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Post by earthman on Oct 21, 2020 22:20:02 GMT 1
Don't you all find it unbelievable that they are going to send seniors with covid back to care homes again.  Apart from intentionally bumping more of them off/increasing the death figures, what other reason is there? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 5:28:42 GMT 1
"Are you 100% sure that COVID has actually killed that many people in the first place? Sorry but I like many others think that the real number is much lower than that because the way they have been counting/reporting these death figures in the first place,....why say 'died with' rather than 'died of' for example? The majority of people who have died have been in their 80's and already had one or two serious health conditions,.....it's that what actually killed them, not covid19!"
I totally agree with what this guy on the other side of the world to me says/asks, give us the figures of how many people recover from it etc.
Are you sure there aren't?
Is your last guy a medical expert, actually no, he’s a chemical engineer, my sources come from credible medical publications not from a far flung YouTube channel
The death rate may be even higher than has been reported as more available testing is now being enabled in the poorer countries of the world
You can back your far fetched individuals, I’ll back the medical science
Stay well my friend, and yes I do mean that
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2020 7:19:01 GMT 1
According to today’s news Sweden’s infection rate has gone up by 173% in the last month quoted from Times Magazine
Their death rate is 10 times greater than Neighbouring Norway or Denmark
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Post by steve h on Oct 22, 2020 12:18:10 GMT 1
If there is another lockdown like the last one please don't stock up on everything again. When the first one struck I couldn't get essentials for my mum (bed ridden, dementia etc). She likes tinned pasta and omelettes. Imagine trying to explain to someone like that why she can't have the food she wants. Not to mention the lack of paracetemol, baby wipes and toilet paper. Just buy what you need like you usually do and they'll be plenty for everyone. Alex Saddly Alex.... No one gives a flying one about you or your mum. The antics at the start of this political brinksmanship shite slinging contest proved that. But amongst that sea of shit there are diamonds. I hope your mum does'nt have to go through it all over again.... but she does have a diamond....You. |
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Post by earthman on Oct 22, 2020 19:58:49 GMT 1
"Are you 100% sure that COVID has actually killed that many people in the first place? Sorry but I like many others think that the real number is much lower than that because the way they have been counting/reporting these death figures in the first place,....why say 'died with' rather than 'died of' for example? The majority of people who have died have been in their 80's and already had one or two serious health conditions,.....it's that what actually killed them, not covid19!" I totally agree with what this guy on the other side of the world to me says/asks, give us the figures of how many people recover from it etc. Are you sure there aren't? Is your last guy a medical expert, actually no, he’s a chemical engineer, my sources come from credible medical publications not from a far flung YouTube channel The death rate may be even higher than has been reported as more available testing is now being enabled in the poorer countries of the world You can back your far fetched individuals, I’ll back the medical science Stay well my friend, and yes I do mean that Did you even watch/listen to that video? Yeah he's a chemical engineer but there's a raft of professional medical people who have the same view, a nobel prize winning one at that. These are far from being far fetched individuals I feel! Why are these people being censored in the first place? Why were doctors being told to put 'covid' on all deaths? I personally know of two cases of this, a suicide and heart disease. I also know of 3 people who didn't even get to the drive in test centre to take the covid test but all 3 then got a text to say that they were postive! Sorry but if none of this makes you at all suspicious or question things, I can only conclude that you have indeed been brainwashed by the government/main media. This were posted 7 years ago so no connection at all with this current virus,....sure looks like they have used these techniques now though.  orderoftruth.wordpress.com/2013/06/12/mi5-mi6-cia-kgb-mass-mind-control/ |
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Post by earthman on Oct 22, 2020 20:09:00 GMT 1
If there is another lockdown like the last one please don't stock up on everything again. When the first one struck I couldn't get essentials for my mum (bed ridden, dementia etc). She likes tinned pasta and omelettes. Imagine trying to explain to someone like that why she can't have the food she wants. Not to mention the lack of paracetemol, baby wipes and toilet paper. Just buy what you need like you usually do and they'll be plenty for everyone. Alex Saddly Alex.... No one gives a flying one about you or your mum. The antics at the start of this political brinksmanship shite slinging contest proved that. But amongst that sea of shit there are diamonds. I hope your mum does'nt have to go through it all over again.... but she does have a diamond....You. I agree. I suggest that Alex should try and stock up with stuff now, yes I understand that takes money and space etc but realistically that's all you/we can do. To think that for many years these 'preppers' were laughed at, how that changed when the shelves were emptied earlier this year. I really hope I'm wrong with this but maybe one day we won't all still be laughing at the 'conspiracy theorists' either.  |
