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Post by icarus001 on Apr 12, 2020 16:15:58 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Apr 12, 2020 16:54:36 GMT 1
Both look nice both are priced ridiculously sure I read something about this dealership but can’t find it, and it wasn’t that complimentary but I have been wrong.
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 12, 2020 17:51:22 GMT 1
I've heard they're nice people - although only from people visiting, I don't know anyone that's bought a bike.
I would have expected that as a high end dealer with bikes at that price then they'd be 100% bob-on, matching numbers, all the right OEM parts, etc, and you'd certainly want it in writing to say so. If that RG500 came apart and turned out to be a mix of 400/500 parts then you'd want to be able to go back to them.
If I was going to buy a Gamma then that's the one that would tempt me, but yeah it's mental money and you can't even claim it's an investment, it'll never be worth more than that price tag even if you keep it in a glass case for thirty years. It's the one I always wanted though, right colours and everything.
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Post by veg on Apr 12, 2020 17:58:07 GMT 1
Could be wrong then about them wouldn’t be the first time. Yep top dollar and as you say would you ever see a return as an investment probably not, for me that price puts them into static pieces of art as soon as you ride them unless you’re careful they’ll not increase. Unless you’re so rich you don’t care, got a friend of my wife who has bought several 1920’s Bentley that he races but he can afford too. For me that’s how the should end up, being used but for mere mortals would you risk it.
My old neighbour had two Vincent’s he had owned since the 60’s and used them regularly but even he started to worry because they had jumped in value so much.
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Post by copper99 on Apr 12, 2020 19:40:38 GMT 1
Both look nice both are priced ridiculously sure I read something about this dealership but can’t find it, and it wasn’t that complimentary but I have been wrong. Probably along the lines of these lot and "Steal City Classics" just up the road totally take the piss..Their pricing makes FastLines seem reasonable. As undoubtedly nice as they are, both have been on sale for these prices for many, many months now I believe, which says it all... Last year I popped into "The Bikes Specialists" for a browze and they had a KH125 up for sale for £7,000...! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2020 20:31:10 GMT 1
Anyone that can afford that much for a bike isn't interested in
1 - getting their hands dirty
2 - will probably never ride it
3 - will have a big room full of collectables
4 - won't give a flying fk what anyone on here thinks
There must be people willing to part with that sort of money otherwise this dealership wouldn't exist. They aren't doing anyone any favours. It does make you raise your eyebrows as to where the bikes (and the cars) came from and who the heck is buying them. I'm sure it's all legitimate it's just a bit of a weird location in an old mill and so many high end vehicles.
It's your money do with it what you want, it's actually none of my business.
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Post by donkeychomp on Apr 12, 2020 21:52:34 GMT 1
Crazy prices. Bikes may or not have been restored but unless you get a cast iron warranty for at least a year I'd steer well clear for that money. And I never trust any dealer, especially one who claims it's in Marlborough colours. Can't even read what's on the f**king fairing. Avoid.
Alex
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 13, 2020 9:43:25 GMT 1
Anyone that can afford that much for a bike isn't interested in 1 - getting their hands dirty 2 - will probably never ride it 3 - will have a big room full of collectables 4 - won't give a flying fk what anyone on here thinks There must be people willing to part with that sort of money otherwise this dealership wouldn't exist. They aren't doing anyone any favours. It does make you raise your eyebrows as to where the bikes (and the cars) came from and who the heck is buying them. I'm sure it's all legitimate it's just a bit of a weird location in an old mill and so many high end vehicles. It's your money do with it what you want, it's actually none of my business. I'm not sure that's really fair, I think there are plenty of people that have just worked hard and aren't afraid to get their hands dirty, but they can afford to spend a bit on bikes. I've worked offshore and abroad and some of the lads I know have high end bikes, but they'd definitely take exception to you saying they won't get their hands dirty. I'm really not a fan of the backstreet garage lot buying up bikes on the cheap and then trying to punt them on with massive mark-up, but this outfit seems to have one-off stuff that you can't buy anywhere else, so I suppose they can ask whatever they want and the market will decide. I'm nothing to do with them, I just thought that Gamma looked nice, and cheaper than an RC30. |
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Post by veg on Apr 13, 2020 10:05:02 GMT 1
I guess the problem is supply and demand, then throw in speculators, and values are always going to go up but only to a point, I work hard, i have the ability to buy one, but i would then be worried about the amount of cash i had sank into it, but then look at the price of a new H2 kwak most are bought on PCP's never owned.
