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Post by giggsey999 on Apr 13, 2021 19:54:37 GMT 1
Started to re assemble my freshly re bored pv barrels today and noticed they seem to have been bored off centre, they have gone from 1.0 over when I took them in to now being 2.0 over, the guy said they had worn un evenly that's why he had to go so far with them. Dusty will be posting some pics for me soon. Is this gonna be a problem, are they OK to use?
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 13, 2021 20:04:04 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Apr 13, 2021 20:06:57 GMT 1
Sorry but my first thought was oooh ya f**ker.
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Post by tony2stroke on Apr 13, 2021 20:19:52 GMT 1
Turn them upside down and take some pics, so people can see how much meat is left on the bottom of the liner, that would be my concern.
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Post by andy748 on Apr 13, 2021 20:19:56 GMT 1
Mine is re-sleeve, i wouldn't be happy. Sorry. Andy.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 13, 2021 20:34:01 GMT 1
Seen this a few times
Most rebore places bore barrelssqaure to the base of the barrel
IF the liner hasn't been jigged true then doing this will cause what's happened when then bored perpendicular to the base
Either that or it has previously been bored off line and this has happened trying to recover it
The problem will be heat dispersion and expansion as the thinner and thicker bits will expand differently
Personally I wouldn't use them
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 13, 2021 20:35:51 GMT 1
Also the thinner section is at the exhaust valve
There is very little meat behind these areas due to the valve tunnel and tend to wear or collapses slightly
Steve
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Post by headcoats on Apr 13, 2021 20:41:24 GMT 1
The powervalves will need trimming so doesn't hit piston and the head gasket will need opening out too
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Post by giggsey999 on Apr 13, 2021 20:43:19 GMT 1
More pics coming from underside, not good.
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Post by arrow on Apr 13, 2021 20:45:00 GMT 1
Shit, I really feel for this guy giggsey. Doesn't seem to be having a good time at all with this bike at the moment.
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Post by giggsey999 on Apr 13, 2021 20:52:19 GMT 1
There fooked,just put a straight edge down the bore and turned the valves and both hit, also a piece of the liner at the bottom has gone.
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Post by steve h on Apr 13, 2021 20:55:53 GMT 1
From +1 to +2 because of uneven wear?? Thats a lot of wear (score marks?).... I sniff a rat. I have had barrels ruined in the past because they got sent to half witts.
I would only send to professionals nowadays like PJME
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Post by veg on Apr 13, 2021 20:57:01 GMT 1
Door stops unfortunately. Big bore time 👍
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 13, 2021 20:59:58 GMT 1
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Post by giggsey999 on Apr 13, 2021 21:00:32 GMT 1
They were done at T&L engineering in Elstow, someone on here recommended them, have I got ground a to go back to them and for what, re fund, compensation?
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Post by giggsey999 on Apr 13, 2021 21:04:29 GMT 1
What can I do with them now, this thing has cost me £800 so far, iv had enough.
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Post by dusty350 on Apr 13, 2021 21:11:38 GMT 1
Hi mate
First off, I would want whatever money you paid for the rebore, back - that is not a proper job.
I would speak to Paul at PJME and see if he thinks relining the barrels would work. If not, you are looking at getting a used pair of barrels. I personally would go with relining if it's an option.
Dusty
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Post by robin on Apr 13, 2021 21:17:26 GMT 1
Oh that's not good, may not be salvageable, but best get PJME to have a look at a possible re-sleeve, dam shame.
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Post by tony2stroke on Apr 13, 2021 21:18:43 GMT 1
They were done at T&L engineering in Elstow, someone on here recommended them, have I got ground a to go back to them and for what, re fund, compensation? Goods or services have to be fit for purpose, carried out correctly, under the sale of goods act 2015 you are protected, get in touch with them saying what has been said regarding not fit for purpose now on here, always be as nice as you can, explain the hole situation, if you don't get any joy then go to citizens advice bureaux, you have rights mate, those are only good for throwing now. |
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Post by arrow on Apr 13, 2021 21:19:12 GMT 1
I feel your pain, friend.
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Post by abar121 on Apr 13, 2021 21:26:21 GMT 1
Oh jeez, I have had quite a bit of work on Kawa triples and some on RDs by T&L, I wonder what the hell happened here?
That's terrible. Really sorry it turned out like that.
I think PJME will be able to put new liners in, as above.
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Post by mouse on Apr 13, 2021 21:26:44 GMT 1
Jesus! That is dreadful, really feel for you on this.
Try to stick with the bike if you can because when you do finish it and you can/will, it will be worth it.
Good luck with whatever you decide, there are some great people on this forum who will/do help.
