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Aug 6, 2023 9:04:45 GMT 1
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Post by headcoats on Aug 6, 2023 9:04:45 GMT 1
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 6, 2023 9:41:38 GMT 1
Happens a lot I'm afraid. Planning permission won't get approved due to it's "graded" status, so next thing is it mysteriously catches fire Happened to the Crooked Billet pub near us. Developer bought it, then couldn't get planning approved due to the fact it was listed. It then caught fire, but the Fire Service got it under control quite quickly and damage was minimal. Few months later, "they" did a better job, with multiple seats of fire and damage was structural, requiring demolition and the developer got his block of flats built. Same with the College building in out town. Listed status meant it couldn't be demolished. Then some moron in a JCB drove straight through an external wall, causing so much damage it wasn't economical to repair. Nearly 250 flats there now
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Aug 6, 2023 9:49:55 GMT 1
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Aug 6, 2023 10:29:47 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 6, 2023 10:29:47 GMT 1
Not dodgy at all .
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Aug 6, 2023 13:46:01 GMT 1
Post by steve h on Aug 6, 2023 13:46:01 GMT 1
"Listed building" means nothing to people who care nought for history and culture and see only profit. There is a local building in a similar position, it "caught" fire, and now lets the rain in through the roof..... The local history society is on the case.
Bryant and May have had many an input into listed properties i'll bet.......
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Aug 6, 2023 13:56:00 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Aug 6, 2023 13:56:00 GMT 1
Very sad end to a classic pub.
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Aug 6, 2023 22:24:16 GMT 1
Post by donkeychomp on Aug 6, 2023 22:24:16 GMT 1
Nuts to the Crooked Billet. Aged 17 I almost croaked there when some t**t drove into me. Though I do agree it's odd how they get so damaged all by accident. Look at that sodding hotel in Staines where there used to be 3 17th century buildings. Horrific.
Alex
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Aug 7, 2023 20:55:32 GMT 1
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Aug 7, 2023 21:20:35 GMT 1
Post by dusty350 on Aug 7, 2023 21:20:35 GMT 1
It would have taken ages to get a decent firefighting jet onto that fire. 40 lengths of hose equates to 1000m, or a Km, and you would need intermediate pumps in place (to boost the supply in a water relay), which would need 4 firefighters carrying portable pumps along the route to be sited. Appliances and manpower is often less at night (thank cuts to the Fire service by Government), so getting enough resources on scene to even start getting to work would have taken a long time. Plus you would have needed more than 1 jet of course. Preventing the appliances from getting close to the fire at the beginning was a guarantee that the building would be lost, and it's very hard to see that wasn't a deliberate act to hamper fire fighting
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Aug 7, 2023 21:50:59 GMT 1
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Post by headcoats on Aug 7, 2023 21:50:59 GMT 1
I think the locals and businesses need to put up a big reward to find and convict the scumbags Not going to bring it back whatever happens
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Aug 7, 2023 22:27:19 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 7, 2023 22:27:19 GMT 1
I thought it was a listed building , but apparently not.
Two weeks after sale and it's torched and bulldozed.
Nothing fishy at all .
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Aug 7, 2023 22:39:05 GMT 1
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Post by headcoats on Aug 7, 2023 22:39:05 GMT 1
Been grade 2 listed since the 60's apparently...
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Aug 7, 2023 23:46:01 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Aug 7, 2023 23:46:01 GMT 1
Lol... its Listed since the 60s, but was listing for years before that...
(I'll get me coat)
I hate the fact there is rarely a comeuppance for this sort of arson, its so obvious what has happened and now another iconic building will gone just so someone can make money. Makes me sick.
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Aug 8, 2023 0:38:40 GMT 1
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Aug 8, 2023 3:29:56 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Aug 8, 2023 3:29:56 GMT 1
Someone should be jailed for this, what the hell is going on...?
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Aug 8, 2023 8:19:38 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 8, 2023 8:19:38 GMT 1
Been grade 2 listed since the 60's apparently... I mentioned that elsewhere, and was told Birmingham mail contacted heritage England, and it wasn't . It'll all come out in the wash, but I fear it's gone forever. And anyways, even if it was listed, and eventually someone was found culpable, and told to rebuild, how the hell could it be replicated, some dodgy builders about, but pretty sure no one has experience of building such a wonky structure. Did notice the steel beams in the burnt building.
