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Post by abar121 on Feb 20, 2024 17:17:07 GMT 1
That is an exceptional price regardless of the Indian tank. It's making some of the current advertised prices seriously too high? Look at the pictures, it needs a fortune investing into it to make it a decent bike, it needs the frame repairing/section replacing amongst other things. Engine has been rebuilt which I'd question the quality given that he hasn't bothered to refresh the paint, there's more wrong with it than right and that's just from the pictures and what you can see, it usually turns out far worse in the metal. Yep, no bargain that's for sure.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 20, 2024 17:40:53 GMT 1
As a parts bike it's a decent price but as others have said as a resto it's a money pit to make it good but hey don't they all
Steve
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Post by tippy on Feb 22, 2024 8:48:25 GMT 1
As a parts bike it's a decent price but as others have said as a resto it's a money pit to make it good but hey don't they all Steve It’s the hope that kills you!
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Post by masonmart on Feb 22, 2024 10:16:09 GMT 1
As a parts bike it's a decent price but as others have said as a resto it's a money pit to make it good but hey don't they all Steve Steve At the top of the market I bought an F1 in bits, unseen but part restored and "nothing missing Guv, honest", an N1 Guv, honest, but actually a naked F1 with LC2 front end. I paid £4500 for it and around £10k since in missing parts and additional restoration including complete engine rebuild and not finished yet. I'm still looking for another one and it seems to me that the bike which sold for £1850 was infinitely better value than the one that I wasted my money on, far more representative of the way that the price bubble is going. I don't worry a bit about the tank as there is nothing that can't be fixed or replaced even by a beginner like me. I would see money to be made breaking it for parts, a restored and recoated engine alone must be North of that?
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Post by steve63 on Feb 22, 2024 12:51:12 GMT 1
An engine at £1,000 would be snapped up even if it was completely unknown. At least this one is supposed to be a runner.
As always it depends who is doing the work. If you need or want to pay someone to do it then it will cost you a fortune. If you do it yourself then it's free. If I had to pay for the stuff I do myself then I would find something else to do. Messing with old bikes would not be the hobby for me.
I'm and old cynic so if someone says an engines been rebuilt, even if they showed me receipts, I'd still be very suspicious. It wouldn't be the first time a professionally rebuilt engine has been a can of worms would it? I'd probably rather have an un known engine at a vastly reduced price than paying for some dubious work done by someone else.
My R1 engine had been built by a workshop ran by an ex BSB rider but was full of bodges.
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Post by abar121 on Feb 22, 2024 15:12:52 GMT 1
The F1 is possibly my favourite RD of all. I love mine, which has been a rolling restoration from a similarly cheap Euro bike. It looked like a shed, but was actually very original just unloved.
They are one of the more expensive 350 LCs to fully restore, with the full fairing to paint, plus the added cost of replacing the PV / bushes and inevitably the CDI and or YPVS controller, scarcity of decent tanks etc.
But at least there isn't a pile of chrome to worry about, centre stands aren't ridiculously expensive or muddies. Plus they look great with 3 spoke wheels, like the 3HM1 and four pot calipers bolt right up.
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Post by Gunny on Feb 22, 2024 18:56:38 GMT 1
I'm still looking for another one Have you seen the 2 F1`s Norbo has for sale ?
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Post by jon on Feb 22, 2024 20:32:55 GMT 1
As a parts bike it's a decent price but as others have said as a resto it's a money pit to make it good but hey don't they all Steve Steve At the top of the market I bought an F1 in bits, unseen but part restored and "nothing missing Guv, honest", an N1 Guv, honest, but actually a naked F1 with LC2 front end. I paid £4500 for it and around £10k since in missing parts and additional restoration including complete engine rebuild and not finished yet. I'm still looking for another one and it seems to me that the bike which sold for £1850 was infinitely better value than the one that I wasted my money on, far more representative of the way that the price bubble is going. I don't worry a bit about the tank as there is nothing that can't be fixed or replaced even by a beginner like me. I would see money to be made breaking it for parts, a restored and recoated engine alone must be North of that? I thought you bought an F1 off Yogi in January? Jon
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Post by masonmart on Feb 23, 2024 2:07:19 GMT 1
Correct Jon, that will be a bike that I'll use though. The one that I have on the lift now is a hobby/learning build. I'm thinking of another project for when I finish it; I'm not sure what I'm looking for but my thoughts are a complete standard F1 or F2 that needs restoring mainly by hard work but at a price that reflects the reality of the market. The stuff on ebay isn't there yet but then again nothing on there is selling. They are the best current project bike as there are many around, parts are available (at rocketing prices) and they are good to work on. Most important they are a great bike. Ideally, what I really want is for somebody to sell me a bike that they have started to restore, is basically complete but, for whatever reason, they aren't in a position to finish.
