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Post by veg on Oct 18, 2020 20:26:30 GMT 1
I’m afraid I’m not at liberty to. Sorry.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 18, 2020 20:30:37 GMT 1
I can't think why you would care about the police being notified you tested positive or have been told to isolate
Unless you were intending to ignore it
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Post by veg on Oct 19, 2020 18:09:19 GMT 1
Tested positive as he attend the party of his girlfriend, absolute shocker, how dare he jeopardise the others for her images.app.goo.gl/XpoitWgnvCgKGFgA9I mean how dare, I mean why would, dear god vale have you no standards? No ethics no, no , baah disgusting behaviour I would I mean I’d do , I would maybe , possibly.
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Post by earthman on Oct 19, 2020 19:50:49 GMT 1
I can't think why you would care about the police being notified you tested positive or have been told to isolate Unless you were intending to ignore it Steve I'm not thinking of myself or the general public intending to ignore that instruction, I'm questioning the fact that cops are allowed to ignore it/carry on working and spreading it among the public in the first place. If you believe that this virus is that contagious and deadly, then why aren't you questioning/concerned about this too? Seems to me that many folk are cottoning on to this app being somewhat dubious shall we say, hence why they need to get these 'celebrities' to encourge people to download the thing in the first place. Thanks veg for saying nothing to allay those fears/thoughts. Here's a great comment from someone below that video, six very good questions I feel. "If the Test works – Why the False Positives? If the Masks work - Why the Six Feet? If the Six Feet works – Why the Masks? If all Three work – Why the Lockdown? If All Four work – Why the Vaccine? If the Vaccine is Safe – Why the No Liability Clause?"
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 9:09:18 GMT 1
In answer to the questions
1 If the test works, why are there false positives - No test is 100% infallible, if a patient has had the virus recently and has recovered there maybe traces of the virus still in their system that create the positive, even though they are not showing symptoms, a similar example would be say a pregnancy test
2-4 By combining the use of masks when outside and keeping social distancing it lowers the risk of the virus being passed on from one to another, that's how a virus lives, it needs us to survive, by then limiting the movement of the population, this again reduces the chances of viral spread from one area of the country, county, state of city or town or village. That's what New Zealand did, that's what Australia did
Western Australia, where I live, like South Australia, the Northern Territory and Tasmania all kept their borders closed and kept people in lockdown for at least two cycles of the virus, a cycle being 14 days.
Parts of Australia did, however, like the UK and other countries around the world, open up the lockdowns too soon, so that's why the virus again spread throughout those areas because citizens were still infectious and were still moving around from community to community, that's why masks, social distancing and limiting movement and lockdown had to start again, WA,SA, NT and Tas have not had community spread of the virus for 6 months now, that tells me that strategies 1-4 work
5 - A vaccine is required because the majority of the population have no immune defence against this virus, Polio is a classic example, we have no defence of it hence a vaccine has successfully been developed and Polio has pretty much been eradicated from the planet. Most of us would have had vaccines as a baby and further ones when at primary or secondary school, for example Rubella (or German Measles), measles, mumps, whooping cough or TB, and I'd guess many of us have had a Tetanus one too. These vaccines were designed to enable our bodies to give an immune response when it came in contact with the viruses, in other words our bodies already had, shall we say a taste of the virus, and our immune system then had some idea how to deal with it.
Some people will still get TB or Rubella or other vaccinated viruses and that is because there is generally a 96% success rate of a vaccine, so 4% of the population won't get the full benefit, I for one get the Flu Vaccine every year, however I still get symptoms of the Flu but nowhere near as severe.
That said our bodies have already been exposed to a "dead" virus so it has the ability to deal with a "live" one more easily. That's why ever increasing numbers of people are used to "Test" a vaccine and any test is stopped if there are any complications.
