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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 11:40:07 GMT 1
Just do what the previous owners have done and remove the speedo cable inner
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 3, 2020 11:55:46 GMT 1
Just do what the previous owners have done and remove the speedo cable inner They must have done, even pushing it round would have put a few miles on it.
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Post by jon on Jul 3, 2020 16:06:20 GMT 1
Do those disks look a little worn for a new bike? Also I suspect it’s not as described. Coming from France I suspect it’s not a zero miles bike, but a zero kilometre bike at best. Also it will be left hand drive Jon
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Post by tacky1 on Jul 3, 2020 16:08:13 GMT 1
The brake discs tell a different story, More than a few miles on them..... You wont get them that scored from pushing it around the shop floor...
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Post by jon on Jul 3, 2020 16:10:34 GMT 1
The brake discs tell a different story, More than a few miles on them..... You wont get them that scored from pushing it around the shop floor...
So to conclude, 40 big ones for a bike that’s not as described? Jon
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Post by tacky1 on Jul 3, 2020 16:15:36 GMT 1
The brake discs tell a different story, More than a few miles on them..... You wont get them that scored from pushing it around the shop floor...
So to conclude, 40 big ones for a bike that’s not as described? Jon No thanks Jon Ill have to pass on that one
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Post by begbie on Jul 4, 2020 23:13:27 GMT 1
Is this how a uk gamma fairing usually looks ? Yes, the colored indicator blanks have part numbers
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Post by stusco on Jul 5, 2020 9:46:45 GMT 1
I would get them filled it looks crap
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 6, 2020 7:18:51 GMT 1
Is this how a uk gamma fairing usually looks ? Yes, the colored indicator blanks have part numbers Are you sure? I've been keeping my eye out for a nice one and some don't have those cut-outs. Or have they been filled in? These bikes are a nightmare unless you know what you're looking for, there is at least one bloke with a garage full of bits that churns one out every now and then but they're usually bits of 400's and 500's sold as "original" bikes. There is a thread on a forum where people are discussing him, somewhere in the NE I think, someone bought a bike described as original that turned out to be a mish-mash of parts from different bikes. Some of those bikes on ebay have been for sale for a long time, they're either overpriced, not quite as described, or both - although it looks like the Marlboro RD500 has sold! That's proper money for an RD500, even if it is a Marlboro one. If I was going to buy one I'd search the forums for someone that knows what they're talking about and offer them a couple of hundred quid to come with me for a morning and look at it, if you're spending up to £20k on something that is supposed to be original then it would be worth it.
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Post by dalmahoy on Jul 6, 2020 7:57:47 GMT 1
Reckon the built in indicators look better than the stick out ones - and hopefully the MOT tester won't pick up on them if they're fitted.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 8:15:29 GMT 1
The RG was originally a 400 Japan only spec, have the built in indicators. Share with the RG250. UK specs need the indicators to be in a wider and lower spec hence the big bolt on side indicators and the blanks on the UK 500. Side fairings for none UK bikes don't have the holes for the side indicators. For the nose cone you have 3 options, the replacement infill part, get some old indicators and paint them or fill the gaps in the fairing with fibreglass or whatever that gives a smooth finish. There are subtle differences between the 400 and 500 that aren't that obvious. The obvious ones are nose fairing and mirrors, fuel gauge, frame and engine numbers are K not M and the lower pipes have different end cans. The thumb lever for the choke was different but some 500's did have the 400 style lever. The "dodgy" RG thread was on this forum rdlccrazy.proboards.com/thread/48507/rg500-warningMy TD fairings are from Canada spec Walter Wolf
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 6, 2020 13:28:50 GMT 1
There is a good function on the DVLA site where you check if a vehicle is taxed, it tells you when the last change of keeper was. The majority of these 500's for sale seem to have keepers that didn't keep them for too long, less than a year in some cases, which to my mind suggests that they were bought, tarted up and now they're for sale. If they've been done properly then it's not a problem, but in my experience it's hard to make any profit on a refurbished bike if you do it properly - so many don't do it properly.
