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Post by JonW on Feb 8, 2022 0:27:11 GMT 1
Im hoping we might sticky this as a thread for those who buy a bike with some of these 'crimes' lol
Feel free to add your own...
1 - The LC does not have a sticker on the rear brake about the lining, even though there is a space for it. 2 - There is no tyre pressure decal on the LCs chain guard 3 - The running in decal on the tacho is not actually 'a thing' on a well used 40 year old machine lol 4 - The clocks bolt on below the top triple clamp, not above...
Of course some will say that they can do what they like, but if you want to say your bike is restored and 'like new' then you will need to talk to a plater of green bolts and pour over photos of original bikes for decal placement and hit Millets for a sturdy anorak to wear when surfing the forum...
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Feb 8, 2022 12:40:05 GMT 1
To add to your list Jon...
-3 stripers didn't come out until 1982 -your pipes probably are stamped 4L0 but highly likely they are not 350 pipes. -can anyone actually tell the deference between the hi and lo horn? -yes it should have the coil cover and tool tray -a mph clock should not only register speed in mph but also clock distance travelled in miles -it should have the metal plug caps fitted unless you want to ride it in the rain! -M8 nuts should be tightened using 12mm spanners
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Post by steve63 on Feb 8, 2022 14:03:25 GMT 1
Im hoping we might sticky this as a thread for those who buy a bike with some of these 'crimes' lol Feel free to add your own... 1 - The LC does not have a sticker on the rear brake about the lining, even though there is a space for it. 2 - There is no tyre pressure decal on the LCs chain guard 3 - The running in decal on the tacho is not actually 'a thing' on a well used 40 year old machine lol 4 - The clocks bolt on below the top triple clamp, not above... Of course some will say that they can do what they like, but if you want to say your bike is restored and 'like new' then you will need to talk to a plater of green bolts and pour over photos of original bikes for decal placement and hit Millets for a sturdy anorak to wear when surfing the forum... The red line sticker is my favourite dislike if that's a thing I also dislike clocks being set to zero. If everything is brand new then fine but then it would be a brand new bike and the clock would show zero. I like to see bikes with plenty of miles on them. There was a few guys fawning over a 400/Four years ago. It only had 4,000 miles on it. I said it should be like new, it is practically new. If it was in that condition with 40,000 miles I would be impressed.
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 8, 2022 14:58:48 GMT 1
Make sure the Loom goes on the righthand side of the headstock
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 8, 2022 15:11:43 GMT 1
Screws are not Philips, they are JIS
Good luck on the "sticky"
Think admin have run out of double sided tape as the alternative parts thread is still mobile 😂
Steve
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Feb 8, 2022 18:39:45 GMT 1
Fit the inner mudguard before you fit the rear shock.
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Post by rigga on Feb 8, 2022 20:36:47 GMT 1
Seen so many "restored " bikes, but the redline in the rev counter is still faded to buggery.
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Post by bare on Feb 9, 2022 4:54:10 GMT 1
100% 'restos' are only fit for Resale purpose. If one actually uses the things ? Close is More than good 'nuff'.
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Post by veg on Feb 9, 2022 9:00:38 GMT 1
RAL green paint looks exactly like green paint it looks nothing like green passivate. Original bikes need Yokohama tyres fitting, and don’t forget the pre pdi paint marks on the bolts to show they’ve been tightened.
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Post by headcoats on Feb 9, 2022 9:12:33 GMT 1
Penguin stamp on the rear sprocket , or did I just dream that LOL
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Post by sbscnor on Feb 9, 2022 11:39:03 GMT 1
There should be two drab olive green cable guides fitted to the top yoke fork leg bolts, one for the clutch cable (left leg) and the for throttle cable (right leg). A genuine UK clock cover has no Japanese writing on it at the bottom of the idiot lights.
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Post by steve h on Feb 9, 2022 15:38:30 GMT 1
250s dont have a grease nipple on the swing arm bolt.
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Post by reedpete on Feb 9, 2022 16:17:56 GMT 1
And one I learnt recently…. Indicator lenses are different front and back…
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Post by johnniepee on Feb 9, 2022 18:45:01 GMT 1
And one I learnt recently…. Indicator lenses are different front and back… Correct. The back ones are more "frosted". The front ones are clearer as they're competing with the headlight. I used to order the same front and back years ago until a friendly Yamaha parts guy pointed out the difference.
