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Post by JonW on Jul 30, 2021 1:40:33 GMT 1
The only one I've seen in the flesh is the one I test drove in April.... A rare bird indeed I actually saw a transporter with two white bug eye scoobies and a mitsubishi sports wagon? Going to bruntingthorpe on the way home Haha, see what i mean!?!? Bloody common as muck those Scoobys haha. but then they have been around for 25 years and sold in their tens of thousands. Wonder what that sports wagon was? One of those Evo engined estates perhaps? There is a following for those here. Im no wagon fan, but plenty of Aussies are, they must have the need for space more than I ever do lol. Here I see at least one GRY most days. I do live in a busy city (well when not locked down, its a bit quieter now) and just off a major arterial road so perhaps its expected considering my location, but even when they had just come out I was seeing them when we headed out of town and guys were doing the same to get to some more interesting roads and the local impromptu Sunday car meets. They are not 'plentiful' but not mega rare. They do blend in well with modern traffic tho, easy to miss... I hope the cops say the same lol A quick one on the delivery dates... In the UK I think its the CoP (Convenience Pack) that seem to be coming through more quickly as compared to the CiP (Circuit Pack). I say this as on the UK GRY forum there are a bunch of guys this week saying theyve had their CiP cars delayed from sept-ish to Jan or may 22 and are not happy at all about it. FWIW news is starting to filter down that if you order now (it's a wait list space, not an actual order so interesting dealers are taking deposits really) that delivery is scheduled to be... {drumroll} June 2023! Two years wait is a very very long time. The automotive landscape will be quite different then I would think, will the GRY still be the hot ticket and 'what you wanted' I wonder if you order now? Im still convinced that the GRY has done its job and that Toyota will move on. This is a slow (and therefore expensive) car to build compared to normal production cars. As a volume manufacturer this is essentially losing them money. With the GR Corolla waiting in the wings there seems little reason to continue to essentially lose money on the GRY builds when the PR drive that the GRY was the pointy end for has been done now and the next models are coming thick and fast with the GRC and GR86. Ok the GRC may not be quite what a GRY is no matter what they do to lighten it, but it will pick up a lot of the interest i bet. There is chatter it will have the GRY drivetrain, but my money has always been on it being a Golf Gti competitor and will be a normal Corolla shell not a weight-loss special like the GRY etc. Nice and easy to make on the normal production line... So, I could be wrong but I just dont see why they would continue with the GRY, big biz needs to move on. The GRY is old school. If there is one, the next 'GRY' will likely be electric or a hybrid as thats where WRC is heading, if toyota still want to use a GRY in WRC even. And, well the petrol GRY is 'so 2019'... haha. Probably its more 'so 2000' really, well a modern version of a WRX/EVO has to be right?! Thats why we love it, but its not exactly on message in these times lol. Anyway, luckily Murp and I ordered when we did, the next 8 weeks will slip by fast i bet. Ive just got to work out what things i need to order and have shipped for when it lands... some front mudflaps seem to be needed as the stones chip the sides of the car without them and perhaps some PPF and a small dash mat to hold my phone, maybe a mirror riser... best get the wallet out! What are you getting Murp?
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Post by murp on Jul 30, 2021 10:21:11 GMT 1
I think those delayed ones you speak of on the gry forum were optimistic delivery dates given by a specific dealer network, who now can't backup what they promised.... I've not decided on any mods yet .... Will rethink once I get it in the flesh.... Quite fancy that center armrest that you can get.... First purchase will be a steering wheel lock as mine will live outside on my driveway.... May also invest in a car cover to keep the worst of the weather off and hide it to the casual passers by..... Not to keen on the looks of those rally flaps, but might be a necessity..... Also probably will invest in ppf for the black piano finish plastic on the tailgate
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Post by JonW on Jul 30, 2021 13:53:35 GMT 1
You could well be right about the dates for the CiPs, most of them were on dealer group. Would really suck to be one of those customers tho. sigh.
I hear you on the cover, especially if left in view. The arm rest did look good, I saw two types actually one that bolts to the seat and one that sits in the center console. Both decent quality tho.
The flaps im only getting as they are needed for the stone chips. Its crazy that Toyota scalloped the sides out and then made the tyre sit in that gap, no end of dirt and stones is going to be flicked up and hit the car sides for sure. I ordered the Rallyflapz, may just fit the fronts and leave the backs off. Will see. Ive always hated the look of mudflaps, but not seeing much of a way round it.
The black finish is a worry. The Aussie sun kills plastic parts even when painted, im sure these piano black parts will look terrible in a few years all swirled.
