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Post by dusty350 on Aug 2, 2017 20:47:21 GMT 1
There is a Ford garage up the road from me, and the orange ST's always stand out in a sea of cars. I really like the green they use too, but felt the orange was a bit more "Yamaha", thanks to those early, 70's 350's. I think the decals will make or break it. We discussed schemes for the decals and I feel Mark will know just what to do. The shape of the decals will be the same as my Lc, but black instead of red with a white border strip; 20170402_114916 by David Miller, on Flickr Dusty
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Post by dono on Aug 2, 2017 22:21:39 GMT 1
There is a Ford garage up the road from me, and the orange ST's always stand out in a sea of cars. I really like the green they use too, but felt the orange was a bit more "Yamaha", thanks to those early, 70's 350's. I think the decals will make or break it. We discussed schemes for the decals and I feel Mark will know just what to do. The shape of the decals will be the same as my Lc, but black instead of red with a white border strip; 20170402_114916 by David Miller, on Flickr Dusty Looks lovely that dusty :-) i bet the orange stands out proper in the sun, it's always hard getting pictures to do colors like that Justice. I pick up my pipes tomorrow from ceramcoat in Warrington, decided to go with clear ceramic coat to keep the raw look, so fingers crossed they look good. Next job is taking out the stator as battery isn't charging. I'll post some picks of the pipes.. cheers Mark
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 3, 2017 7:30:10 GMT 1
Hi Mark Would be good to see your progress Before you remove the stator, check your battery is ok, plus all loom connections and regulator rectifier. I'm no electrical expert but there are lots of guides on Google. Easier to check initially with the engine complete. The wiring is the first place I would look. Plus there are members on here that are great with electrics. Post a question and I'm sure you'll get help. As for the paintwork, it is a bit of a gamble as I haven't seen another Lc with that colour and decal mix Good luck, and hope you are well Regards Dusty
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Post by fozzy17 on Aug 3, 2017 10:13:17 GMT 1
dusty you collecting all the hybrids in the uk?
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 3, 2017 11:33:42 GMT 1
Haha I wish ! Only got 2 at the moment, having sold the third to Dono on here. I'd never sell any of them if it wasn't for time/space/money ! I've got someone I know who is desperate for the Lc hybrid but it's staying (at the moment ) Dusty
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Post by Tobyjugs on Aug 3, 2017 16:33:24 GMT 1
That red and white bike is nice Dusty
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Post by dono on Aug 3, 2017 18:50:20 GMT 1
Hi Mark Would be good to see your progress Before you remove the stator, check your battery is ok, plus all loom connections and regulator rectifier. I'm no electrical expert but there are lots of guides on Google. Easier to check initially with the engine complete. The wiring is the first place I would look. Plus there are members on here that are great with electrics. Post a question and I'm sure you'll get help. As for the paintwork, it is a bit of a gamble as I haven't seen another Lc with that colour and decal mix Good luck, and hope you are well Regards Dusty Hi Dusty, Your right to advise caution changing the stator, I had looked at previous posts and also the Haynes manual for how to test the stator for resistance and voltage, I did this with my old multi meter which was quite a cheep one and the figures were out of spec. Bought a new big boys multimeter which arrived today, measured the resistance and it was .4 on all three phases which is fine.. not checked the volt,age yet as need to put pipes back on to do that( don't want to upset neighbors).. I've taken a pick of the pipes as I picked them up from Ceramcoat they have a high temp clear coat on them, it's changed the color a little due to taking them up to 220deg before coating. Still recovering great thanks Dusty, just got my ppl re validated which is a huge thing, had to have a 2hour flight test with chief instructor. Which was stressful but was super chuffed to pass :-) I'll take a pic with them on the bike and make a post.. Cheers Dono
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 3, 2017 20:13:53 GMT 1
Hi Mark Great to hear things are going good for you I think the pipes look fantastic with the clear coating. I quite like the fact they are a bit darker. Be good to see them on the bike. Another part I will be changing on this build will be the rear brake. It's a standard Rgv set up at the mo, but I wanted to replicate the Tyga/Brembo combo I have on the Lc, so I bought a Tyga carrier from Martin at MBD; 20170802_143414 by David Miller, on Flickr Only problem is Martin can't source the correct Brembo caliper - a P2, and it seems Brembo are a nightmare to deal with. So I will have to try and find one somewhere. Dusty
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Post by dono on Aug 3, 2017 22:29:55 GMT 1