The problem with my bike on the ramp is that it is really a "nothing" bike, neither standard nor an interesting hybrid and the "part renovations" done, especially the coatings, are poor quality. Looks good but when you have put it together you know every bit that isn't right. The real quality way forward (see Zen and the Art), would be to complete it, disassemble it and then remake it as perfect as it can be as a mongrel. I'm not interested in noisy pipes, larger engine, raised and empty rear ends or anything to make it look like a racing bike. The bikes are superb as standard for me and perform as well as they need to as a 40 year old bike on modern roads and treated with the mechanical sympathy that they so deserve. Maybe modern front forks and brakes? But why? The standard kit is actually very good.
MM
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Post by masonmart on Feb 23, 2024 2:22:38 GMT 1
I'm still looking for another one Have you seen the 2 F1`s Norbo has for sale ? Where are they advertised?
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Post by masonmart on Feb 23, 2024 3:53:39 GMT 1
The F1 is possibly my favourite RD of all. I love mine, which has been a rolling restoration from a similarly cheap Euro bike. It looked like a shed, but was actually very original just unloved. They are one of the more expensive 350 LCs to fully restore, with the full fairing to paint, plus the added cost of replacing the PV / bushes and inevitably the CDI and or YPVS controller, scarcity of decent tanks etc. But at least there isn't a pile of chrome to worry about, centre stands aren't ridiculously expensive or muddies. Plus they look great with 3 spoke wheels, like the 3HM1 and four pot calipers bolt right up. I agree Alan, I love the F1 and F2. The fairings are a massive plus too and, if I could, I'd put my "naked" project bike back to faired standard in a second if it weren't so bloody difficult to find fairing parts.
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Post by Gunny on Feb 23, 2024 19:23:08 GMT 1
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Post by tippy on Feb 25, 2024 10:41:42 GMT 1
I have been and collected it, over all i'm pretty pleased! Yes, its's ugly and will need some love etc but it is much better in person than I expected. The chap had done a lot of work on it and had used a lot of bits from Yambits, we all know some are good, some aren't. The tank that came with it will repair very easily, the repair around the side stand is nothing like as bad as i feared, it has a centre stand, matching frame and engine numbers, started second kick, has all the relevant paperwork and I had a lovely ride down the country and enjoyed Somerset! I will get some pics of it posted.
It wants going through from front to back but I want to finish my 421 hybrid first so it will be on the sidelines for a while, i will just do what is necessary to get it mot'd for getting it registered initially.
In other news I have a beautiful nearly new aftermarket tank for sale, it has been "fitted" to the bike and has had fuel in it but otherwise is like new! Offers?
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Post by steve63 on Feb 25, 2024 18:58:45 GMT 1
How much fuel? I'd say it's worth about £1.50 x however many litres of fuel is in it 😁
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Post by tippy on Feb 25, 2024 19:06:42 GMT 1
How much fuel? I'd say it's worth about £1.50 x however many litres of fuel is in it 😁 Aww crap. I drained the fuel out of it!
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Post by steve63 on Feb 25, 2024 19:14:21 GMT 1
My opinion is that the F1 is the best version of the power valve. The F2 has lighter wheels and is lighter overall but I think Yamaha took a step backwards with the engine. It's claimed to have more power as standard but we never saw any evidence of that in real life. Stick the F2 wheels and mabe forks on an F1 and you have the bike Yamaha should have made.