If you can afford it go for it if thats what you want you're a long time dead, i wouldn't but thats me.
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Post by looey on Apr 13, 2020 10:10:14 GMT 1
Is this the outfit that was selling one of Reggie's previous N restorations ?, or was it another similar dealer ?.
Was big money but would've been a good bike ?.
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Post by muttsnuts on Apr 13, 2020 10:20:55 GMT 1
if that RD500 is a genuine Marlboro then every part that was painted by Dream machine has a serial number/painters ID on it, that includes the tank, so if I was buying it then I'd be asking what that ID is and checking it, if the ID's aren't there, then its not one of the 100 done, I've restored several RD500's, 2 of which where genuine Marlboro, both had the ID's etched into the panels and tank, you wouldn't remove them as they are etched, not a stamp or anything
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 13, 2020 10:23:53 GMT 1
I guess the problem is supply and demand, then throw in speculators, and values are always going to go up but only to a point, I work hard, i have the ability to buy one, but i would then be worried about the amount of cash i had sank into it, but then look at the price of a new H2 kwak most are bought on PCP's never owned. If you can afford it go for it if thats what you want you're a long time dead, i wouldn't but thats me. Yeah a new Panigale must be over twenty grand? I suppose you have to weigh up the cost versus the enjoyment you'd get from it. I spent tens of thousands on racing, best I ever got was a third place trophy, but it was money well spent in my opinion. Like you say it's a big chunk of cash and you'd have to really want one, if anyone buys either of those 500's they'd have to consider that they'll lose money, as I said they'll never be worth more than that price tag. |
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Post by stusco on Apr 13, 2020 10:32:14 GMT 1
Is this how a uk gamma fairing usually looks ?  |
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 13, 2020 10:49:19 GMT 1
Is this how a uk gamma fairing usually looks ? I'm sure I've asked that question somewhere before and the answer was yes. I don't know myself though. |
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Post by stusco on Apr 13, 2020 10:50:33 GMT 1
Looks like they have painted over the jap spec indicators
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Post by liffy16 on Apr 13, 2020 11:52:33 GMT 1
If you have the money just sitting in a bank account,and you like the bike get it !! with whats going on in the world life is to short,when your gone what use is that money?
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 14, 2020 4:02:42 GMT 1
If you have the money just sitting in a bank account,and you like the bike get it !! with whats going on in the world life is to short,when your gone what use is that money? It's only tugging at me because I had a Gamma 125 in those colours when I was 17 and I always wanted it's bigger brother in the same colours. I'll never forget the first time I saw one on the road, it was pulling out of a pub car park when we were all sat there with our 125's, I hadn't noticed it in the car park at first, but heard it kick up and then watched him warm it up, then disappear over the hill on the pipe in a cloud of blue smoke, it was the coolest thing I ever saw in my life. It's too much money to spend just to tick a box though, unless I come up on the coupon and then I'll buy it  |
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Post by veg on Apr 14, 2020 9:48:28 GMT 1
Agree a lottery win bike then rag the arse out of it
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Post by copper99 on Apr 14, 2020 19:57:03 GMT 1
Anyone that can afford that much for a bike isn't interested in 1 - getting their hands dirty 2 - will probably never ride it 3 - will have a big room full of collectables 4 - won't give a flying fk what anyone on here thinks There must be people willing to part with that sort of money otherwise this dealership wouldn't exist. They aren't doing anyone any favours. It does make you raise your eyebrows as to where the bikes (and the cars) came from and who the heck is buying them. I'm sure it's all legitimate it's just a bit of a weird location in an old mill and so many high end vehicles. Your quite right Phil, they are investors /collectors and you wont find them lurking on enthusiasts forums like this, they started off selling cars and to many of their customers, even "expensive " bikes appear cheap..Lots of car collectors have moved into bikes of recent (see if they start to offload them or how much their value may be impacted after this Covid 19 crisis eh?) I can tell you he buys many of the bikes from other collectors and specialist contacts in Europe, mainly Italy and Germany. |
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Post by veg on Apr 14, 2020 20:16:28 GMT 1
You’re spot on Bryan I met someone around Christmas time, he had got a couple of bikes including an Lc I tried talking to him thinking great an Lc fan, soon became apparent he was an investor and had no interest in the bikes per se, and he was an absolute bell end.