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Aug 8, 2023 18:00:31 GMT 1
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Post by headcoats on Aug 8, 2023 18:00:31 GMT 1
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 8, 2023 19:04:31 GMT 1
So it wasn't listed, but an application had been made to protect it's status just a week before the fire They wasted no time in torching it, and then when that wasn't enough, some stooge in a Jcb finished the job the fire didn't. I hope they can pin credible evidence on the guilty parties, but I wouldn't hold your breath - any proof not yet found is under a large pile of rubble now
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Aug 8, 2023 21:30:25 GMT 1
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Aug 9, 2023 15:09:23 GMT 1
Post by fletche36 on Aug 9, 2023 15:09:23 GMT 1
It would have taken ages to get a decent firefighting jet onto that fire. 40 lengths of hose equates to 1000m, or a Km, and you would need intermediate pumps in place (to boost the supply in a water relay), which would need 4 firefighters carrying portable pumps along the route to be sited. Appliances and manpower is often less at night (thank cuts to the Fire service by Government), so getting enough resources on scene to even start getting to work would have taken a long time. Plus you would have needed more than 1 jet of course. Preventing the appliances from getting close to the fire at the beginning was a guarantee that the building would be lost, and it's very hard to see that wasn't a deliberate act to hamper fire fighting Good knowledge there sir Your memory must be better than mine as i had forgot some of that.
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Aug 9, 2023 19:22:35 GMT 1
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Post by headcoats on Aug 9, 2023 19:22:35 GMT 1
Now being treated as arson No shit sherlock,how many days to figure this out Now get on with it ffs
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Aug 10, 2023 0:15:59 GMT 1
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Post by headcoats on Aug 10, 2023 0:15:59 GMT 1
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 10, 2023 7:05:16 GMT 1
Signed
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Aug 10, 2023 7:48:06 GMT 1
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Aug 10, 2023 8:04:32 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Aug 10, 2023 8:04:32 GMT 1
Now being treated as arsonNo shit sherlock,how many days to figure this out Now get on with it ffs I skim read that... and thought it said 'Treason'.... And the more I thought about it, I felt that was more like it really. This was an iconic part of the UK, you dont get to just burn and smash it up. Get the pictforks, torches and matches ready, Im joining the lynching... (only part joking)
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Aug 10, 2023 10:15:34 GMT 1
Post by dusty350 on Aug 10, 2023 10:15:34 GMT 1
Seems the JCB was rented but the rental firm didn't supply the driver/operator. So the demolition was done by persons unknow
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Aug 10, 2023 13:53:58 GMT 1
Post by JonW on Aug 10, 2023 13:53:58 GMT 1
rented means a paper trail, licences etc...
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Aug 10, 2023 15:01:32 GMT 1
Post by dusty350 on Aug 10, 2023 15:01:32 GMT 1
Copied from the "Mail Online";
The Crooked House in Himley, Staffordshire, attracted tourists from across the world and was a popular wedding venue.
Prior to its destruction, the venue was often described as Britain's wonkiest pub, sitting 4ft lower on one side than the other.
It was first built as a farmhouse in 1765, but gradually sank into the ground on one side due to subsidence from mining works carried out in the 1800s.
It was converted into a pub in around 1830 and was first known as The Siden House – 'siden' being Black Country dialect for 'crooked'.
It was later renamed the Glynne Arms after Sir Stephen Glynne, a brother-in-law of Prime Minister William Ewart Gladstone, who owned the land on which the tavern stood.
While the Glynne Arms name remained above the door into the 1970s, the pub had acquired a more affectionate nickname among locals by then - the 'Crooked House', which was later adopted as the formal moniker.
Inside, drinkers might have been convinced they had one too many before they had even sipped their first pint – because while the floors and fixtures such as the bars and seats were level, the ceilings, walls and windows were not.
A mind-boggling optical illusion known as a 'gravity hill' meant that coins and marbles appear to roll uphill when placed on slightly downhill surfaces that were sitting at a less jaunty angle than the rest of the pub.
Picture postcards of the era – a popular way for visitors to show families back home where they were visiting in the years before photography was commonplace – made much of the pub's quirks.