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 6, 2020 15:11:36 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2020 17:34:25 GMT 1
Ace marketing - First to see will buy, so obviously no-one has seen it yet Being sold by Chris our MD so ring Martin the Sales lacky
£17,500 and 28,000. These motors are every good for high mileage but I'd want to see the bills for the restoration and engine rebuild, not the cost of a tin of black engine paint.... Nose fairing has been infilled. The colours are RG500G which was the 1984/5 version with the classic dark blue belly pan. The other version 1985/6 the RG500CH had the red or blue seat to match the flash (surrounded by white) across the fairing. C reg is 1985 so it could be a G or a CH repainted in G colours !!! Having said that the RG500 I had back in the 80's was a G reg 1989 and was an original RG500G. Probably an ex race bike that was only road registered after it was put back to std. I think for that much money you need to be rivet counting 2
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Post by spondon440 on Jul 6, 2020 19:44:37 GMT 1
Martin is the sales manager and for a sales t**t is ok, he is actually into bikes and restores quite a few himself and I'm generally quite impressed with what he has done. That said, all used bikes in there are generally top end price wise (bit over priced actually) but I guess they must haggle because they sell all their used stock, I have bought 3 Ducati's from there and the last one was the most unreliable piece of shit I have ever owned and although I can be loud and unpleasant when I'm truly pissed off and they managed to deal with everything in a way that kept my lid on. Selling classics isn't their thing though I'd say though, bikes like this are usually their personal bikes as this one is, I'd imagine it has to come with some sort of dealer warranty which on a used RG must be a bonus. Apart from probably always fancying one my knowledge is very limited, I'd listen to Mellor on that.
Andy
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Post by donkeychomp on Jul 6, 2020 21:33:49 GMT 1
Makes me wonder why this is the first listing for this seller? (Feedback 0). Or did he trade under a different name before and got such bad feedback he's started all over again. Whatever the reason it's very expensive indeed.
Alex
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 7, 2020 4:06:50 GMT 1
Ace marketing - First to see will buy, so obviously no-one has seen it yet Being sold by Chris our MD so ring Martin the Sales lacky You missed the bit about it being from his private collection I think that unless people are Sammy Miller then they probably shouldn't use that as a sales soundbite, we all have a private collection. Being sold by our MD - he's MD of a motorbike shop, he's not exactly Bill Gates, so that doesn't impress me either. And 'First to see will buy' is a ridiculous thing, I've always found it a strange thing to say. Thanks for the info. There can't be many of these about any more and he's only owned this one for 18 months, so it's probably worth digging around for history, someone will know the bike. I also think it's worth watching what happens over the next 6 months, I have a feeling that prices may be going south in 2021 when the economy really starts to bite.
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Post by LC_BOTT on Jul 7, 2020 8:33:24 GMT 1
At the momemt it seems like people can't wait to get out and spend their money, car dealers stock near me is disappearing at an alarming rate, maybe it's the 'feel good factor' of something new.
As for the 500's, there should be the same numbers around, it's not like they're disappearing, just not out being ridden or shown?? With the cost of them rising, why sell, my money is getting 0.01 % interest. I do believe, as you say, somethings got to 'give' economy wise soon when everyone's back to work, ie higher taxes/NI etc
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 7, 2020 12:11:20 GMT 1
I think there are a few things going on at the moment, people have more time because work has slowed down for many, some have more disposable income because they're not travelling for work, going on holiday or spending, and many are wondering whether it's a good idea to have money sitting in the bank or whether to buy that thing they always wanted. So boys toys are in demand, they've all seen a short term spike in demand.
I just had lunch with an economist of some repute and he reckons it's the same in the trading markets, some people are very keen to spend their money, but the smart people are taking the opportunity to sell while they can because it's going to go pop soon. I think it's the same with the boys toys that people are buying now, if you've got a bike to sell then sell it now because if you don't then you're going to wish you had when the market falls over.
I think the people that are buying things now might look back once the economy really starts to wane and they'll wish they had the cash in the bank, so the time to buy will be after Christmas when the arse has properly fallen out of it. The people that bought them as 'investments' are going to be a bit sick, but it's a bonus for the rest of us who buy them to ride and enjoy.
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Post by stusco on Jul 8, 2020 7:44:41 GMT 1
Reckon the built in indicators look better than the stick out ones - and hopefully the MOT tester won't pick up on them if they're fitted. Mine passed ok
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Post by copper99 on Jul 8, 2020 20:17:48 GMT 1
I just had lunch with an economist of some repute and he reckons it's the same in the trading markets, some people are very keen to spend their money, but the smart people are taking the opportunity to sell while they can because it's going to go pop soon. I think the people that are buying things now might look back once the economy really starts to wane and they'll wish they had the cash in the bank, so the time to buy will be after Christmas when the arse has properly fallen out of it. The people that bought them as 'investments' are going to be a bit sick, but it's a bonus for the rest of us who buy them to ride and enjoy. I think in the shorterm (as in you suggested period just "after Christmas" ) you could be right but smart people always invest their money wisely when markets crash and that means gold, jewelry, classic vehicles.. My friend has a classic vehicle storage business, ive put some pics up of it now and again, he built a new unit last year (has 3 now) and business has been so good, he plans another 2 for end of the year/winter 2021 if he can get planning permission. Longer term, things will stablise , even if we do have a new "normal" but in 5 years, classic vehicles will have proved a good buy to those that decided to or could hold on to them in 2020/21, of that im certain.
