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Post by dusty350 on Mar 15, 2023 8:20:49 GMT 1
You are not wrong regards parts availability for Lc's. I think it's one of, if not the best catered for classic to rebuild/restore. I've got a mate up the road who did a Suzuki Gt250 Ramair, and he had a hell of a job finding parts, and people who knew how to restore them. We are at the other end of that scale thankfully. Plus there is still so much available nos. For a bike that only had a 2 year life span, the Lc generates a huge amount of genuine and good aftermarket parts. Pv's also, with the added bonus of the Quads/Banshee's keeping performance parts alive Dusty
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Post by masonmart on Mar 15, 2023 10:41:41 GMT 1
Just for info this is a response I got from asking the question to Yambits.
"We did, unfortunately, have some reported issues with RD250/350LC side stands when they were first introduced by us 10+ years ago. Following these reports we immediately changed the design of these side stands and have the side stand tops machined in a specific way. Since this change in design, which was done many years ago, we have not experienced any further reported issues and have sold just short of 600 of these stands in the last few years.
Again, without specifics on oil seals and throttle cables it is difficult to give a definitive answer but we source many of the oils seals we stock for the RD range and other ranges directly from ARS in Japan. This is an OEM supplier to Yamaha and for instance, this is now the only supplier we use for crank oil seals for the RD250/350LC as well as many other models.
With the RD250/350LC throttle cables, these are not a part we have ever had remanufactured ourselves and are cables that are purchased from our wholesalers in the UK. We have changed suppliers a few times for these cables and our current stock of these cables is a close match to the original and is not something we have experienced any reported issues on in the last couple of years. We also stock the OEM cable, that is sourced directly from Yamaha, should a customer wish to fit OEM instead of patent."
It's a fair response and I'll have a better feeling myself when I finish this bike and can use it. My normal leaning is to use Norbo but if not I'd hope to be able to use any of several good suppliers. I'd sooner not eliminate one possibly based on problems that they may not be suffering now. Apologies if this doesn't reflect the current situation, I just try to be fair that's all.
MM
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Post by tdrpete on Mar 15, 2023 12:20:13 GMT 1
As the lads stated i have bought a couple of parts from yambits, footpeg rubbers for one which are starting to perish already and exhaust baffles which fell apart nearly straight out of the box as the welds where crap. Yambits did replace these with better quailty items without any questions asked to be fair. I even returned the damaged baffles to them although it was only after i posted them they said they did not need them to be returned. Could have saved myself the postage lol. A well best of luck with the build best thing you will do with your clothes on. And by the way where did you get the shopping trolley makes a handy engine stand lol. Norbo is your man for parts and advice. As a wise friend of mine used to say (no such thing as a free ride Pete) and by god was he right. So dont worry about budgets lol.
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Post by masonmart on Mar 15, 2023 15:04:24 GMT 1
As the lads stated i have bought a couple of parts from yambits, footpeg rubbers for one which are starting to perish already and exhaust baffles which fell apart nearly straight out of the box as the welds where crap. Yambits did replace these with better quailty items without any questions asked to be fair. I even returned the damaged baffles to them although it was only after i posted them they said they did not need them to be returned. Could have saved myself the postage lol. A well best of luck with the build best thing you will do with your clothes on. And by the way where did you get the shopping trolley makes a handy engine stand lol. Norbo is your man for parts and advice. As a wise friend of mine used to say (no such thing as a free ride Pete) and by god was he right. So dont worry about budgets lol. Thanks so much Pete and much wise advice. I'm glad that you got redress from Yambits btw, that's the important thing. My intent is always to use Norbo, just a couple of times when I couldn't see the bits I wanted in his shop but my fault for not asking. Oi, don't take the Mick out of my engine transporter neither it serves a very useful purpose. I have a few classics and several that I've sold over time and all of them have been projects and the usual cost has been the equivalent of donor bike + £10k and sometimes way in excess when I used to look for perfection. Now I've started this F1 I won't be budget constrained in getting it to exceptional running condition but as a user I don't want it to be a show Queen. I need some of that Patina paint. We're so lucky with these bikes as the they are superb and parts so easy to get. I want another after this F1 but to to look like John Cooper's Yamsel or Jarno Saarinen's works 350. Jarno was the greatest racer that I've ever seen and would have been GP champion for a decade if he hadn't tragically lost his life and yet he has no legacy First things first though.
