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Post by twigboy on Jan 16, 2022 12:43:56 GMT 1
Hi
Old Newbee
Its been many years since on the forum but have got the bug AGAIN. I was thinking of trying to buy something ridable that I can fettle as and when, but that's what I thought last time and ended up spending a fortune etc etc. Its been almost 10 years and cant believe the prices of bikes and scarcity/prices of parts.
I would really like a 4LO lc. There is a totally restored mint 350 on ebay. It was originally listed at 12.5k, then put up to 15k. I know its subjective but isn't that mad ?
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Post by headcoats on Jan 16, 2022 12:56:03 GMT 1
Yes it's really taking the shine off LC's now when they were virtually a throw away bike back in the day
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Post by JonW on Jan 16, 2022 13:00:54 GMT 1
link? Id love to see how perfect this bike is...
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Post by veg on Jan 16, 2022 13:05:35 GMT 1
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Post by JonW on Jan 16, 2022 13:31:25 GMT 1
Ta Tim. Its not a bad looker... but eeek... £15k for an LC. wow. Sigh... That damn sticker... huge SIGH...!!! WTAF?! I'd be knocking £10k off for that. no attention to detail! Im not 100% all those bolts are the right colours, but there is lots of green on there which is nice to see for a resto. Since we can get them its sad to see non OEM style rubber lines and that fact the dash has not refurbished with new dials, what else got missed then? As people know Im not a fan of the new style key set with modern keys and the modern brake reservoir lid. But I guess its nice to know its all new OEM parts. I dont see £15k... makes me wonder what my fleet must be worth. nah... not for sale. |
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Post by copper99 on Jan 16, 2022 13:57:21 GMT 1
Not the first thou is it?
Didnt a really low miler go for 17k last year? FS1es are up to 7+k I believe so its all relative
Eitherway, the last 2 years have seen a really sharp increase in all memorabilia from our era, the most desirable Raleigh Choppers are over 4 grand and so it goes on...Still cheap compared to almost any "sporting" Mk1/2 Escort and you could buy those for £500-1000 or so when I starting riding...
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Post by muttsnuts on Jan 16, 2022 14:15:49 GMT 1
late registered on a B plate, raer foot pegs don't look NOS to me plus a few other parts - chancer if you ask me
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 16, 2022 14:57:24 GMT 1
I've never seen a 350 on a B plate
Also only seen original unrestored bikes at that money
Only gripe I have considering the work that has been done is the faded red line on the tacho
Steve
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Post by dusty350 on Jan 16, 2022 16:39:11 GMT 1
It's not mad.... it's bloody crazy !!
Prices continue to rise but the high ticket bikes aren't selling like they were - plenty hang around on ebay. Rebuild costs are high, and rise every year, pushing built bike prices up.
Dusty
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Post by twigboy on Jan 16, 2022 17:58:05 GMT 1
Not the first thou is it? Didnt a really low miler go for 17k last year? FS1es are up to 7+k I believe so its all relative Eitherway, the last 2 years have seen a really sharp increase in all memorabilia from our era, the most desirable Raleigh Choppers are over 4 grand and so it goes on...Still cheap compared to almost any "sporting" Mk1/2 Escort and you could buy those for £500-1000 or so when I starting riding... Makes you wonder if the market will cool down once the majority (of us old gits) are too old to ride and work on them etc |
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 16, 2022 22:18:35 GMT 1
Disc locking tabs...not locked. It's nice but can't see it being a show winner, and with the brakes like that it can't have a legit MOT either.
Alex
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Post by spooch63 on Jan 16, 2022 22:26:32 GMT 1
Since most 500's are north of 20k these days it's not surprising people are trying their luck. Some sucker might stump up the asking price. It does look nice but 15k nice?
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Post by JonW on Jan 16, 2022 23:20:02 GMT 1
Disc locking tabs...not locked. It's nice but can't see it being a show winner, and with the brakes like that it can't have a legit MOT either. Alex I noticed those as well, why fit them and not do them up?! |
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Post by reedpete on Jan 16, 2022 23:46:47 GMT 1
If we are going to count rivets then I’d say the mudguard rivets aren’t right… there should be a smaller rivet with bigger washer underneath 😂😂😂😂
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Post by JonW on Jan 16, 2022 23:49:34 GMT 1
If youre paying 15k for a full OEM style resto, you want to be rivet counting I'd think?