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Post by JonW on Jul 9, 2020 1:32:36 GMT 1
Interesting thoughts guys. I have seen over the years that things that are over inflated eventually go pop... but its not like our bikes are triple what they were 5 years ago or anything and i think we will see that most of our bikes will not halve in value soon. I appreciate that's good if you own one and annoying if you dont lol but thats how its always been, there is always a 'cost of entry'. A contributing factor to their value comes from the fact its getting more and more expensive to buy the parts and do the work, so much so now that i reckon its not like there is much (any?) profit in building an LC/YPVS for sale. There are a hell of a lot of hours in tracking down parts for sensible money, if you just buy the first ones you see and buy new/nos it will be quicker but defo no profit there, just loss. Guys have asked me to build their bikes for them and I cant think of an affordable price that makes it worthwhile for both parties, full restos take time and lots of money... its just what it is. I agree that there will probably be a point (perhaps in early 21) when ownership might seem less of a good idea and we see prices going backwards, but most of the bikes on here are properly rebuilt and will always be worth top money, whatever that actual value is. That said I do think the 500s have been trading high, but with supply and demand that seems to have been the case for a long time now. I dont see them being £5k bikes anytime soon, nor do i see them being double what they are now by xmas either. Of course, we can revisit me saying that if it happens lol It has always amazed me that a complex bike that cited being underpowered, too heavy and well reported as not being the best to ride is worth so much... Especially when you can build a more powerful and lighter bike from the 250/350 in the modern world. But, thats 500s for you... I guess the dream from back in the day is something we are still chasing and of course it wont stop me owning an RZ500 and wanting and RG500 either. Here in Aus over the past month Ive noticed it most in the car scene but it does seem like there are more boys toys for sale right now, some cashing in on some of the harder to find things is defo happening. Maybe some jobs got lost or people need the cash for other things and when you add that to the normal amount for sale there seems a lot of them. Also some models of the same car that were deemed lesser for no really good reason (just flew under the radar I guess) are conspicuous by their absence on sales sites as maybe thats where true aficionados put their money. I think some of this is that some people 'invested' in what they perceived to be the harder to find models that they assumed would rise in value ie jumped on the train to make them some money. However, I can only think that some of those people now dont have enough cash to weather the storm, so need (or feel that they 'want') to get out now. Perhaps considering the old adage that 'the first drop is smallest' in investment speak etc. This means they are actively pricing to beat other sellers and some of those previously hard to find models are now easy to find and cheaper than you might think too... but often they are not the best quality examples as they were cheaper to buy when the 'green horn shrewd investor' (apprentice speculators) got their hands on them with the cash they could ill afford to spend. This is all very obvious in the Evo world in Aus. There 9 Evo 6.5 Tommi Makinen's for sale right now and almost all of them are priced much the same as a normal 6. Thats after 2 solid years of magazines telling us all that the TM was the one to buy and asking prices were getting on for double that and everyone said that they were rising in some kind of panic at the end of last year with maybe a single car for sale and seeing one for sale only now and then. Of course when the crash comes to any market the worst of that market just drops off and is gone. Barn find vehicles become broken up for spare parts etc. But the best of anything will still have solid value. If you look at the 1989 classic car market crash you can see that good quality examples came back very highly priced after and were worth more than before as the bottom end of the market disappeared as by default less examples of a model existed, forcing the supply and demand price curve upwards eventually. There are a couple of weird things about vehicles and Covid-19 tho. One, people built up a lot of projects when furloughed and these hitting the market would knock prices downwards anyway, this also turned barn finds into vehicles and consumed both old and new spare parts reducing the available pool in the process. Like the UK, Aus is now almost empty of spares, not that we had many openly advertised here before really as most of this hobby operated on word of mouth. Two, C-19 isnt the same as a normal recession yet. It may become a financial meltdown in the end, but thats not how it started and as such things are not happening like a normal recession, ie no manic selling off of the family jewels for sod all yet. Pockets of that maybe, but its not rampant. So far its been more about toilet paper, flour and asking for cheaper rent than turning assets into cash. Probably as people are more worried about health than where cash will come from as the majority still have jobs so far. I say all this as an observer of prices, not as a guy who is in it for investment. Tho im sure you all knew that haha. Ive too much old school blood, sweat and tears (plus the modern man's efforts of hours of finding parts on the computer or talking on the phone) in my bikes etc. Plus most of mine are not finished of course... in fact, my own 500 is just 'boxes of bits' with a frame that needs painting and an engine split with cyls that I need to take in for rebore. No hurry. What ive got in it now is money that is gone as it was spent 18 months ago and the odd parts purchase (some not cheap of course) since then. Doesnt matter if its worthless to me, Ive always wanted one and i'll build it up anyway for my own enjoyment.
