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Post by sheep911uk on Dec 19, 2023 8:24:13 GMT 1
I am going to be stripping and re assembling a bike for the first time is there a guide anywhere to this ie what order to strip down and what order to re assemble ? Thank you
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Post by dusty350 on Dec 19, 2023 8:37:05 GMT 1
Take lots of digital pics as you go. Of everything ! You'll be surprised how much you refer to them, especially if it's the first time you've done it. I tend to get as much off the bike as possible whilst it's on it's wheels - easier to move it around. Bag parts up as you go to keep them complete. Make a list for repair/replace/clean/repaint etc as you remove bits. Engine is a project in it's own right but the rules are the same - pics, bags, list etc. Spend time in the resto section - loads of great builds in there
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Post by dusty350 on Dec 19, 2023 8:46:08 GMT 1
Just to add, it's often easier to loosen off the front sprocket nut whilst the chain is on and the bike complete, unless you have a rattle gun ! Take lots of pics of the loom run too (assuming it's been fitted correctly already), as that can often trip guys up when refitting, and can be awkward to rectify if you've already started rebuilding. You can put coloured tape on the loom at key points so you know where it needs to be sited in relation to frame tubes and components etc. Any fasteners that look corroded should get some Wd40 or something like it well in advance of removal to save on potential issues
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Post by naich on Dec 19, 2023 12:26:20 GMT 1
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Post by JonW on Dec 19, 2023 12:45:18 GMT 1
Have a really good read around on here. Also search this topic, people have discussed airboxes and wiring looms as first things back on the frame etc.
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Dec 19, 2023 15:09:37 GMT 1
Agreed, lots of good build threads on here with pictures and comments etc just have a good look through the 'restorations' directory.
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Post by sheep911uk on Dec 19, 2023 15:19:12 GMT 1
Thanks all
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Post by chrisg on Dec 19, 2023 17:28:42 GMT 1
There are some nuts in the engine (clutch.crank) that can be difficult without a rattle gun and a holding tool. Also, I marked all the electrical terminals with a piece of masking tape marked with a sharpie pen. Bag all the assembly nuts/bolts in separate bags ie. All engine nuts/bolts. All brake components etc.... Personally I would leave the wheels on until later on in the strip, but everyone's different.
If in doubt ask. Good luck.
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Post by reedpete on Dec 19, 2023 20:00:14 GMT 1
If it’s your first time, preparation , notes, photos, labels are good…. But you must know that the elves WILL visit and move some of it about so that it makes no sense when you try to go back the other way… this is normal! FORTUNATELY, you found this place and you are among many who already have that T shirt, so asking the obvious questions ( no such thing as obvious) is to be anticipated and there are many who will, chime up with help. Very few folks figure it all out by themselves, back in the day, I certainly learned from watching and being shown by those who knew more. This forum is the next best thing.
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Post by chrisg on Dec 19, 2023 21:08:36 GMT 1
If it’s your first time, preparation , notes, photos, labels are good…. But you must know that the elves WILL visit and move some of it about so that it makes no sense when you try to go back the other way… this is normal! FORTUNATELY, you found this place and you are among many who already have that T shirt, so asking the obvious questions ( no such thing as obvious) is to be anticipated and there are many who will, chime up with help. Very few folks figure it all out by themselves, back in the day, I certainly learned from watching and being shown by those who knew more. This forum is the next best thing. There are also "tool elves" that will hide your 10mm socket and 13mm ring key, only returning them once you have purchased new ones. You've been warned.
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Post by steve h on Dec 19, 2023 21:15:14 GMT 1
A digital camera is a useful tool. I take pics during dismantling so I know where everything goes/came from. Maybe I should use it for taking pics of where I put my bleedin' glasses down!
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Post by chrisg on Dec 19, 2023 22:07:07 GMT 1
A digital camera is a useful tool. I take pics during dismantling so I know where everything goes/came from. Maybe I should use it for taking pics of where I put my bleedin' glasses down! and car keys😆
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Post by chrisg on Dec 20, 2023 11:49:33 GMT 1
Loads of info on youtube.
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Post by steve63 on Dec 20, 2023 14:23:25 GMT 1
I have a load of the zip up freezer bags in medium and large sizes to put the bits in. I also have a load of the storage boxes to put the bags in.
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Post by geoffers997 on Dec 20, 2023 16:47:51 GMT 1
I save the plastic containers (and their lids) that takeaways come in and use them for storing and cleaning parts in
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Post by chrisg on Dec 20, 2023 17:37:30 GMT 1
I use the plastic containers that chocolate celebrations/ heroes come in, marked up.
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Post by dusty350 on Dec 20, 2023 20:32:16 GMT 1
Clear freezer bags for me too, in various sizes, and take away tubs too. Ice cream tubs and choccy tubs for the bigger parts. I use old fuel for general cleaning of manky parts with old brushes to aid cleaning. Download a parts fiche if you dont already have one, or Fowlers have one on there online page. Read up on it as much as possible before starting - loads of info on the forum. Make yourself a cheap engine stand out of some timber offcuts - makes life a lot easier - and you can make a cheap bike stand out of timber for a few quid - great for when the wheels come off, and for building back up. Get booked up with Arrow now for the oil pump refurb - he's a busy boy
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Post by sheep911uk on Dec 20, 2023 23:46:41 GMT 1
Thanks All, feeling a lot more confident now. I’m still unsure of where to start and in what order to take bits off.