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Post by chrisg on Oct 22, 2020 20:42:56 GMT 1
I notice that Boris has agreed for city's in tier 2 to have extra finance, WTF, errrr now London is in Tier 2. Manchester has been in tier 2 for 3 months. London-centric or what?  |
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Post by donkeychomp on Oct 22, 2020 21:31:51 GMT 1
If there is another lockdown like the last one please don't stock up on everything again. When the first one struck I couldn't get essentials for my mum (bed ridden, dementia etc). She likes tinned pasta and omelettes. Imagine trying to explain to someone like that why she can't have the food she wants. Not to mention the lack of paracetemol, baby wipes and toilet paper. Just buy what you need like you usually do and they'll be plenty for everyone. Alex Saddly Alex.... No one gives a flying one about you or your mum. The antics at the start of this political brinksmanship shite slinging contest proved that. But amongst that sea of shit there are diamonds. I hope your mum does'nt have to go through it all over again.... but she does have a diamond....You. Thanks Steve. It means a lot. And no I won't be resorting to herd mentality and start emptying shelves when I know there are plenty of other people out there who will need the same things my mum needs. Last time a group of us ended up doing trades...swap you a loo roll for some spuds, that kind of thing. Worked out quite well. Alex |
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Post by earthman on Oct 22, 2020 21:34:25 GMT 1
According to today’s news Sweden’s infection rate has gone up by 173% in the last month quoted from Times Magazine Their death rate is 10 times greater than Neighbouring Norway or Denmark Well that's funny, this were posted today, zero deaths in Sweden is quoted here. |
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Post by earthman on Oct 22, 2020 21:40:36 GMT 1
Saddly Alex.... No one gives a flying one about you or your mum. The antics at the start of this political brinksmanship shite slinging contest proved that. But amongst that sea of shit there are diamonds. I hope your mum does'nt have to go through it all over again.... but she does have a diamond....You. Last time a group of us ended up doing trades...swap you a loo roll for some spuds, that kind of thing. Worked out quite well. Alex That's what we all need to get back to in my opinion, look after/help out within your own community basically.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 2:19:29 GMT 1
Sorry earthman I’m not brainwashed
Perhaps you are
If you think that the virus doesn’t exist, do you really think that all of the governments of all the countries around the world have collaborated to fabricate a fake viral pandemic and that the figures of people contracting and/or dying of the virus are a fallacy and made up?
Come on get real
If you believe in an astonishingly complex conspiracy. It would involve a secret deal between Donald Trump and Xi Jinping and dozens of other political leaders on every habitable continent — people who haven’t managed to coordinate their plans on lots of other important matters, like climate change. It would involve doctors in Geneva at the World Health Organization, in Atlanta at the C.D.C. and in hospitals all around the world conspiring with data scientists at Johns Hopkins to produce a fantastic flow of fake information. Or, if you think that everything those politicians and scientists and health workers appear to be saying is itself made up, it would require an even more amazing capacity on someone’s part to control the media and the internet. And what possible purpose could it serve? You might as well propose that we are all living in the Matrix — though if we are, it isn’t just the pandemic that’s imaginary.
Do you really think that is possible?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 6:50:51 GMT 1
And now back on topic
Rossi is still out of the race
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Post by chrisg on Oct 23, 2020 10:11:21 GMT 1
And now back on topic Rossi is still out of the race Is this the new oil debate 😷 |
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Post by Gunny on Oct 23, 2020 10:37:38 GMT 1
This is like Facebook, people sharing videos from Youtube with nobody relevant in them desperate to force their opinion on you, begging for you to believe what they are saying.
WHile us "sheep" wear a mask for the 5 minutes while we are in the shops and wash our hands while never trying to push the opposite side of the story on anyone.
Know someone just like this, sharing all the shite videos, "im not wearing a mask" "Bill gates is trying to control the world with vaccines" "They are trying to depopulate" new world order fall of the cabal blah blah blah
Hes now got Covid and hes deactivated his Facebook account.
We`ve all got opinions, i dont share 20 videos trying to push mine onto people.