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Post by reedpete on Jan 16, 2022 23:55:53 GMT 1
If youre paying 15k for a full OEM style resto, you want to be rivet counting I'd think? 👍 Exactly! |
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Post by steve h on Jan 17, 2022 0:08:50 GMT 1
It's an absolute bargain. This time next year in lockdown number 5 with controlicrom, it'll be worth twice that amount to a furloughed non essential worker. Get it bought NOW!
I'd be slapping my cash in the sellers hand if I could only work out how to escape this f***ing straightjacket.
Arthur Figgis, A village somewhere.
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Post by JonW on Jan 17, 2022 1:02:14 GMT 1
I forgot to mention the indicators, are they really aftermarkets at 15k?
The lenses can easily be swapped onto the cheap bodies to at least use genuine lenses... that would 'help', but at 15K id expect the correct proper original different part number front and backs... maybe I expect to much.
It does have OEM mirrors tho... thats nice.
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Post by twofin on Jan 17, 2022 1:42:28 GMT 1
On the Rd/RZ forum ( forgive me I have sinned for looking ) I saw a red/ white RZ350 with 330 miles from new posted up that was on bike trader (usa) it’s up for $25k ,
How much more can or will prices rise ? Is it similar to the old Trumpets/ BSA/ Vincent’s etc? That were sky high a few years ago that have plateaued and in some cases fallen as those riders are either to old to ride or have died of old age and younger enthusiasts / motorcyclists just don’t fancy the oily rag bone shakers.
It was only mentioned to me the other day that big Zed’s are getting a little stale due to the numbers that have been brought over the pond,
Let’s hope that fact that 2 strokes being ditched in favour of 4T will make them ever popular with collectors and riders alike , fun factor 10 and easy / reasonably cheap to have rebuilt when they go pop,
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Post by JonW on Jan 17, 2022 2:52:12 GMT 1
Weve spoken about this lots before. Yes the market will drop when we are all too old or infirm to want 'our' bikes as kids arent learning to ride or want to be bothered with maintenance. By then we likely be doolally from all the fumes, so wont care tho... so its a moot point. Some guy was trying to sell an unrestored 83 350 YPVS here for A$19.5k the other day... way over 10k more than anyone who knows these bikes and isnt an FB fanboy would consider it was worth. Ok a 350 is rarer here than a 250, but not that much. while its nice it certainly didnt have 330miles on it and it had a welded up tank - we know that as he was trying to find a tank for ages before the sale and considered having some made. I'll call him a 'Chancer'. Hes a well known Fb forumer, but a chancer all the same. I wonder if the 'expert status' on a forum makes a seller seem more genuine... hmm... one can only think it must, here is the ad: "RZ350, totally stock standard as it came out of the factory, 4,600km from new, the tank has been saved and is being cleaned up with the bottom of the tank blended in, this is a time capsule and would really suite a collector, Aussie delivered $19,500"  |
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Post by avb on Jan 17, 2022 18:13:46 GMT 1
well there is good bikes at reasonable money out there
ive just picked a 350lc up with all the hard to find parts on it
but youve got to be quick
andy
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Post by steve63 on Jan 18, 2022 23:10:11 GMT 1
I've never seen a 350 on a B plate Also only seen original unrestored bikes at that money Only gripe I have considering the work that has been done is the faded red line on the tacho Steve One of mine is B reg. 1st August 1984 The YPVS came out in 1983. I guess there were still a few 4L0s knocking about in dealers. It would be interesting to know how much it was. My new one was £1160 in May 1982. I have a 350 registered 23rd July 1980 so would be a V reg but it's German. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 19, 2022 0:16:42 GMT 1
There was always an oversupply of the old models back the day it seemed. I was always seeing brand new old models in with the new ones at dealers and they were most often discounted to shift em.
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Post by chrisg on Jan 19, 2022 0:30:56 GMT 1
I'm not 100% sure that the LC market will die with us old gits. Norton and the like are still fetching strong money and what about the Brough Superior £100k plus.
I think there will always be a market.
