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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Aug 30, 2023 8:42:17 GMT 1
The issue I see that points to it being a money making scheme rather than a genuine attempt to improve air quality is that it is a charge, not a penalty
It's not that they want to stop the more polluting vehicles in, its that they want money for it
That and the fact that it is set at a single rate with no repeat offending increase that companies and the rich can afford and the working man is "able" to pay
I read last night that companies or individuals can claim it against their tax return as it is a business travelling expense
So you are giving money to Kahn that should have been going in tax to fund everything else in the UK
Is all that money going to building housing, schools and the NHS? Think I know the answer
I know the Glasgow one is small but it's where it starts and the rest of the cities are following starting later this year. There is no option with repeatedly getting increasing penalties, it would bankrupt you
Saw last week that in the first month of operating Glasgow City Council had to spend 95 grand hiring vehicles as they had so many non compliant ones they can't use anymore
Do you think the London councils are doing that and upgrading their fleets or just spending £12.50 a day for each non compliant vehicle out your council tax money
It's a sham, Heathrow will be pumping more into the air than all the cars in London
Steve
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Post by dusty350 on Aug 30, 2023 9:32:25 GMT 1
Exactly my point regards Heathrow Steve. And it's not just the aircraft. How many vehicles and generators on the ground that supply the planes and the airport in general ? They will all be diesels, some quite old no doubt.
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Aug 30, 2023 12:56:43 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 30, 2023 12:56:43 GMT 1
Thousands haven't paid the Birmingham Caz (clean air zone ) charge, and the money has been written off as unrecoverable.
That zone just affects the city center within the inner ring road, which I have no problem with, much like the original congestion charge for London, it's this expansion, which sets a bad precedent for other schemes like Brum's, which is not needed for it's laughably stated clean air agenda, it's a money grab, and should be exposed for what it is.
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Aug 30, 2023 13:14:29 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Aug 30, 2023 13:14:29 GMT 1
Is the ulez different to the congestion charge? Or if you pay the congestion you Will possibly have to pay ulez as well? As I’m looking and if I were to take my car into central London they would want both? £32.50?
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Aug 30, 2023 14:06:53 GMT 1
Post by cb250g5 on Aug 30, 2023 14:06:53 GMT 1
Is the ulez different to the congestion charge? Or if you pay the congestion you Will possibly have to pay ulez as well? As I’m looking and if I were to take my car into central London they would want both? £32.50? Oh yes they are different & administered separately. My Tesla is ULEZ compliant (obvs) I don't need to do owt, I can just drive through. Presumably the cameras are linked to the DVLA. If I want to go into the congestion zone, I need to pay a tenner to apply to prove it's actually electric and therefore exempt. (I don't know why it's exempt as it causes congestion just like any other car, but I don't make the rules). However until the civil servants agree it's exempt I have to pay the daily charge. Anecdotally the process takes somewhere between 7 days and 5 months. And needs to be repeated, including the £10, annually. So if I wanted to take it in, I better start at least 5 months in advance.
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Aug 30, 2023 15:12:05 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 30, 2023 15:12:05 GMT 1
Congestion charge everyone pays .
Ulez only charges you if your car is non compliant.
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Post by mouse on Aug 30, 2023 15:37:27 GMT 1
I have it on good authority from a trusted source, that the plan is to make all of London zero emissions within 4 years!
So, all the small business, all the people living in London, all the business's that look after vehicles with petrol/diesel engines, all the couriers and suppliers to business's in London, what happens to them if they cannot afford an overpriced scalextric car?
Maybe, the plan is to turn London into a ghost town, if so it's working.
What really bugs me is the people who could do something, aren't, we have a prime minister who says it's unfair and making life difficult for people and yet does nothing! I very much doubt any party will, they are all the same, self serving w**kers, out for themselves.
Also it will destroy our car industry, such as it is. This country does not have the facilities to build electric cars, for that you need 'giga factorys' (to produce the batteries), Europe has them, China has a lot we have none and on the subject of batteries, will someone please explain what happens tho these electric car batteries when they are finished? I don't believe all the components can be recycled, so?
And Finally! Half the electricity in this country is still generated by burning fossil fuels and they are wanting to demand more electricity, the demand will be enormous!
Mouse
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Post by gav250lc on Aug 30, 2023 15:43:00 GMT 1
I can’t wait to send a picture of my sons 1974 mini and my LC to mr Kahn and show him how we are going ulez complaint 😂 provided he can see it for the smoke 😵
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Aug 30, 2023 17:35:21 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 30, 2023 17:35:21 GMT 1
He was actually going to introduce a ZEZ (Zero emissions zone) but he dropped it.
No one knew anything about it until the paperwork was released confirming the back peddle.
