How much is a Q reg LC2 frame worth?

[julianboolean]

It's solid but a bit ropey, it's from a bike that was raced and then road registered in 1988, because of this various brackets have been cut off and then welded back on, the quality of the welding is variable. The seat rails had been shortened to fit a TZ seat, but I have repaired this, the brackets for the seat locks have been removed.

So it's a scabby but solid frame.

[midlifecrisisrd]

To me the q reg makes it scrap for me

Give you £40 for the tie bar frame section 😜

Steve

[shaunthe2nd]

I think you would struggle to sell it complete.
You could possibly make around £150 for various brackets/pieces if you chop it, depending how many brackets remain on it.
I think I paid £30 for the centre stand brackets for my project.
Good luck, whatever you do.

[veg]

Kind of agree with Steve, what’s it worth? Well you aren’t going to build a bike out of it I doubt because no matter what you throw at it, it’s always going to be a Q plate therefore intrinsically not worth much, so who will buy it?
I could be completely wrong but I’m struggling to see huge amounts of value.

[29davyt]

It’s worth about £0.06 per Kilo matey !

[steve h]

If it was a first rate frame why the fu** would a single letter (Q) make it worthless??
Its bollox...like "matching numbers" and "UK model"
The Q on the reg plate will not affect the bike... it couldn't give a shit.... and nor could I!!

[donkeychomp]

Q plates seem to be a bugger to insure.

Alex

[midlifecrisisrd]

I can see Steve's point but unfortunately in the real world it's a big stigma to a lot of people

I may be wrong but I think this frame is available as the bike it was holding together has or will be reframed

Steve

[veg]

Steve H you must know that most people won’t touch a Q plate? Consequently you have a very small buyers market, so are you going to build a bike out of one? All that time and all that cash? For what? And if Steve is right you’ll struggle to do anything other than cut it up for parts.
I don’t disagree that it shouldn’t make any difference, but in the real world it always will.

[Chewie01]

From what others have said, I would think the only viable option for this is to keep it as a track bike. I'm sure there's value in a straight bike that can be thrashed round circuits on track days no matter the letter on the registration document.

[steve h]

Well, bikes are for riding, not looking at the number plate. If there were 3 frames, 2 badly rusty with integrity loss, which is what rust is! And the 3rd frame is perfect.... it's a no brainer for me. And the plus is... it's cheap!! AND legal!. I would be far happier with that frame beneath me whilst on Craner Curves on a track day.... Thats my real world. Yeah, I'd build a bike with a Q frame...It would be for me... not to sell for £10k unfinished. Don't give a flying one about anyone else's "stigma" mentality!!

[JonW]

Apr 18, 2021 22:40:28 GMT 1 donkeychomp said:

Q plates seem to be a bugger to insure.

Alex

As Alex says, I thought the biggest issue with the Q plate was that it was shunned by insurance companies?

if thats not the case then maybe more people would be interested in them. I so know back in the day that Q plate cars were always an insurance issue when i asked about them and felt that you almost never saw a Q plate cos of that, and if you do it rarely looked like a good example of the breed. You were much more likely to see a bike with a Q tho as it was easy to swap bike bits and create a vehicle of 'indeterminate age'.

ISTR the DVLA did a thing in the early 90s with cars where they allocated points for original body, engine, axles etc and you had to have a certain amount of points to retain your registration. This was said to be so they could weed out kit cars that we registered as the original car, ie AC cobra kits registered as a Sierra, beach buggy reg'd as a Beetle. This then caused classic car guys grief as they had parts of cars put together like we do with bikes to keep them on a road as well as do hybrids etc.

[dusty350]

I had a "Q" plated 400 back in the 80's. It was a nightmare getting insurance on it. Think there was only 1 firm that would do TPFT on it, and they had you over a barrel on the price of the insurance

Dusty

[525bri]

I've got a project bike on a q so have an interest in this subject. I've called the dvla about this a couple of times and it seems to depend who you talk to as to whether it's possible to get an age related plate issued. Ultimately I think it will be possible.

[dezcbr]

I'd stick it on eBay and see what it does. Adrian Flux has offered insurance on Q plates for years, most of the older Harris framed bikes are on Q plates, my friend has one and a another Gsxr turbo in a Spondon style frame that was fabricated by another friend, he has never had a problem insuring either for agreed values

[Chewie01]

I have a 1989 YZ250 that I registered on a Q plate in the early 90s and never had an issue with insurance back then because you could just get a policy for the capacity of the bike. The last time I enquired about insurance on it I couldn't get past the model number not being listed on the insurance database, but I'm guessing the Q plate would have been an issue too.

[reedpete]

I have this thought in the back of my mind that there was recently discussion about a u turn on migrating Q (questions ) plates to correct historic plate IF date of manufacture could be retrospectively proven. They are principally issued when the is a question over this.
Might be the q plate pain will be eased soon.