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 15, 2020 15:06:23 GMT 1
I do wonder about these 'investor' type people that buy motorcycles but claim no interest in them, or cars for that matter.
It's a hell of a lot easier to buy gold, silver, gems or something a bit easier to store.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 17:02:41 GMT 1
You’re spot on Bryan I met someone around Christmas time, he had got a couple of bikes including an Lc I tried talking to him thinking great an Lc fan, soon became apparent he was an investor and had no interest in the bikes per se, and he was an absolute bell end. I didn't realise it was you I was talking to....... |
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Post by veg on Apr 15, 2020 17:16:16 GMT 1
Phil it’d have been a pleasure to have chatted for hours about strokers with you unfortunately he knew f**k all about f**k all and had a similar personality.
If you were sat next to someone and they said I have an Lc you’d have thought great and chatted away, as soon as I said what a 4L0 he looked blankly and said I have a couple of bikes for investments and then couldn’t say anything else. Either that or he was in awe of my sparkling personality and bright ginger facial hair.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2020 19:51:07 GMT 1
The ladies love a bit of ginger :-)
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Post by mickt1964 on Apr 17, 2020 20:10:38 GMT 1
I had a look round the bike specialist last year, they had a 250LC in mars bar colours for £11,500. Now I have a 250 and even though mine is not standard, mine is in far better order than the one they had for sale and I seriously wouldn't value it anywhere near that.
But someone is buying them
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Post by dalmahoy on Apr 20, 2020 8:04:36 GMT 1
I bought my RG500 approx a year ago from an ex-moto GP factory rider.
Admit I paid over the odds at the time but the bikes history added to the appeal.
I sold a car that wasn't being used and depreciating daily and wanted a bit of fun with the money.
The bike is almost completely stripped now.
After the usual clusterfcuk of a day at work or everything that's happening just now - the garage is a happy place.
And all things considered - I would indeed do it again.
But not at the price listed!
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Post by icarus001 on Apr 20, 2020 9:41:28 GMT 1
I bought my RG500 approx a year ago from an ex-moto GP factory rider. Admit I paid over the odds at the time but the bikes history added to the appeal. I sold a car that wasn't being used and depreciating daily and wanted a bit of fun with the money. I'm sure I read about that in a magazine, or online, or somewhere. Italy wasn't it? Great story. I'm sitting here on lockdown looking at that Gamma and wondering whether I'll ever get to a point where I regret not buying it. |
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Post by dalmahoy on Apr 20, 2020 10:03:53 GMT 1
I bought my RG500 approx a year ago from an ex-moto GP factory rider. Admit I paid over the odds at the time but the bikes history added to the appeal. I sold a car that wasn't being used and depreciating daily and wanted a bit of fun with the money. I'm sure I read about that in a magazine, or online, or somewhere. Italy wasn't it? Great story. I'm sitting here on lockdown looking at that Gamma and wondering whether I'll ever get to a point where I regret not buying it. Aye - it was Imola Italy. There and back in three days. |
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 3, 2020 10:42:55 GMT 1
Still looking at these, and the RC30/45's, as well as a load of other stuff. I had a bunch of trips planned but they've all been cancelled, I can't do my normal buying of bits and pieces that keep me occupied and I'm often sat twiddling my thumbs of an evening without much to focus on. Being bored looks like it's going to have a detrimental affect on my bank balance |
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Post by icarus001 on Jul 3, 2020 11:21:33 GMT 1
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