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Post by abar121 on Mar 15, 2023 17:26:54 GMT 1
I have also been bitten by some bits from Yambits that weren't anything like stock. But there is lots of good stuff though and it's good to have options.
As always, buy carefully.
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Post by tdrpete on Mar 15, 2023 17:30:04 GMT 1
Absolutley agree regards Jarno and i am not taking the mick i think thats a brilliant idea for the engine transporter i really love when people use a common sense approach to use an everyday item and not have to spend a fortune. Joey Dunlop style, you are a man after my own heart, i will be keeping an eye for updates as your project progresses. Big thumbs up to you.
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Post by masonmart on Mar 17, 2023 10:59:29 GMT 1
Absolutley agree regards Jarno and i am not taking the mick i think thats a brilliant idea for the engine transporter i really love when people use a common sense approach to use an everyday item and not have to spend a fortune. Joey Dunlop style, you are a man after my own heart, i will be keeping an eye for updates as your project progresses. Big thumbs up to you. Pete, I get home Sunday March 26 and hope to get started next day. I have a couple of issues to sort out on getting the pipes repaired (very thin metal on the front curve) before Ceracoating them and then up to North London to start picking up the parts that I need to get going. Great being retired for working on bikes.
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Post by tdrpete on Mar 17, 2023 11:06:07 GMT 1
Motorbikes are massively popular in Malaysia I would love to go there. Well safe travels and I will be keeping an eye on your project once you return. Take care.
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Post by masonmart on Mar 23, 2023 11:17:41 GMT 1
Motorbikes are massively popular in Malaysia I would love to go there. Well safe travels and I will be keeping an eye on your project once you return. Take care. Pete, I hope that you can make it here some time. It really is a fantastic place. Maybe come when I'm here and I can take you around. I'm back home Sunday morning which is very sad in some ways but I have so much to sort out, family to see and and I have to start assembling the bike. I'm lucky to have been very productive while I've been here and I have a good friend at home who has done the engine for me and that has saved me a couple of months. It looks fantastic and I'll post some pics when I get up to his place. Most important I haven't been able to rush into it and have prepared well I think. Hopefully I can make good progress and keep the pics coming.
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Post by JonW on Mar 26, 2023 0:54:55 GMT 1
Mason, assuming you were still looking for bodywork? There was a bloke advertising F bodywork on Fb today in West Sussex, it looked like 2 sets of OEM plastic and 1 set of GRP. I would think its worth trying to get the best of any OEM panels you can find... Less repairs means less cost etc. (FYI Im not a fb fan, just happened to notice it listed, someone local to you might be able to contact him if youre not a fb memeber) FYI the price of 1234 etc is typical fb marketplace for 'i dont know what to price this at' not the real price. I would act on stuff like this quickly if you were keen, it doesnt hang around (not least as Ive posted these pics on here and we have a few traders who will snap up stuff thats cheap etc :/ )
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Post by masonmart on Mar 26, 2023 15:44:09 GMT 1
Thank you very much Jon, sorry that I didn't respond earlier but I had a long flight home last night. I'm still working on firing or not, I prefer naked for classic bikes but they had one.
Had a look at it and tbh having a fairing isn't worth paying that money for what is basically a pile of junk that needs coating and then a major exercise in fitting. What do you think?
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Post by masonmart on Mar 26, 2023 15:44:29 GMT 1
Exhaust by Martin Mason, on Flickr This is the pipe that has bad general corrosion but it sounds quite solid in that area and the rest of both pipes is good so I may be able to recover it. After a blitz of money out, it'll be nice to save some.
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Post by abar121 on Mar 26, 2023 20:02:39 GMT 1
My vote is no faring, although it's not cheap to do an N1 conversion these days. I just can't be bothered to deal with cracking old plastic fairings. I did some pipes that had corrosion, by taking off the high points with a flap wheel, then using filler primer and top coat. Held up well, but I think you need something heftier to cover up those pits! Not tried this, maybe it works? www.toolstation.com/big-boy-metal-filler/p61935Good luck!