This is actually from a report, commissioned by the mayor's department itself
the mayor set out 38 objectives for ULEZ. His own report found it would have some benefit in 5. no benefit in 11 and would be detrimental in 22
And yet he still ran with it .
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Aug 30, 2023 18:09:42 GMT 1
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Post by beardy on Aug 30, 2023 18:09:42 GMT 1
I was visiting friends in Gourock recently and wanted to go to Stirling but avoid Glasgow because of the charge. But hey, I can jump on the M-way that goes right through the city centre without paying and still causing “pollution” Same in Birmingham I guess
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Aug 30, 2023 18:22:26 GMT 1
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Post by cb250g5 on Aug 30, 2023 18:22:26 GMT 1
Congestion charge everyone pays . Ulez only charges you if your car is non compliant. EV's are exempt from the congestion charge, apart from the £10 application fee annually, until the end of 2025.
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Aug 30, 2023 19:31:35 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Aug 30, 2023 19:31:35 GMT 1
Congestion charge everyone pays . Ulez only charges you if your car is non compliant. EV's are exempt from the congestion charge, apart from the £10 application fee annually, until the end of 2025. I did initially state " EV aside " but wasn't confident, so edited it out. Should have more faith.
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Aug 30, 2023 21:46:19 GMT 1
Post by donkeychomp on Aug 30, 2023 21:46:19 GMT 1
Mouse...EV batteries are awful things. And about as green as a fleet of 747s. Mining the crap that goes in them causes a lot of acid rain and destroys the landscape where the mines are. Then that stuff is shipped to China to be turned into a gel. Then off to Japan to go into the battery that once it's dead has to be buried deep in concrete. And that will eventually leak into the ground. This is for just one car, the evil behemoth called the Toyota Prius. And let's face it this is all a con. I'd say about 90% of the population can't afford an electric car so what is the f**king point? To get us all to use public transport and outside of major cities it's a joke...and way more expensive that using a car.
Anyone seen the film 'V'? I'd like to see that become a reality.
Alex
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Post by JOHN-DYNOSTAR on Aug 31, 2023 8:59:50 GMT 1
please watch this video . it may save someone a lot of money
his 1st one was in 2020
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Aug 31, 2023 18:04:53 GMT 1
Post by brigitte on Aug 31, 2023 18:04:53 GMT 1
So these morons measure the NOx level, CO and HC do not matter? I can't believe it!
A twostroke could achieve this without modifikation.
Brigitte
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Aug 31, 2023 18:13:05 GMT 1
Post by JOHN-DYNOSTAR on Aug 31, 2023 18:13:05 GMT 1
yes its something to do with measuring parts per million but if you have more millions than parts it passes a two stroke should do that no probs as it has many millions :-) unless I misunderstood the videos
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Sept 1, 2023 14:16:08 GMT 1
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Post by veg on Sept 1, 2023 14:16:08 GMT 1
510 crimes of cameras being damaged or removed in last 6 months. 2023 poll tax riots? Hardly surprising.
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Post by rigga on Sept 1, 2023 14:37:17 GMT 1
Good on the "Blade runners "
Always a tipping point when the people say that enoughs enough.
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Sept 1, 2023 17:05:17 GMT 1
Post by JOHN-DYNOSTAR on Sept 1, 2023 17:05:17 GMT 1
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Sept 13, 2023 8:23:29 GMT 1
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Post by keith101 on Sept 13, 2023 8:23:29 GMT 1
I can remember walking into a busy pub of an evening. And there would be a haze of smoke. I come home and everything had to go in the wash and I'd need a shower because of the smell in my hair. And what's more I'd never smoked. Then talk of a smoking ban, people were up in arms. Pubs and restaurants would go out of business,smokers would stop going. Tax went even higher on cigarettes. A crisis in the making. And now ? Businesses survived, smokers still go to pubs and in the meantime thousands of lives have been saved from unnecessary suffering. That's just what ULEZ aims to do.
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Sept 13, 2023 11:12:27 GMT 1
Post by stusco on Sept 13, 2023 11:12:27 GMT 1
£12.50 wont stop anybody from entering (it’s probably the price of a coffee down south)its just another stealth tax so it won’t help anyones lungs
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Post by geoffers997 on Sept 13, 2023 12:24:07 GMT 1
I’m confused. The number of vehicles that are impacted seems a hotly debated topic; only 1 in 10 according to the Mayor, the RAC says that there are 700,000 cars registered in the zone that are non-compliant. Making a like for like judgement on what the real number actually is is difficult.
Either way, the number appears small; how is such a small number of vehicles going to make such a big difference to air quality?
I’m all in favour of cleaner city air - a trip to Bangkok a few years back triggered my long dormant asthma and I had a miserable time.