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Post by JonW on Feb 9, 2022 21:32:20 GMT 1
250s dont have a grease nipple on the swing arm bolt. Is that actually right Steve? In a country full of 250s Ive had mostly nippled bolts which would be at odds. I thought it was an early/late thing?
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Post by oldbritguy on Feb 9, 2022 22:11:14 GMT 1
Original tyres had Japanese air inside them 🤓 If you are lucky you might be able to buy some on eBay 🤔 John 😆
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Post by steve h on Feb 10, 2022 0:07:06 GMT 1
250s dont have a grease nipple on the swing arm bolt. Is that actually right Steve? In a country full of 250s Ive had mostly nippled bolts which would be at odds. I thought it was an early/late thing? I'm pretty sure it's right jon. The font of LC knowledge (OEB) will rubbish/confirm it. I have a tie bar 250 without the nipple.
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Post by JonW on Feb 10, 2022 2:51:23 GMT 1
Is that actually right Steve? In a country full of 250s Ive had mostly nippled bolts which would be at odds. I thought it was an early/late thing? I'm pretty sure it's right jon. The font of LC knowledge (OEB) will rubbish/confirm it. I have a tie bar 250 without the nipple. Yes, Defo interested in what OEB has to say on this.
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Post by JonW on Feb 10, 2022 2:59:17 GMT 1
Anyway, this thread wasnt for people to whinge about how an LC should never be standard and restorers were w#*#ers etc. I just wanted to capture the mistakes that we keep seeing on these bikes that obviously some think are correct 'features'. We joke about these when we see them, so I figured 'lets try to educate'. It should be noted that there is always a place for people who want to restore, same as there is for those who want to mod. Surely if you think about it, doing a full resto of any LC is basically undoing mods... or modding it back to standard etc. Anyone who has been here more than 5 mins knows that like many on here I do both sorts of builds and can see and validate the point of view of those who dont want a resto bike; Its their choice. Same as it is for those who want one thats all OEM. I actually think its easier (or maybe just 'different'?) to mod something as a lot of OEM 'throwaway' parts for our bikes are now very hard to find and very expensive. I was hoping in this thread that we could get away from the moans about restoration and the 'green bolt brigade' style name calling and maybe those guys could see the resto point of view... or at least just not comment. I guess not. lol. Anyway, thanks to those who posted, its always nice when a thread gains some traction
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Post by veg on Feb 10, 2022 7:17:45 GMT 1
That’s me bollocked sorry Jon I’ll amend my post . 😘
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Post by oldelsieboy on Feb 10, 2022 9:30:07 GMT 1
Is that actually right Steve? In a country full of 250s Ive had mostly nippled bolts which would be at odds. I thought it was an early/late thing? I'm pretty sure it's right jon. The font of LC knowledge (OEB) will rubbish/confirm it. I have a tie bar 250 without the nipple. I would assume the 250 had the same update/modification to the swingarm spindle as the 350, checking the parts fiche would support this assumption. OEB
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Post by muttsnuts on Feb 10, 2022 10:31:30 GMT 1
fitting later fork stanchions on early bikes and vica-versa fitting 250LC headlight ears on a 350LC and vica-versa fitting headlight ears and not using the legs to bottom them on the bottom yoke so that they are at the exact same height fitting the radiator spacers/rubbers incorrectly, longer ones on the LHS, shorter ones on the RHS iirc - it was done so that the top hose was aligned correctly fitting a decal/stripe on the front mudguard fitting later calipers on early bikes and vica-versa fitting new front disk lock tab plates and then not knocking them over - why ? fitting the wrong carbs on the wrong year of bike fitting double exhaust gaskets at the header rather than fixing the problem correctly
* yes indicator lens are different front to rear
the list goes on I've seen that many bodges !
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Post by tell7437 on Feb 13, 2022 0:08:33 GMT 1
Fitting taper roller head bearings then the stem nut doesn't go on far enough & the headlight adjuster doesn't line up with the headlight shell.