Hopefully Rossis back next week, pity Lorenzo couldn`t have wild carded, been a great season
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 23, 2020 11:17:22 GMT 1
Mr Gunn
That has gave me the best laugh all morning 😂
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Post by steve h on Oct 23, 2020 12:30:25 GMT 1
Looks like Dovi isn't going to stick one up Ducati. I hope Alex can stick one up Honda. To be sacked before a race is.. well..... Looks like he's up to speed now (fingers crossed) Go Alex!!!!  Wonder why Lorenzo cant sub for Rossi? Covid bubble and all that balls? |
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Post by Gunny on Oct 23, 2020 13:33:01 GMT 1
Mr Gunn That has gave me the best laugh all morning 😂 Steve We aim to please Mr McShane (true story) |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2020 14:00:43 GMT 1
Yes, you’d wonder why Lorenzo hasn’t been given a ride
I’d love to see him back on a racetrack
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Post by veg on Oct 23, 2020 14:13:22 GMT 1
Yes, you’d wonder why Lorenzo hasn’t been given a ride I’d love to see him back on a racetrack Howard I think we all know why Jorge is not back on the Yamaha. Can’t find the link but I heard that Honda in a fit of pique post him resigning then signing for Yamaha had him offed then realised that it would be traced back to them so the replicant version as developed by HRC (Honda Replicant continuation) was launched upon the world. The way to tell is he smiles, he’s not very fast and hates chupa chups. |
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Post by steve h on Oct 23, 2020 17:22:50 GMT 1
Yes, you’d wonder why Lorenzo hasn’t been given a ride I’d love to see him back on a racetrack Howard I think we all know why Jorge is not back on the Yamaha. Can’t find the link but I heard that Honda in a fit of pique post him resigning then signing for Yamaha had him offed then realised that it would be traced back to them so the replicant version as developed by HRC (Honda Replicant continuation) was launched upon the world. The way to tell is he smiles, he’s not very fast and hates chupa chups. Nonsense... There has been panic buying of Chuppa Chup lollies, so Jorge is screwed... |
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Post by earthman on Oct 23, 2020 22:10:27 GMT 1
Sorry earthman I’m not brainwashed Perhaps you are If you think that the virus doesn’t exist, do you really think that all of the governments of all the countries around the world have collaborated to fabricate a fake viral pandemic and that the figures of people contracting and/or dying of the virus are a fallacy and made up? Come on get real If you believe in an astonishingly complex conspiracy. It would involve a secret deal between Donald Trump and Xi Jinping and dozens of other political leaders on every habitable continent — people who haven’t managed to coordinate their plans on lots of other important matters, like climate change. It would involve doctors in Geneva at the World Health Organization, in Atlanta at the C.D.C. and in hospitals all around the world conspiring with data scientists at Johns Hopkins to produce a fantastic flow of fake information. Or, if you think that everything those politicians and scientists and health workers appear to be saying is itself made up, it would require an even more amazing capacity on someone’s part to control the media and the internet. And what possible purpose could it serve? You might as well propose that we are all living in the Matrix — though if we are, it isn’t just the pandemic that’s imaginary. Do you really think that is possible? I never said that a virus doesn't exists but I do believe that they are using it to push through an agenda, one that so many countries have actually signed up to a long time ago now,......watch the video below, how can you argue with this when all these leaders are on camera, openly talk about it for crying out loud! |
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Post by earthman on Oct 23, 2020 22:14:29 GMT 1
More facts/figures/graphs that there is no justification for a lockdown now,.......this covid virus is no great plague, just look at the flu levels of previous years!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 5:24:00 GMT 1
Again you have someone spreading half truths to the situation we have now,Spios Skouras is another one of them
It’s very easy to tack on these small bits of information and make people believe its actual happening, it’s a conspiracy theory again
The idea of the forum where Bill Gates etc was present was to see if , in the case of a pandemic, how the world’s leaders could react to stop its spread
Covid vs the flu, of course older people died, they are much more frail than younger people, ethical decisions were made in for example Ireland and Italy rightly or wrongly, not to treat the old and infirmed, some still survived, the vast majority didn’t, however thousands of cases were still happening across the world and still do everyday, 72000 in America yesterday we are told
The reason the flu hasn’t been much of a threat YET is the reduced movement of people around the world, the flu is still out there and is in all probability going to raise its head sometime in the northern hemisphere’s winter, it may not either
When you can start bringing CREDIBLE evidence from medical research instead of these puppets you present to us then maybe we all may listen, I don’t need to listen to YouTube videos, I just search the name of the person making them and can see what they are trying to do
We have a very infamous chef in Australia who is sprouting out half truths about Covid, he was talking to his audience about the micro chipping of pets so if they got lost and were picked up and taken to a vet the pet could be reunited with its owners, he said “ It’s happening right in front of us, they are micro chipping pets, it’s not under cover it’s there it’s real, they’ll do that to us with vaccines”
This is the sort of nonsense that activists, conspiracy theorists, left and right field groups sprout to scare you, I think you’re scared of the science, you don’t need to be, there are billions of us that aren’t