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Post by alankelly on Sept 13, 2023 14:07:21 GMT 1
Sad to say it but the ULEZ and the 15 min cities is the way the UK is heading and worse is to come Me and Donna have grown tired of everything here in the Uk with the corrupt government and other stuff. So we have decided rather than moan once my son is in Uni and is settled we are seriously thing of this move to Normandie France as settling there for good (become permanent French citizen) as we can sell up here for £350k + as the mortgage will be paid and then get a place back out in the country (I grew up on a farm) with a barn to house my printers and maybe a lathe and mill etc and start up a small retirement engineering business (plus as I will still be in my 50’s there are a few engineering companies I feel I could work for too and would make the move easier due to visa requirements till I am ready to quite work for good) Here is a taster of what you can get for your money when houses are a sensible price and have not been inflated by years of greedy banks just lending irresponsibly 😳 suzanneinfrance.com/listing/authentic-country-farmhouse-with-beautiful-views/It was a bit of a shock to start with but moving to France makes total sense for both a more relaxed way of life plus the RD is already left hand drive😂 Au revoir Al
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Sept 13, 2023 14:37:29 GMT 1
Post by Chewie01 on Sept 13, 2023 14:37:29 GMT 1
Moving to France seems like jumping out the frying pan and into the fire. All of these restrictions on our freedoms are coming from the top down and will affect any EU country. Just look at what they're doing to the Dutch farmers. There's also plenty of corruption in France, you only have to look at the constant riots over there to know there's something very wrong.
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Post by alankelly on Sept 13, 2023 14:40:38 GMT 1
Yes but at least they riot rather than just moan and let the government do what they want and the trouble is in the cities
But it’s the move back out to a place not surrounded by humanity that I crave I bloody hate city living but I did it due to job change and growing family
But in a couple of years time no longer needed so a move back out would suit me and Donna
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Post by Chewie01 on Sept 13, 2023 14:43:41 GMT 1
They riot but the government just keeps doing what it wants. You just end up with more burnt out cars who's owners had nothing to do with it.
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Post by alankelly on Sept 13, 2023 14:46:43 GMT 1
Yes but remember when we had the energy crisis French government capped the energy rise to 4% and enforced it with EDF as they knew if they allowed what happened over here there would be nation wide riots and not just in the cities
Plus when fuel prices rocketed all the trucks just parked up on the motorway and left till the government backed down and enforced lower fuel costs
At least they do something which I can respect (even if it breaks the law) rather than just moan and let those in power just carry on knowing nothing is going to happen
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Sept 13, 2023 14:52:13 GMT 1
Post by Chewie01 on Sept 13, 2023 14:52:13 GMT 1
The issues in Africa are going to change that. There were paying about 1 Euro for a unit of uranium and now it's 200 Euros.
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Post by alankelly on Sept 13, 2023 15:00:42 GMT 1
With a farm house and a bit of land you can do plenty of off grid stuff like solar pv and solar thermal a battery bank and other stuff including grow your own and have some bee hives again👍 like we did when I was growing up
(Already have pv and thermal at home)
That way you disconnect yourself from lots of uncontrollable costs
To be honest hopefully uranium cost will get prohibitive so it forces governments to invest in better green cleaner energy
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Sept 13, 2023 15:43:31 GMT 1
Post by rigga on Sept 13, 2023 15:43:31 GMT 1
So it seems, as expected the ulez is a money grab by TFL, as it's expected to only improve the air quality minimally, like only 1.3%
According to Transport for London (TfL) data, road transport accounts for 44% of nitrogen oxide (NOx) emissions, 31% of PM2.5 (particulate matter) emissions and 28% of CO2 emissions in London.
It says: "The proposed London-wide Ulez is expected to reduce road transport NOx emissions by 5.4% (362 tonnes) in London. There is expected to be a 1.5% (7.8 tonnes) reduction in PM2.5 emissions from road transport in London."
That is more than the reduction of 240 tonnes of NOx when the Ulez was introduced in central London.
Data from City Hall, reviewed by Imperial College London, shows: "Road transport NOx emissions for all vehicles are expected to reduce by 5.5% (214 tonnes) in the non-Greater London area in 2023 compared to a scenario where there was no Ulez expansion London-wide.
The equivalent figure for road transport PM2.5 is a 1.4% (3.5 tonnes) reduction. For PM10, there is a 0.9% (4 tonnes) reduction. For carbon the reduction is 1.6%."
Ulez cut London emissions by 46% - City Hall data Of course not everyone will believe this modelling, and City Hall Conservatives have highlighted an independent assessment that says the Ulez expansion will result in a "minor" reduction in NO2 pollution exposure, of 1.3%."
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