That's why it takes a long time to get it right and cannot be rushed into, that said collaboration around the world to get a vaccine is being carried out at an astonishing rate and when once there were covert trails done by one country now there are multiple countries, including China, who are sharing the results of testing to make vaccine work and have it available as soon as possible
So if you combine questions 1 - 5 you get a much better outcome than if you did nothing at all
As for the No Liability Clause, I do not have an answer, I haven't seen it or read about it I did find this though from The WHO, it is part of an article on vaccines in general and not just the Covid 19 one, it seems quite a few countries have insurance if/when a vaccine does goes wrong
Standard of proof
No-fault vaccine-injury compensation programmes are based on the premise that the adverse outcome is not attributable to a specific individual or industry but due to an unavoidable risk associated with vaccines. A problem for all compensation schemes is determining whether there is a causal relationship between a vaccine and a specific injury. The method by which causation is proven in tort law can be quite different from the accepted method of establishing causation in science and epidemiology. The most commonly accepted criteria for establishing epidemiological causation are the Bradford Hill criteria.45 While they do not provide a definitive checklist for assessing causality,46 these criteria provide a framework for separating causal and non-causal explanations of observed associations. Despite its importance, there is no single, clear consensus on the definition of causation.
In tort litigation the defendant, or defective product, is on trial for “causing” a specific individual’s or group’s adverse outcome. A direct link must be established between the particular action of that defendant or product and the adverse outcome. Legal causation is deterministic and requires proof of an allegation.
In general, most compensation schemes offer a more liberal approach to standard of proof than the legal standard. For instance, the Swedish general drug injury compensation scheme requires a “preponderant probability” that an injury was caused by a drug. While apparently reluctant to define this specifically, commentators interpret this as a “slightly more than 50%” chance of a drug having caused an injury.36
In New Zealand, vaccine injuries were previously considered “medical misadventures".47 This was taken in practice to mean a “medical error” or “medical mishap". Although both forms of accident were eligible for compensation, the distinction required the Accident Compensation Corporation to investigate whether a vaccine injury was caused by an error or was an adverse outcome of a correctly delivered vaccine. This concept of “medical misadventure” was later replaced with the concept of “treatment injury”.10 This reflects a more genuine no-fault system, ensuring compensation for injured vaccine recipients regardless of whether the injury is judged avoidable or not. Similarly, in the USA, proof of the level required in the law courts is not necessary to access compensation. One of the key goals of the scheme was simplification of the compensation system for all parties. It was felt that requiring legal causation to be proved would be overly time consuming and laborious.
I guess the reasoning for a No liability Clause at this stage is because the Vaccine is still in tertiary trials and therefore not an officially proven vaccine, given that there are more than 100 vaccines being developed at this time around the world, I can understand the reasons why
There are lots of different views from different sides of the argument and different sides of politics that compete against each other, I'd just like to say that I'd rather be alive and not have a job, again that's my opinion only, luckily I'm currently in a part of the world where the virus has been eliminated and for that I'am grateful for our state leader's decisions on strategies 1-4
The main issue we have at the moment is foreign bulk carriers coming to our export ports with crew that have the virus, that is causing us a few headaches, in reality ships need to be at sea for at least 14 days so that the incubation and recovery time of the virus has passed, that unfortunately is not happening and is somewhat beyond our control
I do believe in the science and methodology of the process
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 20, 2020 9:41:57 GMT 1
What he said 😁
Only thing I'll add about the multi measures is it's belt and braces
I wear a mask in shops AND have the 2 metre markings in the supermarkets and I still want to slap fuds for getting in my face
My car has brakes and a steering wheel so I should be able to avoid a collision
I'm still very happy to have the airbags/restraints/safety features of the car as sometimes I drive like a dick despite knowing better
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Post by earthman on Oct 20, 2020 20:17:16 GMT 1
There are lots of different views from different sides of the argument and different sides of politics that compete against each other, I'd just like to say that I'd rather be alive and not have a job, again that's my opinion only, luckily I'm currently in a part of the world where the virus has been eliminated and for that I'am grateful for our state leader's decisions on strategies 1-4 In my part of the world I don't personally know of one single person who's had this virus let alone anyone who's died of it thankfully, all my friends and work colleagues say the same. We do however know of many people who have lost their jobs, businesses and homes even, the suicide rate at my wife's hospital is sky high, cancer patients and critically ill children are being denied treatment. If this were what you were seeing over there then maybe you would see where I and many others are coming from, in my/our eyes the measures to covid 19 isn't worth this amount of collateral damage especially when the death figure for covid 19 is actually extermely low.