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Post by donkeychomp on Aug 6, 2021 19:00:47 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Aug 6, 2021 19:07:14 GMT 1
Gorgeous but what are you going to do with it? Drive it, it devalues, sit and look at it? I donβt see the point at all. Chancer at that price.
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Post by steve h on Aug 6, 2021 21:40:14 GMT 1
If I was a rich man, Id buy that and set fire to it, I hate cars. Anyhow, I haven't got a pot to slash in, so its back to fiddling on the roof.....
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Post by veg on Aug 6, 2021 22:08:45 GMT 1
Tevye shalom .
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Post by JonW on Aug 7, 2021 0:20:53 GMT 1
Im with Veg on this, its now useless as a car just like all those zero mile LCs in boxes Padgetts used to sell.
I will add that ive seen it before, its been for sale for a while now and still unsold... obviously not priced right lol
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Post by veg on Aug 7, 2021 7:50:58 GMT 1
The only difference is Jon those new lcβs were selling for Β£7000, my how we laughed, 7 grand for a 250 Lc whoβd pay that.
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Post by JonW on Aug 7, 2021 13:41:03 GMT 1
The only difference is Jon those new lcβs were selling for Β£7000, my how we laughed, 7 grand for a 250 Lc whoβd pay that. Yes but today they would be asking Β£20k... same/same but different.
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Post by JonW on Aug 9, 2021 3:46:46 GMT 1
I see there was quite a good article in Evo magazine this month (issue 289) where they compared the GRY vs the i20N and Fiesta ST Limited Edition. I enjoyed the article as I guess like quite a few of those buying these cars, I cut my teeth on FWD hot hatches which i discovered after old RWD British 70s (sports-ish) cars. I drove a lot of hot hatches over the years, either mine or my mates' or just test drives and loaners lol Some of what he says about the way the 120N drives makes me miss my Mk2 Golf and its ilk, then he goes on to talk about the way the GRY drives and that reminds me of what i discovered when I moved to the Scooby in 2000 and fell in love with AWD. The line about lifting the front wheel instead of the rear wheel in full on cornering certainly resonated with me. Apologies for the link to the GRY forum, but this pics of the article pages are on there for those keen to read it. Its a good read over a cup of coffee I thought. gr-yaris.co.uk/forum/threads/evo-magazine-289-gr-vs-i20n-vs-fiesta-st-edition.4059/
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Post by LC_BOTT on Aug 9, 2021 8:40:37 GMT 1
I'm still waiting to jump in with 'spotted a Yaris GR today' but nothing seen round here yet
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Post by JonW on Aug 9, 2021 8:41:26 GMT 1
I'm still waiting to jump in with 'spotted a Yaris GR today' but nothing seen round here yet Haha, Ive read the same on the GRY forum from the UK posters. Theyre all over here in Sydney :/
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Post by JonW on Aug 26, 2021 1:32:26 GMT 1
This was mildly interesting, Autocar this week apparently did some comparison tests with the premise of 'what if you had Β£x to spend and didnt have/want to buy a new car...'. Ive not seen the rest of the magazine, just this test as it this was posted on the GRY forum: Ok, Im not sure I believe this is a genuine 'this or that' test really, but it is a little thought provoking. Not least as Veg just did this with his choice of car. Once you work out how much you actually need a new car you can work out if an older one will do. I think his choice of the TVR was superb, but then I am a huge TVR fan and would love another one. Of course the GRY is only the subject of this article because its the darling on the new car press at the mo, this could easily (and perhaps I should say 'usually') have been some kind of fast Golf, but VW seem to have saddled the Mk8 with enough flaws and of course Toyota produced the GRY 'from nowhere' and it is genuinely good, focused and as such is compromised as a daily for many. To me the beauty of the GRY is that its modern. Can be left on the drive and driven daily. Parts are easy to get and the main dealer network can service it. I'm not sure you can say that of a 15 year old supercar going forwards. If i was looking for something to drive infrequently as 'a similar car that was similar money', surely I'd just compare it to one of the nicer low miles (now classic) Scoobys/Evos for sale on Pistonheads, but I guess the R8 was more of a headline grabber and a bit out of left field for the writer. The beauty of the older Evo/Scooby is that its unlikely to lose you money as its already reached the bottom of the depreciation curve and come back up (covid tax notwithstanding), no one yet knows what that curve will look like with any new car. Tho it does sound like the GRY might weather that storm somewhat better than normal cars due to today's inequality of supply/demand, the imminent death of petrol cars and the driver limiting aids appearing from 2022. That said, while I'd never own another 2000+ VAG product, I'd like to have a go in an R8 one day...
