, will this thread remain as the "The new project is....." or will there be a splinter thread resulting in two Dusty treats for us? Remind me to give you a shout next time I am looking for a bike John
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 28, 2022 21:45:58 GMT 1
I may split into 2 threads - not sure yet. I'm no luckier than anyone else really. I did nearly 500 wasted miles on the bank holiday weekend looking at 2 absolute wrecks of Lc's - felt pretty despondent after that, plus I was really interested in tackling that red Tz on ebay, but the seller just wont drop below 5700, which is just too much considering what you would need to spend. To be honest, I now have a problem I didn't foresee. 2 potential projects but remaining funds to build just one. The Lc was just meant to donate it's frame and other parts, but I dont feel comfortable tearing into it like I thought I would. The Fzrd is also better than I thought, and could make an unusual hybrid. I could have done with a rougher Lc to start with, (but not as rough as the ones we saw !) and that would have forced my direction. What I will definitely do though is pull the 350 engine from the Fzr, and strip and rebuild it. I dont think I need to touch the 250, save for a few checks and an oil/coolant change. The Fzr engine mod is a bit cheap and cheerful, and could easily be tidied up and improved, and remaking the down tubes and some bracketry would make a huge difference. A decent set of pipes, made to blend with the bike would transform it I think. I went over the Lc tank tonight with a magnet and couldn't find any obvious filler. The original toolkit which didn't arrive with the bike is in the post to me, and it's those sort of details that make me feel stripping it isn't the way to go Dusty
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Post by JonW on Apr 29, 2022 1:42:34 GMT 1
Im totally with you Dusty. 10 (or even 5) years ago it would be different, but these days a bike that original is hard to mod I think as a lover of these bikes.
I remember 10+ years back I took a pretty nice matching nos 250 (in boxes but really not that bad and all there) and turned it into my yellow 421 'brid. 5 years or so back I felt that I 'had' to locate another frame for the 421 and instead rebuild the 250 into a bike again as it was matching numbers and the engine was just under my bench doing nothing. This wasnt done for money or even a sale as I dont sell things, but I didnt feel comfortable having split up a matching numbers bike and I restored it as a green bolt job as well. Im not suggesting anyone do that these days, the parts are much harder to find now and they werent easy back then...
It looks good, and its great there is little filler in the tank, but I'm not sure how good the paint really is on your 250 but wondering if it would be simple to whack some decals on and clear the tank cheaply and have it looking a million times better? A few parts here and then, some cleaning and something like the Mr Black we have here on those faded plastic parts and you'd have a clean and very original bike there.
My thinking is that even if all you did was clean it up and improve it and then move it on you should come out ahead and then have the cash to get back on track with the original plan or play with other purchase as it is etc Plus youd get to do a bit of a resto... something you never thought youd do haha!
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Post by urbantangleweed on Apr 29, 2022 8:56:08 GMT 1
You've got yourself a really interesting situation there Dusty but a real dilemma with the 250. We had a similar situation with the F1 bought to donate the necessary parts for the MT350 build and sell on the rest, but it's so original that we couldn't bring ourselves to do it so we had to buy another engine! Looking forward to seeing how you decide to progress it.
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 29, 2022 20:17:54 GMT 1
Dont think the paint is good enough for decals and clear coat unfortunately. The side panels have a couple of splits in the usual place, as does the tail. My original plan for a hybrid was new tank and panels with non standard paint, and I think the fact it had a non standard paintjob probably kept the price sensible. Gonna try and get a better look at both bikes over the long weekend. Sounds crazy but I haven't had time to have a really good look over the Lc yet, and it would be nice to run it and the Fzr around the block to check everything works. Then the Fzr will transfer to the shed for engine removal, and the Lc will stay in the garage - not enough room for both. Maybe then, I can start replanning !! Dusty
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