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Post by earthman on Oct 20, 2020 20:22:21 GMT 1
What he said 😁 Only thing I'll add about the multi measures is it's belt and braces I wear a mask in shops AND have the 2 metre markings in the supermarkets and I still want to slap fuds for getting in my face My car has brakes and a steering wheel so I should be able to avoid a collision I'm still very happy to have the airbags/restraints/safety features of the car as sometimes I drive like a dick despite knowing better Steve I get were you are coming from on the belt and braces aspect but how comes you still ride a bike period, let alone an old one that doesn't have ABS or traction control? Us motorcyclists make up 18% of road deaths,......you/we should be far more worried about that than the 1% or so chance of death from this virus.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 20, 2020 20:26:40 GMT 1
I'd have to actually ride them to be at risk 😆
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Post by earthman on Oct 20, 2020 20:30:46 GMT 1
Regardless on what 'side of the fence' you are on this subject, I don't know about you lot but I'm sick of the one rule for us and another for the police, government bods and celebrities.
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Post by alankelly on Oct 20, 2020 20:34:49 GMT 1
There is one question that as far as I know has yet to be asked in any publication or news programme and if it has been asked there has been no satisfactory answer. Why? Why is the entire planet facing an economic meltdown because of a virus? OK as viruses go it's a nasty one but to risk financial breakdown and perhaps the collapse of our way of life...is it worth it? Don't get me wrong I feel for all the people who have died from this, but I also feel for the people who die every day from cancer, heart problems etc. So...anyone know why? Alex Hi Alex I think one of the issue facing the uk and other countries is that we are no longer a country that manufactures goods and our economy is now very bias towards the service industries such as hotels restaurants and coffee shops And I think this is the reason why China has bounced back is the country’s economy is built totally around manufacturing and suppling (carp) goods to the world,and not a county who’s economy depends heavily on the service industries like hotels and catering coffee shops and tourists, and in the end no matter what the global situation is people still need to buy stuff. Just my thoughts on the subject. Best wishes to you all and stay safe Al
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Post by chrisg on Oct 20, 2020 20:46:11 GMT 1
Regardless on what 'side of the fence' you are on this subject, I don't know about you lot but I'm sick of the one rule for us and another for the police, government bods and celebrities. You clearly dont understand that these people are very important and very very clever, so all these rules and regulations are not aimed at them only us oiks, so they dont really apply to them. That's how they see it, I'm almost sure.
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Post by earthman on Oct 20, 2020 20:49:50 GMT 1
Finally a voice of sanity, I hope that this barrister get's somewhere with this or we're screwed.
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Post by donkeychomp on Oct 20, 2020 21:34:34 GMT 1
Back to the original statement...how is Rossi doing?
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Post by veg on Oct 20, 2020 21:42:12 GMT 1
Banging his super model princess I believe whilst wiping his arse with €50 notes 😁👍
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 2:24:17 GMT 1
COVID has killed more than one million people. How many more will die? Researchers warn that official figures underestimate the pandemic’s real death toll, which could more than triple if the virus is allowed to spread unchecked.
Nine months into the coronavirus pandemic, the official global death toll has now exceeded one million people. But researchers warn that this figure probably vastly underestimates the actual number of people who have died from COVID-19. And, in a worst-case scenario, one group of modellers suggests that the number of deaths could exceed 3 million people by January.
The one-million milestone was hit on 28 September, according to the COVID case tracker maintained by Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland.
In reality, it is likely that this number “was exceeded some time ago”, says Andrea Gómez Ayora, an epidemiologist at the University of Chile in Santiago. Many deaths related to the coronavirus have gone unreported, she says, particularly in countries where testing isn’t widespread. The death toll will continue to rise as diagnostic capacity increases around the globe.
Nevertheless, this is a significant moment, says Naomi Rogers, a historian of medicine at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut. “It’s an even more powerful example of the devastation of this particular pandemic, which, as we live through it, has been very easy to normalize.”
COVID-19 deaths: Line chart showing the cumulative worldwide deaths caused by COVID-19 in 2020. Sources: World Health Organization; Johns Hopkins University
“We could have avoided many of these deaths,” says Ali Mokdad, an epidemiologist at the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle. For example, in the United States — which has the highest national death toll, at more than 200,000 — it is likely that a national mandate on wearing face masks in public would have helped to reduce the rates of coronavirus transmission, he says.
How many more deaths we will see in the next months will depend on how governments respond to the pandemic, Mokdad adds.