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Post by veg on Aug 26, 2021 13:21:34 GMT 1
Servicing and running costs are a major consideration That always has to factor in to the ownership experience. The Yaris should be relatively straight forward i should imagine although I suspect there will be either nominated technicians to service them and maybe an increased hourly rate? I decided to go with the TVR as itβs straight forward and simple, plus the owner of TVR power is a personal friend. The fuel consumption is far from great but thatβs something I planned for. Iβm also lucky in that Iβm no longer required to do big miles for work, we have a lovely family car, and my son has a little polo if needed. I did daily drive my 997 C4S for a fair few years but the service costs were horrendous average about Β£1200-1500 or service the tyres were Β£500 each but it was a useable every day car so much so I sold my Subaru Legacy estate as I never used it. As you know Jon I nearly went for the golf Gti club sport but veered away in the end. Frankly the best decision Iβve made. However I am ever so slightly envious of you soon to be GR owners. Itβll be interesting to see if they do become daily drivers or end up being weekends only cars.
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Post by JonW on Aug 27, 2021 1:35:24 GMT 1
I agree, servicing and other running costs (insurance for one) are always a consideration. Like all 'projects' in this world there is always budget initially for purchase and sundries, but getting money together later is much less appealing when its for ongoing maintenance etc. The bills for big services and new tyres always seems to hurt, not least as almost always the vehicle isnt worth any extra for doing them. :/ I do think the Rover V8 engined TVRs make a superb ownership experience, while the chassis rust can be an issue there are simpler electrics and the engine is well known having been in all sorts of UK cars for years, so pretty much anyone can service or rebuild it. The later cars are less good in that respect. I cant imagine what rebuilding an Audi V10 would be like, its not like a backstreet garage would/could do it. Agree that buying a car like the TVR and an extent the R8 in this article is a purchase that most people can only make if they dont need a daily as such, certainly not one that needs to do regular high miles. I do think the GRY does fit a bit into that space as well in many ways, no sound proofing and subframes solidly mounted to the body are not conducive to long motorway journeys etc. It also has a tiny boot and its not that easy to see out the back window plus the back of the car (including the axle) is wider than the front which is worth watching out for when parking as those BBS forged alloys on the CiP / Rallye cars cost something criminal (Ive seen quotes of Β£1600 each! partly used sets of 4 are Β£4-5k online!) from Toyota if you kerb them. While it did initially seem a strange one, I'm left wondering if the comparison with the R8 in the article isnt quite that weird. You have to make a conscious decision to buy a GRY and live with its compromises, its a driver focused car not a modern hot hatch. If you want luxury and cosseted comfort with above-average handling and a turn of speed youd just buy one of the many cars that offer that in the Golf GTI mould, if your main want is a love of driving you buy the GRY and to say a partial 'to hell' with the cosseting in the same way you might pick the CSL version of an M3 etc. I'm sure ive said before but I made a deal with my wife to always have a modern car on the driveway so that we had one car that it was possible to just jump in and drive at a moments notice, not all older cars offer that experience and foibles that I could live when I love a car, dont always translate to what my wife might accept. If we lived further out we would have a car each, but we are well served by trains here and neither of us use a car for work. In fact our mileage is super low, scarily at times. The WRX is 5.5 years old and has 33k kms on it, thats just about 20k miles. I would have done that in about a year in the uk... So yes the GRY will be our modern / everyday car. It'll sit on our driveway and be ready to be used at a moments notice to hit the shops or the winding roads 20mins out of town. It wont do huge miles, but it will be used regularly. Not long now for either me or Murp to get our cars, 4-5 weeks and the pics will appear on here
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Post by donkeychomp on Aug 27, 2021 21:20:11 GMT 1
Don't get me wrong, an R8 parked outside would be wonderful, but if I had the choice I'd have the Yaris.
Alex
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Aug 27, 2021 21:35:06 GMT 1
To be honest I wouldn't want an R8 on the drive
More chance you will answer the door and find a bloke in a ski mask and a sawn off βΉ
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Aug 27, 2021 21:37:48 GMT 1
Anyway Jon, stop rubbing in your impending new car arrival π
My new Mondeo has a delivery date of 17th Dec βΉ
Makes it worse I killed my old one yesterday π
Steve
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Post by murp on Aug 27, 2021 22:00:49 GMT 1
Getting mine 1st October apparently.... Getting real now
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Post by JonW on Aug 28, 2021 0:08:45 GMT 1
Anyway Jon, stop rubbing in your impending new car arrival π My new Mondeo has a delivery date of 17th Dec βΉ Makes it worse I killed my old one yesterday π Steve Hey any new car that is ordered is great in these times, they are pretty hard to secure no matter what they are. Getting mine 1st October apparently.... Getting real now Wahoo! Ive no date yet, but it should be within a few days of you. First to get a pic up has bragging rights! haha Have you bought anything yet for yours? I was tempted with some bits of protection film but instead opted for the mudflaps. Id had film on a Lotus and the chips always seemed to be just outside the film or leaving marks in the film itself. It was 20 years ago tho, so maybe the film is better now? I will highly likely get a mirror riser, there is a company locally who does them but in the UK Godspeed does them. That's who i had the huge brakes for my scooby in the pics on here, back in the early 00s of course. Ian is a good chap, his brakes were simply awesome!