[Yogi]

Apr 18, 2021 22:36:52 GMT 1 steve h said:

If it was a first rate frame why the fu** would a single letter (Q) make it worthless??
Its bollox...like "matching numbers" and "UK model"
The Q on the reg plate will not affect the bike... it couldn't give a shit.... and nor could I!!

Best you buy it then 👌

I wouldn’t bother building a bike on a Q

[abar121]

Apr 19, 2021 1:24:48 GMT 1 JonW said:

Apr 18, 2021 22:40:28 GMT 1 donkeychomp said:

Q plates seem to be a bugger to insure.

Alex

As Alex says, I thought the biggest issue with the Q plate was that it was shunned by insurance companies?

if thats not the case then maybe more people would be interested in them. I so know back in the day that Q plate cars were always an insurance issue when i asked about them and felt that you almost never saw a Q plate cos of that, and if you do it rarely looked like a good example of the breed. You were much more likely to see a bike with a Q tho as it was easy to swap bike bits and create a vehicle of 'indeterminate age'.

ISTR the DVLA did a thing in the early 90s with cars where they allocated points for original body, engine, axles etc and you had to have a certain amount of points to retain your registration. This was said to be so they could weed out kit cars that we registered as the original car, ie AC cobra kits registered as a Sierra, beach buggy reg'd as a Beetle. This then caused classic car guys grief as they had parts of cars put together like we do with bikes to keep them on a road as well as do hybrids etc.

It's pretty complex these days in order to avoid a Q plate on a kit car, if you are using used / recondition parts. Tons of info on DVLA for those that are interested.

I wouldn't bank on removing a Q plate. Once assigned, any theoretical possibility is now near zero in the eyes of the DVLA jobsworths.

They are hard to insure, as the insurance company has no idea what the cobbled together parts is. It could be stock and mis-registered or a complete clusterf**k!

[29davyt]

Apr 19, 2021 7:05:56 GMT 1 525bri said:

I've got a project bike on a q so have an interest in this subject. I've called the dvla about this a couple of times and it seems to depend who you talk to as to whether it's possible to get an age related plate issued. Ultimately I think it will be possible.

You’ll need to purchase a registered frame with V5 to get rid of your Q, same as creator of OP (Julianboolean )has done.

[abar121]

A Q plate is probably fine for export. There's a big market out there, although it got a lot smaller from Jan onwards

[Yogi]

Chop it up to save some legit bikes 👍

In case some scrote buys it and subsequently nicks someone else’s pride and joy to build it on 🤬

[julianboolean]

As has been said, I have bought another frame to get round the Q plate problem, it's an F1 frame in nicer condition that my Q reg one and came with a load of other bits I wanted, so I'm a happy bunny.

I've also had a PM from someone on here who's interested in the frame, so it might be going.

Moving the conversation on, it appears to be impossible to reregister a Q reg frame to age related, but could you grind the number off, restamp it with your engine number (as the engine probably comes from a crashed bike with a wrecked frame) and then get it the registration for that frame number from the DVLA, you'd then have a matching numbers bike, so long as when you sold it you advertised it saying what you'd done and all components were owned by you, would you be committing a crime?

I know that rally cars are often re-shelled but keep the same registration number, surely reframing is the bike equivalent of reshelling?

[JonW]

Its illegal to grind off and restamp a frame isnt it?

If you reframe or reshell with new parts they are not numbered, you do that using your own numbers. Its seen as a different thing. If its an old parts then you get those numbers instead.

[mouse]

Oooops

[mouse]

Apr 19, 2021 13:09:57 GMT 1 julianboolean said:

As has been said, I have bought another frame to get round the Q plate problem, it's an F1 frame in nicer condition that my Q reg one and came with a load of other bits I wanted, so I'm a happy bunny.

I've also had a PM from someone on here who's interested in the frame, so it might be going.

Moving the conversation on, it appears to be impossible to reregister a Q reg frame to age related, but could you grind the number off, restamp it with your engine number (as the engine probably comes from a crashed bike with a wrecked frame) and then get it the registration for that frame number from the DVLA, you'd then have a matching numbers bike, so long as when you sold it you advertised it saying what you'd done and all components were owned by you, would you be committing a crime?

I know that rally cars are often re-shelled but keep the same registration number, surely reframing is the bike equivalent of reshelling?

Yes, pretty sure you would be committing a crime!

Mouse

[julianboolean]

Fair enough, I had no intention of doing it, it was a hypothetical question.

[julianboolean]

I've decided to keep my Q reg frame for now, for what I'd get for it, it's not worth selling, also the F1 frame I've bought needs a small repair where someone has been heavy handed getting the steering bearing out

[29davyt]

I thought you had a buyer for it ? 

[julianboolean]

Someone was interested but hadn't commited to buying it