It wasn’t until the internet was developed that these people were able to find a voice and an audience to speak to, compare the numbers of people who believe in the medicine and the science compared to those that don’t, I can assure you that there will be a huge gap in the numbers
If you agree that the virus exists, then why is it that you disagree with the methods to control it, given the human race has very little response to be able to recover from it
You haven’t explained how NZ or 3/4 of Australia or the Pacific Island nations have managed to eliminate Covid, you keep trotting out people that are known to be activists, I see no medical information from them or you
Until you come up with a credible source then I’m sorry you’re banging your head against a brick wall whilst been led down the garden path to some sort of Utopian place, you say lots of doctors around the world agree with the conspiracy theories, you haven’t named one, you haven’t told us how many of them there are and you haven’t compared their numbers to the numbers of those doctors that agree that there is a pandemic that needs to be controlled for the sake of humankind
It’s people like the ones you spout out that are the danger, remember Charles Manson, The Moonies, The Orange People and all the other doomsday cults that have destroyed people’s lives, I think your loonies are leading you down the wrong path
Start reading or viewing the credible sources and maybe you’ll get somewhere, again do you really think that all of the governments of all of the countries around the world are collaborating against us and that all of the doctors and nurses and medical mathematicians and scientists are all somehow under the control of a cabal
Sorry pal I think not, but you keep on going, not wearing your mask, not socially isolating, travelling around the countryside of whatever part of the world you’re in spreading your thoughts and the virus and feel justified in doing so
I believe in the science and the medical advice, I’ve seen it work first hand in my not so little part of the world called Western Australia, we have had no community transmission for over 6 months now, why because we locked down, isolated, restricted travel, kept social distancing, closed down large gatherings of people, tested people for the virus and we eliminated it.
If in your part of the world you have done that, well and good, if not well good luck to you, you’ll need it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2020 7:14:05 GMT 1
And now back on more or less topic
Who’s going to win the race tonight
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Post by veg on Oct 24, 2020 8:45:55 GMT 1
Definitely not Pete Evans 😁
Be to hard to call until post qualifying. I really want to see another winner maybe Alex Marquez?
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Post by earthman on Oct 24, 2020 9:38:26 GMT 1
Again you have someone spreading half truths to the situation we have now,Spios Skouras is another one of them It’s very easy to tack on these small bits of information and make people believe its actual happening, it’s a conspiracy theory again The idea of the forum where Bill Gates etc was present was to see if , in the case of a pandemic, how the world’s leaders could react to stop its spread Covid vs the flu, of course older people died, they are much more frail than younger people, ethical decisions were made in for example Ireland and Italy rightly or wrongly, not to treat the old and infirmed, some still survived, the vast majority didn’t, however thousands of cases were still happening across the world and still do everyday, 72000 in America yesterday we are told The reason the flu hasn’t been much of a threat YET is the reduced movement of people around the world, the flu is still out there and is in all probability going to raise its head sometime in the northern hemisphere’s winter, it may not either When you can start bringing CREDIBLE evidence from medical research instead of these puppets you present to us then maybe we all may listen, I don’t need to listen to YouTube videos, I just search the name of the person making them and can see what they are trying to do We have a very infamous chef in Australia who is sprouting out half truths about Covid, he was talking to his audience about the micro chipping of pets so if they got lost and were picked up and taken to a vet the pet could be reunited with its owners, he said “ It’s happening right in front of us, they are micro chipping pets, it’s not under cover it’s there it’s real, they’ll do that to us with vaccines” This is the sort of nonsense that activists, conspiracy theorists, left and right field groups sprout to scare you, I think you’re scared of the science, you don’t need to be, there are billions of us that aren’t It wasn’t until the internet was developed that these people were able to find a voice and an audience to speak to, compare the numbers of people who believe in the medicine and the science compared to those that don’t, I can assure you that there will be a huge gap in the numbers If you agree that the virus exists, then why is it that you disagree with the methods to control it, given the human race has very little response to be able to recover from it You haven’t explained how NZ or 3/4 of Australia or the Pacific Island nations have managed to eliminate Covid, you keep trotting out people that are known to be activists, I see no medical information from them or you Until you come up with a credible source then I’m sorry you’re banging your head against a brick wall whilst been led down the garden path to some sort of Utopian place, you say lots of doctors around the world agree with the conspiracy theories, you haven’t named one, you haven’t told us how many of them there are and you haven’t compared their numbers to the numbers of those doctors that agree that there is a pandemic that needs to be controlled for the sake of humankind It’s people like the ones you spout out that are the danger, remember Charles