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Post by veg on Feb 13, 2022 0:38:45 GMT 1
Don’t use cable ties for switchgear wiring on the handlebar, they are a wider rubber notched strap.
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Post by sp885 on Feb 13, 2022 7:51:34 GMT 1
Im hoping we might sticky this as a thread for those who buy a bike with some of these 'crimes' lol Feel free to add your own... 1 - The LC does not have a sticker on the rear brake about the lining, even though there is a space for it. 2 - There is no tyre pressure decal on the LCs chain guard 3 - The running in decal on the tacho is not actually 'a thing' on a well used 40 year old machine lol 4 - The clocks bolt on below the top triple clamp, not above... Of course some will say that they can do what they like, but if you want to say your bike is restored and 'like new' then you will need to talk to a plater of green bolts and pour over photos of original bikes for decal placement and hit Millets for a sturdy anorak to wear when surfing the forum... Guilty of #1 and #2 Jon, the tyre pressure decal was on my bike when I got it, but I do seem to remember my 250LC I got brand new in June 1981 didn't have it on, the brake lining sticker I put on as I had one left over from my Fizzy, there exactly the same
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Post by jon on Feb 13, 2022 8:40:40 GMT 1
fitting later fork stanchions on early bikes and vica-versa fitting 250LC headlight ears on a 350LC and vica-versa fitting headlight ears and not using the legs to bottom them on the bottom yoke so that they are at the exact same height fitting the radiator spacers/rubbers incorrectly, longer ones on the LHS, shorter ones on the RHS iirc - it was done so that the top hose was aligned correctlyfitting a decal/stripe on the front mudguard fitting later calipers on early bikes and vica-versa fitting new front disk lock tab plates and then not knocking them over - why ? fitting the wrong carbs on the wrong year of bike fitting double exhaust gaskets at the header rather than fixing the problem correctly * yes indicator lens are different front to rear the list goes on I've seen that many bodges ! It may be true that fitting them the wrong side may make the top hose out of line, but wasn’t the reason they were long and short so that the long one allowed the radiator to expand without putting stress on the brackets? Surely this is their reason, not for alignment. Otherwise why not just make them the same length? Jon
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Feb 13, 2022 11:55:04 GMT 1
Don't fit the castle crank seal as shown in the parts fiche!
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Post by chrisg on Feb 13, 2022 15:44:35 GMT 1
Don't fit the castle crank seal as shown in the parts fiche! Or the Haynes manual, although the blurb is correct.
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Post by JonW on Feb 14, 2022 1:01:01 GMT 1
Im not sure we'd call the crank seal 'easily rectified' lol and while its certainly an issue for all of our bikes due to the pic yam used in the OEM manual (thats where Haynes got it) its not easy to spot either.
Anyway, its all good that we capture this stuff.
I was told that the rad mounts were for expansion of the alloy rad as well, the 'lining up' of the spacers is a new one on me.
I didnt realise the forks differed in the LC production range, whats the difference Dave? We have very few early parts in Aus as we didnt seem to get any of those early non tie bar bikes with -00 carbs, pipes, calipers etc here. Its one of the reasons I believe the offset plastic/alloy fuel cap isnt related only to the very machines.
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Post by JonW on Feb 14, 2022 1:02:05 GMT 1
Im hoping we might sticky this as a thread for those who buy a bike with some of these 'crimes' lol Feel free to add your own... 1 - The LC does not have a sticker on the rear brake about the lining, even though there is a space for it. 2 - There is no tyre pressure decal on the LCs chain guard 3 - The running in decal on the tacho is not actually 'a thing' on a well used 40 year old machine lol 4 - The clocks bolt on below the top triple clamp, not above... Of course some will say that they can do what they like, but if you want to say your bike is restored and 'like new' then you will need to talk to a plater of green bolts and pour over photos of original bikes for decal placement and hit Millets for a sturdy anorak to wear when surfing the forum... Guilty of #1 and #2 Jon, the tyre pressure decal was on my bike when I got it, but I do seem to remember my 250LC I got brand new in June 1981 didn't have it on, the brake lining sticker I put on as I had one left over from my Fizzy, there exactly the same No worries Steve, bring it over and I'll peel em off for you
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