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Post by JonW on Dec 21, 2023 0:47:27 GMT 1
just start... It's said that the journey of 1000 miles starts with the first step. You'll work it out. 18 year olds worked on these bikes with no idea when they were new, all of us are older and wiser than those guys we used to be. Joking aside, you'll look back when youve built it back up and wonder why you were worried. Promise.
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Post by naich on Dec 21, 2023 11:38:28 GMT 1
just start... It's said that the journey of 1000 miles starts with the first step. You'll work it out. 18 year olds worked on these bikes with no idea when they were new, all of us are older and wiser than those guys we used to be. Joking aside, you'll look back when youve built it back up and wonder why you were worried. Promise. Yup. Get stuck in. The best way to see how something works is to take it apart, so take your time and get a feel for how it's all put together. Look at the way parts are designed and think about why they are that way.
If you encounter a problem, search this board or just google what the problem is and how other people fixed it. There is a colossal amount of knowledge on this board, so don't be afraid to use it.
Don't skimp on the basic tools - use a decent socket set, ring spanners and screwdrivers, and try to avoid using adjustable spanners. Never use pipe grips unless you are going to replace that part anyway. Good circlip pliers save a lot of stress.
WD40 is your friend for loosening nuts. Let it soak in for an hour. If still no joy, then use a hot air gun on the nut to expand it. These are good for rounded-off bolts - www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0BKSZBRBQ
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Post by darboots on Dec 21, 2023 11:58:20 GMT 1
Difficult to visualise without a bike in front of me, but I generally work like: Seat off. Bodywork off (including front mudguard, if possible - may need to remove front wheel.) Drain coolant, oil, and brake fluid Remove cooling system - hoses & radiator. Remove brakes - calipers and levers/master cyls. You can keep the calipers attached to hoses and m/cyls easily. Remove carbs and airbox, and 2T oil tank Remove instruments & cables Remove drive chain
Remove engine (trying to think...) Front forks next? Front wheel Handlebars Fork legs Steering yokes Rear wheel Rear swingarm
Rear suspension linkages Rear shock. Wiring harness. Somethng like that anyhow...
Surprisingly, it only took me about 2 to 3 hours to strip my 31K down like that. Taking my time too.
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Post by JonW on Dec 21, 2023 13:18:27 GMT 1
Ive stripped bikes into chunks on the sellers driveway and shoved the bits in my car, most sellers are either confused and wish you'd leave or bug you about how and what youre doing, both of these mean the process takes as short a time as possible. 10-15mins with a mate would see one of our bikes in chunks for working on later for sure... an hour on your own would work too. One stoned guy (and his weird mate) kept bugging me to get a free tattoo as he had all the gear set up in his garage... I worked faster that day... not quite gone in 60seconds, but close lol.
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Post by JonW on Dec 21, 2023 13:20:44 GMT 1
Oh and buy the correct puller for the flywheel... not sure if anyone has said that yet, but 3 legged pullers kill flywheels.
Youre an idiot if you cant spend a tenner to get the right tool for that. (said that a bunch of times and still standing by it of course)
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Post by reedpete on Jan 13, 2024 21:01:08 GMT 1
How’s the strip down going? And remember we all love photos!
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Post by sheep911uk on Jan 14, 2024 0:19:26 GMT 1
How’s the strip down going? And remember we all love photos! I’ve started, slow progress at the minute !!
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Post by 4l04ever on Jan 14, 2024 8:10:03 GMT 1
Make sure you use JIS screwdrivers and impact driver bits, as any original screws are not Philips or Posidrive.
What model bike?
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Post by sheep911uk on Jan 14, 2024 9:42:22 GMT 1
Make sure you use JIS screwdrivers and impact driver bits, as any original screws are not Philips or Posidrive. What model bike? It’s a 350 lc, it’s been stripped before as it’s got a red frame.
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Post by 4l04ever on Jan 14, 2024 10:16:01 GMT 1
When assembling, make sure you put the chain rubber on the swingarm before fitting. Make sure the swing arm swings freely once bolted in tight before fitting the inner mudguard and then the rear shock. Fit the air box before the engine.
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Post by jimblob on Jan 14, 2024 12:56:52 GMT 1
Don’t do what I did and use to much oil in the zip lock bags to prevent rusting. It ended up leaching out all the bags and all my Masking tape labels ended up in an oily pile at the bottom of the tub!!!
When you get to the rebuild phase watch out for Mr Haynes (brown YPVS manual) trying to catch you out in a few places. The main ones I found were….
Crank oil seal orientation (castelations should face bearing) Crank case top and bottom bolt torque settings (5 ft/lbs is way too low) Clutch centre nut torque is 65ft lbs not 47ft lbs!!!
I’m about 3/4 of the way through my rebuild so if you’ve got any questions shout up. I really must post some pics in the rebuild section.
Jim
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Post by reedpete on Jan 14, 2024 15:37:33 GMT 1
How’s the strip down going? And remember we all love photos! I’ve started, slow progress at the minute !! Glad you found some space .. might be cold for the next few days but wet is much worse than dry sunny cold.
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