Dark days Using official data on COVID-19 from different nations, the IHME projected the global impact of the pandemic under several scenarios. The researchers estimate that, if current trends continue, by next January the total number of deaths will reach 2.5 million, a figure that could be cut to 1.8 million if every country adopts universal mask-wearing. Their models suggest that if at least 95% of the population starts wearing a mask within 7 days, the average number of daily deaths expected by January could drop from the current projection of almost 33,300 to around 17,450.
But, under different conditions, the situation could worsen. If governments lift precautions such as social distancing and restrictions on gatherings, the death toll could climb further, reaching 3.3 million by January 2021, with around 72,700 people dying each day. “We are heading into a difficult time.” says Mokdad.
How many people has the coronavirus killed? The pandemic will also cause deaths that are not included in the official COVID-19 tally, he adds, because of knock-on effects that are beginning to emerge. These include a decline in childhood vaccinations as people avoid clinics, rising consumption of alcohol and illegal drugs, and increased mortality from other diseases as overstretched health-care systems struggle to keep them at bay.
Other researchers are hopeful that the death count passing the one-million mark could represent a turning point in the course of the pandemic. “I hope that there’s something about the notion of a million, which is such a powerful number, [that] this could potentially be a kind of wake-up moment,” says Rogers.
With a constant stream of pandemic data, there is a risk of forgetting “what the number represents: the pain of many families who saw a loved one lose their breath”, says Camila Montesinos Guevara, a global-health specialist at the UTE University in Quito, Ecuador. “It’s not a matter of just looking at the numbers.”
Are you now satisfied that this is not just a normal virus, if you think that 3.3 million people dying through not using the 4 steps above is acceptable then I think you don't understand the graveness of the situation
I too don't know anyone who had the virus or contracted it, we have had 905 deaths in Australia, why, because we put in the measures to control it in early, perhaps you and I are just lucky
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 3:13:13 GMT 1
Now back on topic
Rossi won't race this weekend either, it could be interesting when he does come back how he performs
When Martin came back he had to retire, I think it was because he was physically drained after having the virus
It takes a while for people to fully recover, and these guys are some of the fittest on the planet
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Post by veg on Oct 21, 2020 6:52:14 GMT 1
There are lots of different views from different sides of the argument and different sides of politics that compete against each other, I'd just like to say that I'd rather be alive and not have a job, again that's my opinion only, luckily I'm currently in a part of the world where the virus has been eliminated and for that I'am grateful for our state leader's decisions on strategies 1-4 In my part of the world I don't personally know of one single person who's had this virus let alone anyone who's died of it thankfully, all my friends and work colleagues say the same. We do however know of many people who have lost their jobs, businesses and homes even, the suicide rate at my wife's hospital is sky high, cancer patients and critically ill children are being denied treatment. If this were what you were seeing over there then maybe you would see where I and many others are coming from, in my/our eyes the measures to covid 19 isn't worth this amount of collateral damage especially when the death figure for covid 19 is actually extermely low. I don’t know anyone that has directly died but I do know those effected and they are or were incredibly fit and have struggled to get back to any level of fitness 6 months on. I don’t see how we can blame Covid for the knock on effects of cancelled operations etc yes it may play a small part however this will also come down to an incredible lack of investment by successive governments over the past 10 years in infrastructure and staff in the Nhs and a push towards private health care. Yet now this is being blamed purely at the feet of Covid, they have constructed several emergency response sites for Covid that remain unused they should be separating where possible Covid cases from others and treating them in isolation if possible the reasons they don’t is due to funding this government are not interested. I am also interested that you say your wife’s hospital? What are her thoughts? Surely she has seen at first hand the effects of Covid on families?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 7:11:56 GMT 1
The question is
Would you rather be alive and not have a job with the prospects of getting a job in the future or would you rather be dead and have a job ?
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Post by veg on Oct 21, 2020 8:26:43 GMT 1
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 21, 2020 8:49:56 GMT 1
Fill your cupboards guys, lockdown is coming
People keep asking why when we have restrictions and the face/space stuff why the figures were rising
Saw on the news they surveyed the public and 27% said they weren't following the rules
Surprise, surprise 🙄
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 8:57:35 GMT 1
That is deplorable
It’s a bit like our hotel quarantine issue in Victoria where untrained security guards were given the task of ensuring that the people in the quarantine hotel didn’t leave or cause the spread of the virus
No one is owning up to who made the decision to use the private sector
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 21, 2020 9:08:08 GMT 1
The attitude of some is deplorable
Was down my local Tesco the other week where there is an in and an out door
There is a local autistic (not that is really relevant) lad who works there doing the trolleys.