Hi Mark Great to hear things are going good for you I think the pipes look fantastic with the clear coating. I quite like the fact they are a bit darker. Be good to see them on the bike. Another part I will be changing on this build will be the rear brake. It's a standard Rgv set up at the mo, but I wanted to replicate the Tyga/Brembo combo I have on the Lc, so I bought a Tyga carrier from Martin at MBD; 20170802_143414 by David Miller, on Flickr Only problem is Martin can't source the correct Brembo caliper - a P2, and it seems Brembo are a nightmare to deal with. So I will have to try and find one somewhere. Dusty Hi Dusty, Thought I was being clever tonight and my plan was to set the power valve up exactly lining it up with the exhaust ports, easy to do with the pipes off. The pants thing is the two valves don't match up , as you line one up perfectly the other one is at least 3mm out, I thought they were down pinned together so miss alignment wasn't possible? I've set it up with a compromise, but the OCD in me will mean me stripping it at some point to match it, I may try loosening the middle clamp to see if they move Independently.. got the pipes on, I'm not sure about them at all, what do you think? Pic below. The great news of tonight's tinkering is that the stator checks out 100% in spec for both resistance and ac voltage over the three phases.. so the issue should end up being the rectifier regulator, which is an easy job :-) battery appears to be ok and I've cleaned the connectors up so it's not that . That bracket you've bought there looks sweet. Hope you source the caliper easily . Cheers mark
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Post by veg on Aug 3, 2017 22:46:45 GMT 1
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Post by Tobyjugs on Aug 3, 2017 23:57:40 GMT 1
The pipes look great just like the real thing. If you regularly oil steel pipes and use them hard they also go that colour but it takes a lot of maintenance to stop them rusting. I love it
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 4, 2017 6:58:00 GMT 1
Hi Yeah, I like the pipes too. It's a good move to get them coated - keeping bare steel free of corrosion is a constant job and easily neglected. Cheers Veg. Martin did offer up a small AP caliper to the bracket but that wouldn't fit due to the caliper offset. Bolt hole centres are 84mm on the Tyga carrier. There is more than one type of P2 apparently and Ebay shows some but are in Japan - don't want to risk the wrong one arriving ! Dusty
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Post by Tobyjugs on Aug 4, 2017 7:18:23 GMT 1
Hi Dusty I had the same problem when I had to source a rear Brembo I googled it and went to images until I found the correct one my calliper was the same as what is used on a monster so was relatively easy to source Another problem I found is that Brembo don't make any repair kits. Because of this I'd rather have another make if I made another hybrid
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Post by Tobyjugs on Aug 4, 2017 7:22:23 GMT 1
Hi Dusty I had the same problem when I had to source a rear Brembo I googled it and went to images until I found the correct one my calliper was the same as what is used on a monster so was relatively easy to source Another problem I found is that Brembo don't make any repair kits. Because of this I'd rather have another make if I made another hybrid
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 4, 2017 7:39:21 GMT 1
I've only ever seen the Tyga carrier with the Brembo P2 fitted, so don't know what else would fit. It's the offset I need to consider as well as the bolt spacing. A bit disappointing that a company as big as Brembo seem so difficult to deal with, and don't offer spares !! I've got a bit of time, but wont fit the carrier unless I can source the caliper. Dusty
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Post by mouse on Aug 4, 2017 8:52:17 GMT 1
Hi Dusty, you would be welcome to come and check the tyga bracket against my Monster's rear caliper to see if it is the right caliper. You just need to move a few things to get to it! Carpet tiles look excellent, might get some myself
Mouse
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 6, 2017 10:03:28 GMT 1
Hi Andrew I will pop over in the week and I will bring the carrier with me - I think Tobyjugs may be onto something Today I will be tackling one of life's mysteries - not the "chicken or egg" conundrum, not the "existence of the Holy Grail", but the baffling question facing hybrid builders of "where do I site the leccy boxes on an Lc/Ypvs build" !! I know there are lots of hybrids out there, and probably no one singular way of doing it. The last hybrid Lc/pv I built some time back ran filters, so I had made a plate to mount everything on where the filter box would sit. Everything worked fine with no problems. This bike was originally going to be the same set up - I made another plate and fitted the pv controller and Cdi; 20170803_193850 by David Miller, on Flickr Pros - boxes are roughly where they would be on a pv frame, so the pv loom I am using all matches up with minimal fuss Cons - if you want to use an airbox - as I now do - the airbox needs to go here. So they need to go somewhere else. The F2 Cdi mounting holes are further apart than an Lc's, so to put the Cdi in the same place on the bottom of the inner mudguard would mean drilling new holes or making an adapter plate. Not the easiest place to get too either, and I feel it's just not the ideal place for it. I know if I got a combined Zeel box I could lose the standard pv controller which would help, but I'm going with standard at the mo so that doesn't help. I have seen a metal plate mounted where the oil tank would go. Bike was running premix so no tank needed, so plenty of room to mount the boxes on the right side. I'm running premix on this bike initially, but like to keep the oil tank fitted as I draw oil from it with a syringe at fill up time, so cant do away with the tank. My ideal would be to keep the boxes near the engine for the loom connections, but after looking at various options, the tail section looks like it is gonna house the Cdi and Pv controller, and the reg/rectifier is going to go where the Lc items mounts, just behind the battery box. This will mean extending the loom to reach the back of the bike, which is what I wanted to avoid as electrics aren't my favourite job ! There are always compromises building specials of course, and I think this option is the way to go. Next issue is lack of space in the tail, coz I wanted to recess my rear light; 20170803_193259 by David Miller, on Flickr So I have ended up with less room than standard ! The good thing is that I have used one of OEB's brackets which will offer a strong point to maybe mount a bracket to. I have a plan, wish me luck, I'm going in ...... Dusty