Many are captioned 'The Crooked House', while one even features a table of well-dressed country gentlemen marvelling at a marble appearing to roll up their table.
The pub had been threatened with closure in the 1940s after it was deemed unsafe. By this time, one side of the building had sunk a full 4ft into the ground, despite the owners installing buttresses to stop it from slipping any further.
Wolverhampton and Dudley Breweries then purchased the building, reinforcing the supports with girders, and it remained open until earlier this year when the same brewer – now known as Marston's – announced that it was closing it as part of a cost-cutting regime.
The brewing giant said it was selling off 61 locations to 'maximise returns from our core estate'.
The Crooked House went on the market in January with a guide price of £675,000 and was sold last month to ATE Farms Limited, a company controlled by Carly Taylor, 34.
Rugby Borough Council had approved a request by villagers to protect the Sarah Mansfield as 'an asset of community value' in March 2021, but an appeal then overturned the decision.
One local resident told MailOnline that the 'ruthless' businessman bought the Sarah Mansfield with 'the intention of gutting in and turning it into rental accommodation'.
The woman, who declined to be named for fear of recrimination, said: 'The new owner did just that, he bought it and in two to three days he got his team of workers in, the skips were in place, and they gutted it.
'They ripped out everything to the outrage and upset from local people - the plaster, the plumbing, the electrics, it is a shell.
'He sought planning permission to create rental rooms and claimed he would keep part of the premises as a pub but we don't think that was ever his intention.
'He wanted to cash in with rentals, and build two new houses in the car park.
'All the villagers objected, there are only around 20 of us, but the pub was the heart of our village, it was thriving and attracted outside visitors too, and he ripped that out.'
A fellow villager added: 'We know Mr Taylor by reputation and when we heard it was his new Crooked House pub bulldozed, it was a weird feeling of déjà vu.
'He comes into communities and wrecks them, with no regard to local people, and for his own profit and gain.
'The guy is absolutely minted from all his business deals, he has a crew of people running around for him 24/7 who no doubt he rewards well, but how much more money does he really need to make?
'We heard he struck lucky by selling off landfill sites he owned in the West Midlands for the HS2 scheme, and he got a small fortune from the Government venture.
'He has become a force to be reckoned with, people are scared of him and the authorities seem to bow to him. It is outrageous that one man and his wife can yield so much power.
'What he is doing to local communities, ripping down well-known pubs for development and his greed, is outrageous and the authorities should put a stop to it.
'He does whatever he wants to do and seems to get away with it. We've heard he's worth a shed load of money. He drives around in a Bentley with personalised plates.'
Drinkers at The Barn pub - two miles away from the Sarah Mansfield - where Mr Taylor was a regular until he was barred, told MailOnline the 'super rich' self-styled entrepreneur charmed everyone he met, with one adding: 'He was always as nice as pie if you treated him properly.
'Even if he doesn't know you, if you give him the time of day, he'll buy you a drink or two and seems a really nice guy. He's been lucky in a lot of places with business.
'He'd often drink in his local pub. His wife would drive him here in the Bentley, leave him for a while, and then pick him up. She would never come in with him.'
They added that he would never leave a tab and 'paid everything upfront in cash'.
A regular at the pub said: 'He has been barred from this place.
'He would always turn up with an entourage of people, with an "I'm better than you" attitude.
'He once told the boss that he needed to have "Belvoir Vodka or I won't come back". He was that arrogant. The boss informed him: "We don't stock that so don't come back. You're barred!"'
The Times reported today that Harborough District Council in Leicestershire last month approved the Taylors' application to build 21 holiday homes at their farm despite objections over local traffic concerns.
The Taylors have not yet commented on any matters since the fire broke out at the weekend.
The intercom went unanswered at the couple's gated home yesterday.
But a Staffordshire Police spokesman said officers had 'spoken to, and continue to engage with' the owners of the Crooked House.
He added that the force's joint investigation with Staffordshire Fire and Rescue Service had so far been unable to determine the cause of the blaze.
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Aug 10, 2023 21:06:19 GMT 1
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Aug 10, 2023 22:26:35 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 10, 2023 22:26:35 GMT 1
Intention was clear .
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