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Post by dusty350 on Mar 16, 2017 23:26:55 GMT 1
Hi Ant Thanks for the link and the kind offer of advice My mate Trev popped over for a look today and threw a few ideas into the mix ! We discussed the strips of concrete idea - if I pay for a solid slab most of the shed wont even be sat on it, so we are thinking of a solid perimeter and then strips where the bearers will sit. We are also thinking of self building, and after we had a coffee, he kindly went and priced it all up. Basically I am now considering a shed across the bottom of the garden - 24' wide and 8' deep. 3x2 cls frame work, 3x2 bearers, walls constructed from 18mm exterior ply, same for roof and floor and maybe just a decorative cladding for the front of the shed as that's the only bit you'll see. Square area is 192' - the 20x10 would be 200' so not much in it. Cost of materials would be about £1300. This would be over engineered really but I prefer that. I know you can use OSB for the roof but I would rather a better quality ply. He is a clever fella when it comes to building stuff - he built a barn in his garden and a utility room/gym that spans his and his neighbours gardens - they have 1 side, he has the other. Still haven't decided one way or the other yet. I need to finish clearing the site of the old shed, and then mark out the 20x10 longways, and the 24x8 across ways and decide which would be best, and that will then dictate what type of shed I will need, and then if I buy when or build one. Need to think about it some more !! Cheers Dusty
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Post by JonW on Mar 17, 2017 1:01:01 GMT 1
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Post by dusty350 on Mar 17, 2017 8:46:20 GMT 1
Hi Jon That's awesome , thanks for linking that ! Is it wrong that I thought most of it looked ok !! Might show my mate Trev that build so we can get some ideas and inspiration !! Dusty
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Post by iwantalc on Mar 17, 2017 17:00:22 GMT 1
hello dusty , what I'm thinking of doing is building a shed 18x10 with 4 courses of concrete blocks so from floor 3 foot of blockwork then 4x2 timber framing built on top of blockwork about 4 foot high giving me approx. 7 foot in height with 22ml featheredge cladding what they use on barns but does interlock with each other,the cladding comes in 5.4 mtr lengths at 90p a mtr so just under £5 a length each length covers 4 inches in height once locked into each other so 3 lengths to each foot high so 12 lengths either side, if I keep it to 5.4 mtrs long , have got room for bigger if I want so not quiet decided on lenght of shed yet but will keep to 10 foot wide,so hopefully if I go this route cost should be less than £850 including roof..
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Post by LC_BOTT on Mar 17, 2017 20:49:45 GMT 1
Obviously the garden dictates the size, but 8ft is only as long as a bike, so they will have to go side-ways, then you can't turn them through the doors, so need very big openings, or lots of them, but that's your choice in the end, long and wide would be better I would say.
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Post by yamrider on Mar 17, 2017 21:17:57 GMT 1
now thats what you call a cave
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Post by wassy on Mar 17, 2017 22:02:33 GMT 1
At what point does planning permission come into play.
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Post by rigga on Mar 17, 2017 22:37:47 GMT 1
At what point does planning permission come into play. Under permitted development rules, you can side step planning, roughly if its within 2 meters of the property boundry you can build to max 2.5 meters in height and no more than 50% of the sourounding area of your land can be built on, but that includes sheds deckings extensions etc, but that area includes the front so driveway can be included too.
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Post by steve h on Mar 18, 2017 0:30:07 GMT 1
I helped the old fella build a kennel/workshop block. We used Kingspan for the walls, brilliant stuff. But the miserable begger wont let me store any bikes in there, despite there being enough space left to stick 25 bikes in there.
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Post by JonW on Mar 18, 2017 1:22:35 GMT 1
Hi Jon That's awesome , thanks for linking that ! Is it wrong that I thought most of it looked ok !! Might show my mate Trev that build so we can get some ideas and inspiration !! Dusty Glad you enjoyed that, I loved it when the guy started posting about it and its run and run. Amazingly it stood up to some terrible winter storms so maybe the techniques, while weird. were ok really lol.