Mouse
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Post by Tobyjugs on Apr 13, 2021 21:27:50 GMT 1
Looks like it was done by a 4T company the honing looks too rough. Also in the first picture if you look on the left side of the barrel next to the cooling water channel you will see ripples similar to what you might see on a beach. This is usually caused by prolonged blasting in one spot. Apart from the ripples which would suggest the surface is not flat anymore the rest looks pretty rough as well. If going for a reline the company would probably machine this as well.
Good luck and as other people have said it will be worth it in the end.
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Post by veg on Apr 13, 2021 21:40:19 GMT 1
Did you sign a contract or get a receipt? If so what does it say? Look for anything they will use as indemnity, eg all goods are subject to them being fit etc or any report that came with them that you signed. If not under the sales of goods act but and it’s a big but it was service not a “goods” that you paid for eg if you bought them as decent barrels from them they wouldn’t have a leg to stand on but you engaged a service which is different.
Did they do a pre work report? Some decent places will do which always has a rider on it.
Also do you have any photographic evidence prior to the work being carried out?
Good luck and as others have said it will be worth it, and I feel your pain.
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Post by giggsey999 on Apr 13, 2021 22:08:41 GMT 1
More pics coming from before the re bore.
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Post by tony2stroke on Apr 13, 2021 22:12:46 GMT 1
The sale of goods act covers services too, it was all modified in 2015, here is what it says about services, I think you have a good case.
Another thought comes to mind too, if you paid with credit card you may have another avenue there, not sure if that also covers debit cards, just a thought.
Supply of a service
The term 'service' covers a wide variety of services including large and small-scale work you might have carried out in your home or elsewhere.
From a small repair job on a vehicle with no written details to the installation of solar panels, from a haircut to major building work, all these require you to enter into a contract.
Services can be provided alone or they may be provided with goods, for example, the fitting of a new kitchen.
KEY INFORMATION
What is a service?
Examples of services provided without goods include:
dry cleaning
entertainment
work done by professionals such as solicitors, estate agents and accountants
building work or home improvements (if you bought the materials and the builder used those).
Examples of services provided with goods include:
repairs to goods where parts are replaced, eg car repairs
fitted kitchens or bathrooms
home improvements involving building and decorating work (if the builder supplied their own materials)
double glazing
If you have a contract for any of the services above, the Consumer Rights Act sets out minimum standards that apply to the service and also remedies if the trader falls short of these standards.
Minimum standards that apply include:
The trader must perform the service with reasonable care and skill.
Information that is spoken or written is binding where the consumer relies on it.
Where the price is not agreed beforehand, the service must be provided for a reasonable price.
Unless a particular timescale for performing the service is set out or agreed, the service must be carried out in a reasonable time.
If the service you’re provided doesn’t satisfy these criteria, you’re entitled to the following remedies under the Consumer Rights Act:
The trader should either redo the element of the service that's inadequate, or perform the whole service again at no extra cost to you, within a reasonable time and without causing you significant inconvenience.
Or, in circumstances where the repeat performance is impossible, or can’t be done within a reasonable time or without causing significant inconvenience, you can claim a price reduction. Depending on how severe the failings are, this could be up to 100% of the cost, and the trader should refund you within 14 days of agreeing that you're entitled to a refund.
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Post by veg on Apr 13, 2021 22:18:55 GMT 1
As much as it pains me to say it 😁; Tony has a very valid point. I’d go through the normal channels and if that doesn’t work reject the work and go small claims court.
Well done Tony some sound advice. 👍
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Apr 13, 2021 22:21:07 GMT 1
Did you pay by credit card?
Check with the card company if covered
Steve
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Post by steve63 on Apr 13, 2021 22:41:31 GMT 1
First of all it seemed to be accepted that +1mm was about the limit for the YPVS over bore back in the day due to the thickness, or rather lack of, the liner above the power valve. Anyway it's done now.
I'm not really seeing what everyone else is to be honest. Maybe because I'm looking at this on a phone?
If it was me and I needed an opinion I would take them round to someone like a tuner. Someone like Shag at AJ's in Hull or Mick Abbey who I think is in Darlington and let them see them in the flesh.
My cylinders have been tuned and the liner that forms the inner part of the bottom of the transfers has been cut back or raised if the cylinders are the right way up. I wouldn't be giving up on them just yet.
One thing that looks to be needed is the ports need to have the chamfer put back. If you can't or don't want to do it yourself then that's another reason to visit one of these guys.
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Post by giggsey999 on Apr 13, 2021 23:13:43 GMT 1
The pics I took when stripping the engine show the previous bore looked central, even all the way round, so it appears its been done off centre, will go back tomorrow and ask for re fund for re bore and return the plus 2 pistons which will be best part of £200.if my barrels can be re lined how much will that cost?
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