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Post by JonW on Aug 28, 2021 1:55:17 GMT 1
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Post by murp on Aug 28, 2021 13:56:29 GMT 1
I've just bought a stoplock pro elite and a Halfords car cover, which I may or may not use..... Contemplating rallyflapz, but will probably wait till it arrives... Over on the gry forum , lots seem to be going for ppf, but I can't justify the cost of that,.... May lanoguard the underside though π
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Post by donkeychomp on Aug 28, 2021 21:19:00 GMT 1
What's a mirror riser Jon?
Alex
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Post by JonW on Aug 29, 2021 0:22:54 GMT 1
What's a mirror riser Jon? Alex Good question Alex, Im so used to GRY stuff that I never consider people dont know what im talking about. Its a small wedge shaped spacer (usually CNC alloy or 3D printed) that fits where the mirror bolts onto the car. This angles the pivot arm of the mirror back slightly and also upwards, raising the mirror. This lifts the top edge of the mirror to the ceiling, a good few cm lift, giving you more front screen real estate to peer out of. One thing people have complained about in the GRY is the huge (way bigger than needed as there is a tiny rear window to look out of) standard mirror. It, coupled with the Nav screen, conspire to eat up your forward view and provide you a sort of 'letter box' in the middle of the car and across the left side of the screen. You cant shift the ICE screen down, but you can swap the mirror (less easy but it seems it is possible) or you can move the mirror upwards to get more room. This view is also hampered by Toyota's decision to fit seats that sit you quite high, had they been say 2" lower the mirror would be above you and not a factor. The seats were done this way for the rally homologation for the towers they bolt to and while people mention it on first drive, they soon forget about it ive found when speaking to owners. You cant fit the seat height without resorting to different seats, but you can raise the mirror, quickly and easily for 50 quid. Some people file the area around the ball joint of the mirror to allow more height but the simplest is to fit a mirror riser which also means you dont mess with any other parts.
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Post by donkeychomp on Aug 29, 2021 21:22:43 GMT 1
Aha! Thanks Jon. I was wondering if it was some sort of James Bond gadget where it sinks into the dash and then rises up to become a target scanner for the front mounted weapons...
Alex
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Post by JonW on Aug 29, 2021 23:36:34 GMT 1
Haha, no. Its a GRY, not some posh mota. Not too many frivolous things fitted to one of these, unless its a modern safety feature that you turn off before driving lol
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Post by JonW on Aug 30, 2021 3:47:35 GMT 1
This should be an interesting series, restoration of a P1 - the best UK delivered classic Scooby imho.
more to come...
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next!
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Post by donkeychomp on Sept 8, 2021 21:34:28 GMT 1
Driving home from work today and in front of me (in a traffic jam) was a GR! White with a black (carbon?) dished roof. I was amazed at how wide it was, the arches were huge and the tyres were pretty massive too.
Alex
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Post by JonW on Sept 9, 2021 0:19:52 GMT 1
Driving home from work today and in front of me (in a traffic jam) was a GR! White with a black (carbon?) dished roof. I was amazed at how wide it was, the arches were huge and the tyres were pretty massive too. Alex Haha, yep thats the one Alex. Its not very 'small car' sized. Looks it in the pics when its on its own, but when you see it next to something you know the size of you soon realise its quite large and very wide. The rear track is wider than the front as well. Yep the roof is carbon on a GRY - to help keep weight down; not just lower in kgs, but lower down in the car itself ie lower centre of gravity. Interesting fact: Its actually forged carbon and Toyota chose to cover it up with a pretty average looking carbon effect wrap. Yeah, dont ask me why, ive no idea. Guys have been having that wrap peeled off and having clear painted over the actual carbon. It looks great... but cos its forged some non car people have suggested it does look a bit like a cheap 'marble effect' kitchen worktop. I guess thats the price of 'cool', not everyone gets it. I'll be keeping my wrap on for now, help protect the carbon from the UV. Here is a pic of the wrap being removed. The carbon then usually has something like 7 coats of clear, sanding and then PPF to protect that. a lot fo work, but it is cool... (if you like kitchen worktops lol) (I'd love to do this to mine really... but ouch its exy to have done) Full transformation done professionally:
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