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Post by dusty350 on Mar 19, 2017 9:51:31 GMT 1
Hi Des Sounds like a good project you've got planned No rats getting through the blockwork, that's for sure !! I've been getting through the wood by having bonfires but with my neighbours in mind, I do limit the amount I burn and at what time of the day, so clearing the site is taking longer than I hoped. Once the site is completely clear I will decide on size and style and whether I buy one or build one. I would love 10' wide but it's gotta look ok from the house - and that will look huge, so I'm wondering whether longer, say 24'x 8' - gives 192 sq ft so 8 less than 20x10, would be better in the position it is going in. Dusty
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Post by Athers on Mar 19, 2017 11:42:28 GMT 1
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Post by LC_BOTT on Mar 19, 2017 12:58:42 GMT 1
Would siting it in the corner give more room, as you wouldn't need to come out into the garden, too far each way, although not so good if you go for a ready built option.
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Post by dusty350 on Mar 19, 2017 21:48:09 GMT 1
Cheers for the link Athers Those cabins are very much like the ones I looked at from Dunster House. It's the cost for a decent sized one that stopped me going with it in the end. I've been out in the garden virtually all day today, clearing the site. I'm about half way through at the mo. I'm steering towards longer than the last shed, but the same width so it doesn't impact on the garden too much. Maybe 20x8 or 24x8. I'm getting through the wood - it was a bit daunting at first because there is so much of it but the breeze today has kept it well fed and I feel like I'm winning !! Once it's completely clear I will peg it out and decide on the size. Dusty
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Post by Athers on Mar 20, 2017 10:52:46 GMT 1
Cheers for the link Athers Those cabins are very much like the ones I looked at from Dunster House. It's the cost for a decent sized one that stopped me going with it in the end. I've been out in the garden virtually all day today, clearing the site. I'm about half way through at the mo. I'm steering towards longer than the last shed, but the same width so it doesn't impact on the garden too much. Maybe 20x8 or 24x8. I'm getting through the wood - it was a bit daunting at first because there is so much of it but the breeze today has kept it well fed and I feel like I'm winning !! Once it's completely clear I will peg it out and decide on the size. Dusty Hi Dusty I found dunster not that helpful and restricted on size choich etc. The Quick Garden boys also do all the guttering, insulation wiring if you need it and shutter window option for security.
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Post by 4l04ever on Mar 20, 2017 11:16:34 GMT 1
Also look up marine ply, as it should be more weather resistant......
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Post by 4l04ever on Mar 20, 2017 11:40:40 GMT 1
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Post by markhoopy on Mar 20, 2017 13:19:41 GMT 1
I've been getting through the wood by having bonfires but with my neighbours in mind, I do limit the amount I burn and at what time of the day, so clearing the site is taking longer than I hoped. Save some decent lengths of 4x2 if you have any - great for making a bench with and you can use any spare plywood left over from your build to make a thick worktop by doubling it up with glue and screws.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 16:59:31 GMT 1
With regard to the concrete floor, I'd use a full reinforced concrete floor put a foundation area in first say 300mm deep and 300mm wide then lay another pad of reinforced concrete 9as per Jon) 100mm thick on top of the compacted surface inside your foundations extending it to within 100mm of the foundation edge
you then build your walls on the lower level that way your floor is 100mm higher then the ground level, you wont get water ingress that way
you can then line it & insulate it from the inside
we tend to build ours out of colorbond steel this way, yes our climate is hotter but when it rains it buckets down and we have no issues
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2017 17:01:58 GMT 1
Ive got 3 of them built this way 6m x 4m, 4.5 x 3.5m and 3m x 4.5m and still not enough bloody space
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Post by Greggers on Mar 20, 2017 17:34:05 GMT 1
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Post by dusty350 on Mar 20, 2017 20:24:21 GMT 1