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Post by JonW on Feb 26, 2024 2:01:01 GMT 1
My opinion is that the F1 is the best version of the power valve. The F2 has lighter wheels and is lighter overall but I think Yamaha took a step backwards with the engine. It's claimed to have more power as standard but we never saw any evidence of that in real life. Stick the F2 wheels and mabe forks on an F1 and you have the bike Yamaha should have made. I agree with you Steve. I was going to do that with my F1 15 years back... and Ive never finished the bike as I later went OEM with it. I was going to finish the wheels polished and black like the F1s and also fitted the later footrests as they are prettier and more '500'esque which is what the F1 aped when it was new. (FWIW I dont think the forks are any better on the F2 really are they?)
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Post by steve63 on Feb 27, 2024 13:11:45 GMT 1
My opinion is that the F1 is the best version of the power valve. The F2 has lighter wheels and is lighter overall but I think Yamaha took a step backwards with the engine. It's claimed to have more power as standard but we never saw any evidence of that in real life. Stick the F2 wheels and mabe forks on an F1 and you have the bike Yamaha should have made. I agree with you Steve. I was going to do that with my F1 15 years back... and Ive never finished the bike as I later went OEM with it. I was going to finish the wheels polished and black like the F1s and also fitted the later footrests as they are prettier and more '500'esque which is what the F1 aped when it was new. (FWIW I dont think the forks are any better on the F2 really are they?) You know, I don't actually know about the forks. Are they the exactly the same? They were black on the F1 I think. The F2 had a badge on them saying variable damper didn't it? The ones I have are F2. At some point I'm going to fit them and the wheels to an LC but it might not be this decade . I had the stantions re-chromed along with 2 sets of 4L0 as part of a multi-buy deal with Philpots
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Post by JonW on Feb 27, 2024 13:27:52 GMT 1
I agree with you Steve. I was going to do that with my F1 15 years back... and Ive never finished the bike as I later went OEM with it. I was going to finish the wheels polished and black like the F1s and also fitted the later footrests as they are prettier and more '500'esque which is what the F1 aped when it was new. (FWIW I dont think the forks are any better on the F2 really are they?) You know, I don't actually know about the forks. Are they the exactly the same? They were black on the F1 I think. The F2 had a badge on them saying variable damper didn't it? The ones I have are F2. At some point I'm going to fit them and the wheels to an LC but it might not be this decade . I had the stantions re-chromed along with 2 sets of 4L0 as part of a multi-buy deal with Philpots They both say 'variable damper', but there are some different internals and the stantion is different as the top cap isnt the same etc.
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Post by yamman1066 on Feb 27, 2024 13:32:05 GMT 1
lc one eBay item number:355496474441
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 27, 2024 13:52:09 GMT 1
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Post by tippy on Feb 27, 2024 16:34:31 GMT 1
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Post by yamman1066 on Feb 27, 2024 17:39:11 GMT 1
n.o.s ? eBay item number:196267183304
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 27, 2024 17:46:45 GMT 1
Feck off, that's Indian shite
Steve
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Post by lcmarky on Feb 27, 2024 17:48:51 GMT 1
Good Grief that is awful...
Any 'dealer' surely would have to put that right? Slippy bikes seems an apt name.
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Post by LC_BOTT on Feb 27, 2024 17:53:07 GMT 1
Ha ha, Just been looking at that, where is 'manufacturers original packing' A sticky label someone's written something on I think it's called Artistic license.
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Post by urbantangleweed on Feb 27, 2024 18:45:41 GMT 1
Feck off, that's Indian shite Steve It doesn't look "too" bad, until you see the underside and then it's 😮 What a pile of 💩. Seller has 1448 feedbacks and has a rating of 100% positive. That's going down if some poor sap buys this from him......
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Post by urbantangleweed on Feb 27, 2024 18:47:49 GMT 1
Ha ha, Just been looking at that, where is 'manufacturers original packing' A sticky label someone's written something on I think it's called Artistic license. Maybe it's the 2 micron thick "primer"
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 27, 2024 18:54:49 GMT 1
It's the best one I've seen 🤣
Steve
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Post by mouse on Feb 27, 2024 19:01:55 GMT 1
n.o.s ? eBay item number:196267183304 He is quite crafty in that he doesn't say 'GENUINE NOS' just NOS, if he really thought that was a genuine NOS tank, i think he may be asking more than £200! Seems it could catch out the unweary, not nice Mouse
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