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Post by JonW on Mar 26, 2023 23:31:52 GMT 1
Thank you very much Jon, sorry that I didn't respond earlier but I had a long flight home last night. I'm still working on firing or not, I prefer naked for classic bikes but they had one. Had a look at it and tbh having a fairing isn't worth paying that money for what is basically a pile of junk that needs coating and then a major exercise in fitting. What do you think? no worries, i thought you said before that you wanted it 'all OEM' and it had a fairing is all. as mentioned above ' FYI the price of 1234 etc is typical fb marketplace for 'i dont know what to price this at' not the real price.', you would need to contact him for the real prices and it certainly wont be a grand etc. he only wanted 20 quid for the GRP ones, so maybe hes actually cheap. Anyway, your call of course. For the pipes, find some dented junkers with good headers and cut them off and swap them.
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Post by masonmart on Mar 27, 2023 8:48:39 GMT 1
Thank you very much Jon, sorry that I didn't respond earlier but I had a long flight home last night. I'm still working on firing or not, I prefer naked for classic bikes but they had one. Had a look at it and tbh having a fairing isn't worth paying that money for what is basically a pile of junk that needs coating and then a major exercise in fitting. What do you think? no worries, i thought you said before that you wanted it 'all OEM' and it had a fairing is all. as mentioned above ' FYI the price of 1234 etc is typical fb marketplace for 'i dont know what to price this at' not the real price.', you would need to contact him for the real prices and it certainly wont be a grand etc. he only wanted 20 quid for the GRP ones, so maybe hes actually cheap. Anyway, your call of course. For the pipes, find some dented junkers with good headers and cut them off and swap them. Jon, my preference is for standard bikes for sure but converting back to faired in this case muddies the waters far to much. The important thing is to get the bike running and only then after some decent miles look at fitting a fairing. Will see if I can find some junk pipes to cannibalise but they seem to be pretty rare and expensive. I'm going to see a local coater and there's a shop next door that build exhaust systems for specials. If it can be fixed up they should be able to help me. Thanks for the product link Abar, will take a look at it.
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Post by JonW on Mar 27, 2023 12:43:13 GMT 1
No worries, only thing I will say about stuff like bodywork is that OEM stuff gets rarer by the year. Its not alone, as many parts for the F1 are hard to find now and some are almost impossible. 1 year bikes are like that.
I will profess to being a bit confused as you said you wanted a 100% standard build as that is where the money is (maybe Ive paraphrased?) and you have an F1 to build. But maybe Ive not read all the threads you commented in so have missed something about your plans.
Anyway, I'll dip out, no need for me to muddy any waters.
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Post by masonmart on Mar 27, 2023 12:53:55 GMT 1
No worries, only thing I will say about stuff like bodywork is that OEM stuff gets rarer by the year. Its not alone, as many parts for the F1 are hard to find now and some are almost impossible. 1 year bikes are like that. I will profess to being a bit confused as you said you wanted a 100% standard build as that is where the money is (maybe Ive paraphrased?) and you have an F1 to build. But maybe Ive not read all the threads you commented in so have missed something about your plans. Anyway, I'll dip out, no need for me to muddy any waters. Yes Jon, all of the things you say are correct and perhaps all in due time. It's a philosophy I have that's all but I'm not so crazy to apply it regardless of cost, time and my enjoyment of the bike. Yes you paraphrased what I actually said but never mind, standard bikes in good condition fetch the best prices and that is something to take into account but not to be driven by. I hope that you notice that I change my mind when I find out better facts and always take good advice. For the F1 it looks like the standard pipes and fairing are very poor quality decisions. Funny thing is that nobody makes them. Best Wishes MM
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Post by masonmart on Mar 28, 2023 15:01:41 GMT 1
Wheels by Martin Mason, on Flickr Jetlagged and tired I got my stuff ready and made a start. All wheel bearings and seals out.
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Post by masonmart on Mar 29, 2023 14:40:14 GMT 1
Engine 5 by Martin Mason, on Flickr Engine6 by Martin Mason, on Flickr Photos of the finished engine. Looks really good. Have all of the bits home now. Many parts are really ropey and need resto though so here we go.