Manson, The Moonies, The Orange People and all the other doomsday cults that have destroyed people’s lives, I think your loonies are leading you down the wrong path Start reading or viewing the credible sources and maybe you’ll get somewhere, again do you really think that all of the governments of all of the countries around the world are collaborating against us and that all of the doctors and nurses and medical mathematicians and scientists are all somehow under the control of a cabal Sorry pal I think not, but you keep on going, not wearing your mask, not socially isolating, travelling around the countryside of whatever part of the world you’re in spreading your thoughts and the virus and feel justified in doing so I believe in the science and the medical advice, I’ve seen it work first hand in my not so little part of the world called Western Australia, we have had no community transmission for over 6 months now, why because we locked down, isolated, restricted travel, kept social distancing, closed down large gatherings of people, tested people for the virus and we eliminated it. If in your part of the world you have done that, well and good, if not well good luck to you, you’ll need it You don't even watch or listen properly to those videos do you? The names of those doctors/scientists are listed in them! You want to discredit all of them, funny that, especially when even some of them who you worship have proved to have a dubious past shall we say. I sure would like to know why Sweden for example didn't go down the same route as Europe but are doing better. |
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Post by earthman on Oct 24, 2020 9:41:46 GMT 1
And now back on more or less topic Who’s going to win the race tonight No, let's stay on track, you try asking Veg to spill the beans on why cops can mingle with the public when they could be positive? What's your answer to that then? |
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Post by veg on Oct 24, 2020 10:17:54 GMT 1
I will tell you what I believe to be the answer shall I , this is a guess because I’m ex/retired/former no longer in possession of a warrant card therefore not subject to the inner secrets. Because this government and the Tory one before it decimated police numbers we were border line on what we could deal with before that, not having sufficient numbers then they decide to get rid of and not replace 30’000 officers that was effectively 1/4 of all officers not replaced. That means that they cannot afford to have officers off I’ll above the normal 2%.
You want to piss and moan about something piss and moan about that, that’s real. You want something else to piss and moan about that’s reall not made up, poverty in the Uk, childhood poverty numbers are going through the roof fact not some crack pot ideology stirred up by nutters wanting attention.
Homeless figures going through the roof, food bank usage at all time high, with some sectors of society reliant on the charity of others, not state welfare or handouts but on fellow man understanding that others are far less fortunate than themselves.
That’s what makes me angry real factual evidential power imbalance that really actually adversely effects peoples lives.
Nothing nowt nadda niet you’ve shown is evidentially provable, they take snippets of this and off cuts of that through it together and wallah finest snake oil.
They are peddling dangerous lies, half truths and fairy stories.
Unfortunately those that buy into it aren’t insightful aren’t receptive aren’t empowered they are the opposite, grasping around to find a narrative that fits with their own warped sense of self. Unfortunately the internet gives them that forum that ability to be more than one person sat at the bar mumbling half truths it means they have the ability to meet to have a positive affirmation that they are right and it’s everyone else that’s wrong.
That’s fine everybody has their own belief structures and thoughts, but when they insist they’re right against all the conceivable evidence that for me is troubling.
The title of this thread relates to Valentino Rossi’s inability to compete due to Covid and the adverse effects on moto gp.
I wish him well and I shall now go and watch qualifying.
Whatever your beliefs look after you and those you love. 👍
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 24, 2020 11:39:39 GMT 1
Scientists will always "argue" for or against a theory. It's their job to either prove or disprove something
People say the lockdown/restrictions/face masks etc don't work and pubs/hospitality/meeting indoors aren't causing the problem
Now being in Central Scotland I'm under the extra restrictions that have been here for about 3 weeks now
The rest of Scotland is on the no mixing indoors/hospitality restrictions
Now given that not everyone is sticking to the rules and only half the country have no pubs open these are the results
This week's week on week increase was 7%
The week before was near 30%
The week before restrictions started was over 50%
If the restrictions aren't reducing the infection rate then what is
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Post by steve h on Oct 24, 2020 12:42:03 GMT 1
If we had a proper socialist government we could use the money that is put into the civil service pension schemes (that is paid for by the taxpayer) and use it for the better of the whole country e.g. policing and nursing ect. Oh dont worry, they'll still get a state pension, just the same as you and I get (providing you've paid your stamps). And their final salary pensions are a f**king insult to the rest of us. If you want extra pension (if you think you'll live long enough for the gamble to pay off) then put into it yourself.
Yours, C Smith.
Right... back to the brew cabin for me... It might be full coughing, sweating lags.. but no one is stopping me having a sly cup of tea....f**k yall
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Apart from intentionally bumping more of them off/increasing the death figures, what other reason is there?
Wonder why Lorenzo cant sub for Rossi? Covid bubble and all that balls?