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Post by dono on Aug 6, 2017 23:46:54 GMT 1
Hi Andrew I will pop over in the week and I will bring the carrier with me - I think Tobyjugs may be onto something Today I will be tackling one of life's mysteries - not the "chicken or egg" conundrum, not the "existence of the Holy Grail", but the baffling question facing hybrid builders of "where do I site the leccy boxes on an Lc/Ypvs build" !! I know there are lots of hybrids out there, and probably no one singular way of doing it. The last hybrid Lc/pv I built some time back ran filters, so I had made a plate to mount everything on where the filter box would sit. Everything worked fine with no problems. This bike was originally going to be the same set up - I made another plate and fitted the pv controller and Cdi; 20170803_193850 by David Miller, on Flickr Pros - boxes are roughly where they would be on a pv frame, so the pv loom I am using all matches up with minimal fuss Cons - if you want to use an airbox - as I now do - the airbox needs to go here. So they need to go somewhere else. The F2 Cdi mounting holes are further apart than an Lc's, so to put the Cdi in the same place on the bottom of the inner mudguard would mean drilling new holes or making an adapter plate. Not the easiest place to get too either, and I feel it's just not the ideal place for it. I know if I got a combined Zeel box I could lose the standard pv controller which would help, but I'm going with standard at the mo so that doesn't help. I have seen a metal plate mounted where the oil tank would go. Bike was running premix so no tank needed, so plenty of room to mount the boxes on the right side. I'm running premix on this bike initially, but like to keep the oil tank fitted as I draw oil from it with a syringe at fill up time, so cant do away with the tank. My ideal would be to keep the boxes near the engine for the loom connections, but after looking at various options, the tail section looks like it is gonna house the Cdi and Pv controller, and the reg/rectifier is going to go where the Lc items mounts, just behind the battery box. This will mean extending the loom to reach the back of the bike, which is what I wanted to avoid as electrics aren't my favourite job ! There are always compromises building specials of course, and I think this option is the way to go. Next issue is lack of space in the tail, coz I wanted to recess my rear light; 20170803_193259 by David Miller, on Flickr So I have ended up with less room than standard ! The good thing is that I have used one of OEB's brackets which will offer a strong point to maybe mount a bracket to. I have a plan, wish me luck, I'm going in ...... Dusty Hi Dusty, That rear bracket looks Brill , sounds like a good place to put the control boxes.. are those brackets still available, that would be perfect for making my tail section stiffer/ fixed.. Cheers Dono
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 7, 2017 7:16:35 GMT 1
Hi Mark Old elsie boy - oeb on this forum got them made. I know he sold out of the first batch, but there was talk of a second batch but not sure if that happened. Send him a pm and I'm sure he'll let you know. They are great - very strong, simple to fit too. On my Lc, I had to make my own as oeb had sold out. 2 "L" brackets from my local builders merchant did the job, total cost 50p; 20161218_145243 by David Miller, on Flickr 20161218_154749 by David Miller, on Flickr 20161218_155014 by David Miller, on Flickr I put some rubber under the brackets to absorb vibes and it's job done. Wouldn't be as easy to fit the leccy boxes in there if you use this method though, but if you just want to recess your rear light, the "L" brackets work a treat and are really strong. Dusty
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Post by dono on Aug 7, 2017 13:02:12 GMT 1
Hi Dusty, thanks for that, I'll send him a pm and if he didn't get a second batch made I'll go to B&Q and see if I can replicate your brackets .. Thanks for your help.. Cheers Mark
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 7, 2017 16:55:45 GMT 1
Hi Nigel's bracket is well worth the money - it comes with a number plate bracket too and there is adjustment available on it all. I would thoroughly recommend getting one if he has them. If not, then the "L" bracket is a simple fix which will easily do the job of recessing the light. Dusty
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 7, 2017 20:35:17 GMT 1
So, after a long look at the bike to make sure there was no better alternative, I decided to make up a plate to mount the Cdi and Pv controller in the tail piece. The mount consists of a flat piece of steel and 2 short bits of ally angle from the builders merchant. Having the steel rear light mount meant I had something solid to mount the bracket to; 20170806_113649(0) by David Miller, on Flickr 20170806_113659 by David Miller, on Flickr I have a spare tail piece so obviously had to make sure the plate fitted inside it once the boxes were fitted; 20170806_140938 by David Miller, on Flickr I also fitted the seat without the tail cowl on the bike to make sure the seat base cleared the boxes, which it does with about an inch to spare. I drilled through the sides of the tail light bracket and bolted the new bracket to it for a really solid mount. Once I offer the loom up I will know how much I will have to alter the F2 loom. Dusty
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Post by yamark on Aug 7, 2017 20:59:19 GMT 1
Very neat Dusty. Oh, and the new floor looks fab mate.