2 blokes (you know the type, manky trackies and drivive a transit flat bed) are walking out while the lad who had been talking to a colleague walks back in.
They start childishly making fun of him shouting he came in the wrong way and making a big deal of it
The other colleague quickly comments that neither had a mask on
Throwing stones, greenhouses...
Steve
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Post by chrisg on Oct 21, 2020 12:04:55 GMT 1
Fill your cupboards guys, lockdown is coming People keep asking why when we have restrictions and the face/space stuff why the figures were rising Saw on the news they surveyed the public and 27% said they weren't following the rules Surprise, surprise 🙄 Steve Members need to look foreword to job that need doing on there bikes and get your orders in with Norbo. Stay in your workshop - protect the NHS - save lives 🤔
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Post by earthman on Oct 21, 2020 19:54:34 GMT 1
COVID has killed more than one million people. How many more will die? Researchers warn that official figures underestimate the pandemic’s real death toll, which could more than triple if the virus is allowed to spread unchecked. Nine months into the coronavirus pandemic, the official global death toll has now exceeded one million people. But researchers warn that this figure probably vastly underestimates the actual number of people who have died from COVID-19. And, in a worst-case scenario, one group of modellers suggests that the number of deaths could exceed 3 million people by January. The one-million milestone was hit on 28 September, according to the COVID case tracker maintained by Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, Maryland. In reality, it is likely that this number “was exceeded some time ago”, says Andrea Gómez Ayora, an epidemiologist at the University of Chile in Santiago. Many deaths related to the coronavirus have gone unreported, she says, particularly in countries where testing isn’t widespread. The death toll will continue to rise as diagnostic capacity increases around the globe. Nevertheless, this is a significant moment, says Naomi Rogers, a historian of medicine at Yale University in New Haven, Connecticut. “It’s an even more powerful example of the devastation of this particular pandemic, which, as we live through it, has been very easy to normalize.” COVID-19 deaths: Line chart showing the cumulative worldwide deaths caused by COVID-19 in 2020. Sources: World Health Organization; Johns Hopkins University “We could have avoided many of these deaths,” says Ali Mokdad, an epidemiologist at the University of Washington’s Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) in Seattle. For example, in the United States — which has the highest national death toll, at more than 200,000 — it is likely that a national mandate on wearing face masks in public would have helped to reduce the rates of coronavirus transmission, he says. How many more deaths we will see in the next months will depend on how governments respond to the pandemic, Mokdad adds. Dark days Using official data on COVID-19 from different nations, the IHME projected the global impact of the pandemic under several scenarios. The researchers estimate that, if current trends continue, by next January the total number of deaths will reach 2.5 million, a figure that could be cut to 1.8 million if every country adopts universal mask-wearing. Their models suggest that if at least 95% of the population starts wearing a mask within 7 days, the average number of daily deaths expected by January could drop from the current projection of almost 33,300 to around 17,450. But, under different conditions, the situation could worsen. If governments lift precautions such as social distancing and restrictions on gatherings, the death toll could climb further, reaching 3.3 million by January 2021, with around 72,700 people dying each day. “We are heading into a difficult time.” says Mokdad. How many people has the coronavirus killed? The pandemic will also cause deaths that are not included in the official COVID-19 tally, he adds, because of knock-on effects that are beginning to emerge. These include a decline in childhood vaccinations as people avoid clinics, rising consumption of alcohol and illegal drugs, and increased mortality from other diseases as overstretched health-care systems struggle to keep them at bay. Other researchers are hopeful that the death count passing the one-million mark could represent a turning point in the course of the pandemic. “I hope that there’s something about the notion of a million, which is such a powerful number, [that] this could potentially be a kind of wake-up moment,” says Rogers. With a constant stream of pandemic data, there is a risk of forgetting “what the number represents: the pain of many families who saw a loved one lose their breath”, says Camila Montesinos Guevara, a global-health specialist at the UTE University in Quito, Ecuador. “It’s not a matter of just looking at the numbers.” Are you now satisfied that this is not just a normal virus, if you think that 3.3 million people dying through not using the 4 steps above is acceptable then I think you don't understand the graveness of the situation I too don't know anyone who had the virus or contracted it, we have had 905 deaths in Australia, why, because we put in the measures to control it in early, perhaps you and I are just lucky Are you 100% sure that COVID has actually killed that many people in the first place? Sorry but I like many others think that the real number is much lower than that because the way they have been counting/reporting these death figures in the first place,....why say 'died with' rather than 'died of' for example? The majority of people who have died have been in their 80's and already had one or two serious health conditions,.....it's that what actually killed them, not covid19! I totally agree with what this guy on the other side of the world to me says/asks, give us the figures of how many people recover from it etc.