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Post by arrdy350 on Mar 29, 2023 19:45:13 GMT 1
That engine looks good 👍
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Post by masonmart on Apr 26, 2023 16:06:47 GMT 1
black bits by Martin Mason, on Flickr This is a selection of the black bits just coated. Many more and good standard. The engine stays aren't done, he wouldn't touch them because of the rubber. I was worried about the callipers but they look really good. I'm really disappointed to find that it was a red bike and some red bits have been superficially sprayed black with red showing through. Red was a great colour and the tank seat and panels are perfect.
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Post by JonW on Apr 28, 2023 0:25:15 GMT 1
You might struggle to get those axle adjusters in (and to slide) in the swingarm as neither of the adjuster parts are coated from the factory.
I actually thought you had an 83/4 swingarm... but I guess its 85-on if you have those adjusters.
Re rubber... There looks to be a an old seal in the H arm... seems to have survived(?) 200degC for 20mins lol. FYI the tie bar bushes are $15ish (depends where you buy em obvs) so you could press em out and fit new ones if you did want em coated.
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 28, 2023 7:25:22 GMT 1
The rubber bushes in the tie bars will withstand powdercoating temperatures - all mine have, with no ill effects. Or you could get them air dry Cerakoted. I agree with Jon - the powdercoat on the chain adjusters looks very thick. See if your wheel spindle can slide through the middle of them too
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Post by masonmart on Apr 28, 2023 8:32:35 GMT 1
The rubber bushes in the tie bars will withstand powdercoating temperatures - all mine have, with no ill effects. Or you could get them air dry Cerakoted. I agree with Jon - the powdercoat on the chain adjusters looks very thick. See if your wheel spindle can slide through the middle of them too Mistake by the coater with the chain adjusters but may get them blasted clean again. The engine stay bars were returned uncoated as he was worried about the bushes so #I still have options.
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Post by masonmart on Jun 11, 2023 14:51:47 GMT 1
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Post by masonmart on Oct 10, 2023 12:29:47 GMT 1
October by Martin Mason, on Flickr Just a quick update on how my LC2/57V resto is going. So far there have been many problems with parts missing (like the CD1) or needing a lot more or better restoration (master cylinders and callipers) or just being from the wrong models and incompatible. I believe that now, for the first time, I have all the right parts to the right quality and spec and, if I can get motivation, a clear run to finish it. I've put back my Malaysia trip this year by a month to give me some additional time. Great learning not only on the bike itself but on myself. I doubt that I'll be able to run it until next year as I have to fit the CDI, wire the bike and commission it. I don't claim to have great talent (I have many shortcomings) but I'm learning and at my age that is positive. Massive thanks to the people who have helped me with questions and parts. I really hope that I can repay by making a good job of it in the end. MM
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Post by abar121 on Oct 10, 2023 16:13:38 GMT 1
Nice work, it's looking beautiful already!
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Post by masonmart on Oct 11, 2023 10:45:28 GMT 1
Silencer by Martin Mason, on Flickr One of the successes I had (yes even I have them ) was in not giving up on the pipes which were in rough condition. The tail pipes, which were bad, were fixed up with stainless steel sleeves and look great. The black parts were just a case of cleaning, grinding and painting. I would have liked a set of chambers too but these are also nice. Not quite correct for the bike but these bikes make the best mongrels
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Post by masonmart on Nov 19, 2023 17:28:44 GMT 1
November 19 by Martin Mason, on Flickr Doesn't look like lots of progress but it has gone well and the loom is in now. Just need to wire in the Ignitech CDI and have done a lot of work getting ready for that. Tank and seat are ready to go on and I could finish before I head to Malaysia. Likelihood is that I'll leave it until I get back in April. Many thanks to those who have helped with parts and advice, truly appreciated. Good job I didn't give up on the rusty pipes. MM
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Post by masonmart on Nov 20, 2023 22:44:24 GMT 1
Trust me to be positive. Felt the RHS pipe was loose still at the cylinder and found that the stud had pulled out with a helicoil that had once held it in.
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