Hi I've kept some decent timbers from the shed - I've got 4 roof bearers that ran the length of the shed - just over 16' long each, plus some floor bearers which are in good condition, at 8' long - all 3x2 mature beams so will be useful at some point. I've also kept some of the 8x4 18mm ply sheets from the internal lining - thought I would rip them down for the shuttering for the base. Seeing my mate Trev again on Wednesday so we'll talk some more. I want the area clear by the weekend so I can peg it out. Dusty
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Post by dusty350 on Mar 22, 2017 20:30:00 GMT 1
Hi Did a bit more this afternoon after the early rain cleared. This is the site at the mo; Been having some mega bonfires - it's like being back at work !! Most of the wood is gone now to be replaced with a large rubble pile !! You can see 3 metal posts on the fence side - they are 20" from the fence to allow access down that side, which I didn't have before. The distance between the first and third post is 20'. Still not sure on width - would love 10', which would come across to the line of the earth/grass where the old deck was. Just not sure it would look too big. Hopefully by the weekend it will be marked out properly, and then I can decide. Dusty
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Post by JonW on Mar 23, 2017 12:38:26 GMT 1
great progress!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 13:36:37 GMT 1
10' isn't all that wide
By the time you get two bikes side by side you won't have a lot of room to move past them
I'd go 12' at least or in the new language 6m x 4m
You'll be surprised at the difference
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Post by iwantalc on Mar 24, 2017 18:40:59 GMT 1
hello dusty looking at your area for a shed ,have you thought about using 10foot 4x4 fence posts concreted into the ground about 2 foot , say 6 either side spaced at 4 foot apart giving you 20 foot in length and the same method at the back and front what ever width you decide then shutter around the bottom and pour a 6 inch deep slab then you have all the uprights you need plus floor of shed then clad it a couple of inches down past the top of your base add your roof and door , with all them 4x4 uprights I should think it will be quiet a strong sturdy shed, just thinking out loud..
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Post by essexblue on Mar 28, 2017 21:59:26 GMT 1
Built my shed 3 years ago.
I used 4 inch timber fence posts corcreted into the ground then poured a 5 inch concrete base which sits approx 2 inches above the ground.
Cls timber spaced every 400mm to prevent anyone getting through the walls or door. Clad it in feather edge with every board screwed not nailed.
Best bit was the concealed door which takes a while to suss out where it is. The door is secured with a decent 5 lever lock with the key hole disguised as a wood knot.
Will put some pics up next time on my pc as photo fookit doesn't work from my iPhone
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Post by essexblue on Mar 28, 2017 22:01:33 GMT 1
Shed was 9ft by 6ft (build for my lawn mowers) and cost about £300 to build including the concrete which I mixed by hand with cement mixer
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Post by dusty350 on Mar 29, 2017 21:15:34 GMT 1
Hi Site is clear now - more or less level, and ready for shuttering 20170326_185623 by David Miller, on Flickr You can see bricks along the fence side - these will be laid down as a path on that side so I can access that side of the shed, plus I found burrows from next door coming under the gravel boards, so the bricks will stop that hopefully. The wooden pegs are marking out 20 x 8 but I'm now pretty sure I am gonna buy an 18 x 10 shed. The 8' option is narrow, and I would really appreciate the extra width. Trev is coming over next Wednesday and we are going to build the shuttering which will be divided into 3 bays for ease of filling with concrete, but ultimately we will end up with one large slab, slightly bigger than the shed base. I hope to lose all the rubble into the base so all I will need to dump is the roofing sheets. The shed will be divided by a partition, so the first 10 x 10 will be a clean area, then the remaining 8 x 10 will be the workshop area which should be big enough for what I need. I will update as we get stuff done Dusty
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Post by marsbar350 on Mar 29, 2017 21:20:35 GMT 1
get the panels stained up before the shed goes up dusty run some downspout with a 90 bend for the leccy wires up through the concrete in a corner keep things tidy
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