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Post by earthman on Oct 21, 2020 19:59:33 GMT 1
In my part of the world I don't personally know of one single person who's had this virus let alone anyone who's died of it thankfully, all my friends and work colleagues say the same. We do however know of many people who have lost their jobs, businesses and homes even, the suicide rate at my wife's hospital is sky high, cancer patients and critically ill children are being denied treatment. If this were what you were seeing over there then maybe you would see where I and many others are coming from, in my/our eyes the measures to covid 19 isn't worth this amount of collateral damage especially when the death figure for covid 19 is actually extermely low. I am also interested that you say your wife’s hospital? What are her thoughts? Surely she has seen at first hand the effects of Covid on families? Lol, you want me to give you 'inside' information yet when I ask you, your response is "I’m afraid I’m not at liberty to. Sorry." I can tell you that in her hospital there are only TWO patients in there with covid,......play the game, then maybe I'll tell you more.
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 21, 2020 21:22:56 GMT 1
One of my best mates retired from the Fire Service 10 years ago. In May, he volunteered to support Surrey Fire and Rescue in any way possible. He started by checking on vulnerable people, as their normal services were diverted to Covid operations. Quite quickly he was detailed to body retrieval from the main hospitals in Surrey. The Consultants that lectured the volunteers at the beginning said bodies were piling up in the hospital mortuaries, and if they weren't collected daily, they would have to start piling them in wards ! Needless to say, there were fleets of private ambulances collecting daily from large hospitals like Guildford. Temporary fridges were installed in the garages at Wray Park Centre - Surrey Fire and Rescues headquarters site, and the fridges were often full of the deceased awaiting cremation. Likewise Headley Court near Leatherhead - once a rehab centre for service personnel that had lost limbs in Afhgan, became a huge field hospital. It had been sold to a private concern, but Covid saw the new owners "lend" the facility back, and 3 large cold stores were installed to store the dead. Sounds like a film plot, but alas, not. My neighbour 2 doors down is an anaesthetist at St. Peters hospital in Chertsey, a big Russian guy, probably 6'4" and 18 stone - lovely fella but built like a tank. He caught it, and he nearly died. 3 weeks in ICU. Only recently gone back to work, months later. I will do what I can to stay safe. I wear a mask when I am required too, coz anything is better than nothing. I socially distance where possible, and I respect other peoples space. I worked out a long time ago that f**kwits often get away lightly, whilst decent people suffer - that's life unfortunately. It has made me realise, more than ever, how arrogant we are as a race - probably why we had such an Empire at one time - and until the bottom feeders can take responsibility and act properly, the fridges in Surrey will keep filling up ! Dusty
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Post by earthman on Oct 21, 2020 21:36:34 GMT 1
This is a rather long video but he covers so many things, no doubt some will pick apart anything that this Ivor Cummins guy says but how can you argue/dismiss data? He makes total sense to me.
Whatever, at the end of the day how on earth are we going to get out of this? From what I can see, we got to try/go down the Sweden route at least or stay in this cycle of lockdowns and job/business lost etc.
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Post by donkeychomp on Oct 21, 2020 21:51:01 GMT 1
If there is another lockdown like the last one please don't stock up on everything again. When the first one struck I couldn't get essentials for my mum (bed ridden, dementia etc). She likes tinned pasta and omelettes. Imagine trying to explain to someone like that why she can't have the food she wants. Not to mention the lack of paracetemol, baby wipes and toilet paper.
Just buy what you need like you usually do and they'll be plenty for everyone.
Alex
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