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 8, 2017 14:31:16 GMT 1
Cheers Mark New floor makes kneeling down far more comfortable ! Got a few jobs to do on this bike so the flooring will save some pain !! Jobs I've decided to do are; 1. Alter wiring loom to match re sited boxes 2. Change instrument bracket. Got to get a spare powder coated first. 3.Fit smaller end cans - Muttsnuts is on the case 4.Light polish on the exhausts and forks 5. Refurb and fit airbox 6. Refurb 31k carbs I recently bought, including the brass balls. 7. Fit a proper horn bracket - so need to drill and tap the bottom yoke 8. Pressure test the engine and fit new Yam inlet rubbers (already ordered) 9. Fit the Tyga caliper carrier and source the correct Brembo caliper 10. Change to 2 braided lines for the front brake sytem and lose the splitter as it's very close to the rad guard 11. Sort a rear braided line and bleed all the brakes 12. Possibly change the wheels for a black pair depending on how they look when the paintwork turns up. 13. Get the Taylor leads properly crimped for the coil. Just a few jobs then !! Dusty
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 8, 2017 19:34:04 GMT 1
I can now tick off one of the jobs on the list. Refurbed - as in scrubbed clean and "re blacked" the airbox that Mouse had kindly given me a couple of months back. It was pretty good in the first place, but some liquid boot polish always brings the plastic up really nicely; 20170808_160858 by David Miller, on Flickr So, the big question - can you fit an Lc airbox with the engine in the frame ? Answer is yes, but you get more wiggle room with the reed rubbers removed; 20170808_160903 by David Miller, on Flickr And then the airbox slips in with no fuss at all; 20170808_165122 by David Miller, on Flickr 1 job down, 12 to go !! Dusty
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Post by dono on Aug 8, 2017 21:18:23 GMT 1
So, after a long look at the bike to make sure there was no better alternative, I decided to make up a plate to mount the Cdi and Pv controller in the tail piece. The mount consists of a flat piece of steel and 2 short bits of ally angle from the builders merchant. Having the steel rear light mount meant I had something solid to mount the bracket to; 20170806_113649(0) by David Miller, on Flickr 20170806_113659 by David Miller, on Flickr I have a spare tail piece so obviously had to make sure the plate fitted inside it once the boxes were fitted; 20170806_140938 by David Miller, on Flickr I also fitted the seat without the tail cowl on the bike to make sure the seat base cleared the boxes, which it does with about an inch to spare. I drilled through the sides of the tail light bracket and bolted the new bracket to it for a really solid mount. Once I offer the loom up I will know how much I will have to alter the F2 loom. Dusty Nice job, you have the patience of a saint ;-)
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 9, 2017 19:50:10 GMT 1
Cheers Mark They do get left for weeks on end but with the completion of the shed I was keen to get back on with some bike jobs Looking at the rear brake today. Thanks to the heads up from Tobyjugs regards Brembo, and their fitment to Ducati's, I found a firm on ebay with stock, and the caliper looks correct. I did pop over to Andrew's (Mouse) house as he has a Ducati 900 Monster, and I offered up the Tyga carrier and it looks correct, so when I got home, I ordered one; 20170809_165713 by David Miller, on Flickr That will hopefully be here Friday. So this afternoon's job was to fit the Tyga carrier. Happily it slid straight in with no dramas; 20170809_152829 by David Miller, on Flickr I will measure the length of the braided line on my Lc, as it has exactly the same set up, and then I can order a line for it. Dusty
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Post by Tobyjugs on Aug 9, 2017 21:32:24 GMT 1
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 10, 2017 7:29:22 GMT 1
Hi mate Thanks, yea I know they can be a "bleeding" pain !! I have the same set up on my LC hybrid; 20170810_071257 by David Miller, on Flickr Will probably bleed it with the caliper off the bike. Cheers Dusty
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 10, 2017 18:15:23 GMT 1
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