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 9, 2020 4:19:44 GMT 1
I think in the shorterm (as in you suggested period just "after Christmas" ) you could be right but smart people always invest their money wisely when markets crash and that means gold, jewelry, classic vehicles.. They do tend to diversify in difficult times, but that doesn't mean it's always a wise move, if you'd have bought gold in 2011 with a window where you needed to sell any time between then and now, you'd have made a massive loss. I don't want to turn it into a boring finance thread, but because of my job I rub shoulders with people that work in finance for a living, and every one of them has a bleak outlook. Having antiques or classic things that have a made up or perceived value depends on other people wanting them, i.e. demand. If the general financial situation worsens then it's likely that people will have less disposable income, which means that naturally demand lessens. You can have a garage full of old Bugatti's and you can hang whatever price tag you want on them, but if no one is buying then they're effectively worthless. The current global macro-economic situation is quite different to anything we've seen before and it's likely that we'll see a few surprises yet. The only thing anyone can agree on is no one really knows which way things will go. I think the good thing about most of our bikes are that they're less than £10k and that's not a big sum to find for a lot of enthusiasts, so they're relatively recession proof, the average bloke our age can find that sort of money and so they will continue to trade. I don't know where the bigger money classic bike prices will end up, but I really don't think that they're guaranteed investments and if I wanted to sell any of mine then I'd be selling now, because I think they'll go down before they ever go up again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2020 12:42:04 GMT 1
It's a motorcycle - Ride it, break it, crash it, rebuild it.
Financial markets and banks make me feel ill. I've worked for plenty of them. There is nothing tangible it's all speculation gambling with other peoples money. Nothing more nothing less. As soon as an investment goes bad they have no interest in supporting a business get back on it's feet. They bail out. Makes me sick.
Tangible assets will always have a value. When did owning an old 2 Stroke make this much sense.
But like I said
It's a motorcycle - Ride it, break it, crash it, rebuild it, ride it.
You can't take it (investments, cash or motorcycles) with you
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Post by JonW on Jul 11, 2020 3:29:07 GMT 1
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Post by 500anorak on Jul 11, 2020 8:41:30 GMT 1
What price should it be then?
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Post by hoist1 on Jul 11, 2020 9:38:08 GMT 1
What price should it be then? Don’t know enough about restoration costs etc, a 0 miles rd recently was £30000
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Post by stoney on Jul 11, 2020 9:54:03 GMT 1
What price should it be then? Don’t know enough about restoration costs etc, a 0 miles rd recently was £30000
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 11, 2020 11:00:36 GMT 1
What price should it be then? I think at the moment it's whatever you want it to be and see if it tempts anyone. A couple of years ago I remember the consensus was that anyone asking more than £12k was having a laugh, but as we've seen the prices seem to have shot up over the last few months, so if enough get put up for sale at the £20k mark then that will become the new reality. I'm not sure they will get to iconic status and transcend generations like some bikes, the enthusiasts that owned or wanted an RD500 as a youngster will get old and stop buying them and they're not really fashion accessories for hipsters or connected to an iconic era. People not even born in the 60's want things or fashions from the 60's because it was an iconic era, or the romance of Lawrence of Arabia and his Broughs from an earlier era, but I can't see people in the future looking back at the 80's as an iconic era and want to buy stuff associated with that time, unless they were there and lived it.
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Post by 500anorak on Jul 11, 2020 12:29:02 GMT 1
What price should it be then? Don’t know enough about restoration costs etc, a 0 miles rd recently was £30000 jonw does so lets see what he thinks the price should be
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