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Post by steve h on Jan 19, 2022 0:59:12 GMT 1
I'm not 100% sure that the LC market will die with us old gits. Norton and the like are still fetching strong money and what about the Brough Superior £100k plus. I think there will always be a market. There wont always be a market for them. Old 2ts will be 1st to be banned off the roads because they are polluting (compared to modern offerings), people with them will find themselves pariahs first, just before the ban, and will be accused of putting other peoples health in danger...no? Well look whats happening today in the "civilised" world. You have no right to choose only to comply, that is if we dont rid ourselves of the growing fascism. Things can gather pace at incredible speed if we the people dont question and oppose..... it's our DUTY to do so. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 19, 2022 1:17:40 GMT 1
Im along the same lines as you Steve on this. I think its the same with any vehicle with a petrol/diesel engine and one that visibly smokes will start getting you dirty looks soon and later actual derision and maybe even violence etc. Dont think so? The 'how dare you!' that Greta shouted was full of anger and hate. it wasnt a plea, it was a call to arms. It heralded the beginning of the end as the people in charge pander ever more to younger voters, not to actual logic.
What these haters fail to understand is that a old vehicle that's cherished and rarely used pollutes a lot less over the next 10 years than the environmental cost of building a new one, let alone the cost of generating a fuel like electricity to run it... and thats not even aimed at fossil fuel energy production, as even wind farms 'cost' in their building etc. pus are a blight on the view. This element of 'cost' is 'Out of sight, out of mind...' and doesnt harm the enjoyable feeling that their electric vehicle is 'good for the environment' while at the same time believing that fossil fuels are used by people seeking to ruin the beautiful lives they are entitled to...
Enjoy our bikes while you can. As other fuels take over along with more millenials, our allowed usage will drop and so demand to own them, along with prices. Most of us here dont care about that, but any people who want to make money out of these bikes should sell sooner rather than later. Im keeping mine thanks.
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Post by reedpete on Jan 19, 2022 11:26:59 GMT 1
I'm not 100% sure that the LC market will die with us old gits. Norton and the like are still fetching strong money and what about the Brough Superior £100k plus. I think there will always be a market. I think there will always be a market of some sort, but there are now ‘so many ‘ LCs etc out there I don’t think you can compare with the handful of Brough you mentioned… it is supply and demand after all. When all said and done, a few of the very best examples will sit in collections here in the Uk, but the majority of LCs owned by ‘us’ save a few perhaps our kids will keep as ‘ dads bike’ . But in my own case ( and plenty of folks I know) that still leaves several others that will have nowhere to go…except perhaps back to the East. Next generation down enthusiasm is out there, Malaysia in particular.. India to an extent. Who knows.. |
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Post by chrisg on Jan 19, 2022 12:20:25 GMT 1
I'm not 100% sure that the LC market will die with us old gits. Norton and the like are still fetching strong money and what about the Brough Superior £100k plus. I think there will always be a market. I think there will always be a market of some sort, but there are now ‘so many ‘ LCs etc out there I don’t think you can compare with the handful of Brough you mentioned… it is supply and demand after all. When all said and done, a few of the very best examples will sit in collections here in the Uk, but the majority of LCs owned by ‘us’ save a few perhaps our kids will keep as ‘ dads bike’ . But in my own case ( and plenty of folks I know) that still leaves several others that will have nowhere to go…except perhaps back to the East. Next generation down enthusiasm is out there, Malaysia in particular.. India to an extent. Who knows.. Here's a thought, maybe we will all be converting out bikes to electric in the future. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 19, 2022 12:41:47 GMT 1
Thats a huge can of worms... In that idea's most basic form; It is possible, Ive looked into it. But my conclusion was that its not cheap and a much better idea is to start from scratch as the battery and the motor dont fit well into our old petrol engined frames and youd want to make use of some better technology / materials if going that route..
The other thing i found was that I could never justify the investment when the supply/prices of petrol engines and other parts were so plentiful/cheap, tho that has changed now. But why saddle yourself with a project that the parts are hard to find and exy when you can use whatever you like...
I have a friend working on a project something akin to this idea (not an Lc/ypvs tho) and am sure that he will do a great job. Interested to see how it comes out.
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Post by steve63 on Jan 19, 2022 14:01:49 GMT 1
Im along the same lines as you Steve on this. I think its the same with any vehicle with a petrol/diesel engine and one that visibly smokes will start getting you dirty looks soon and later actual derision and maybe even violence etc. Dont think so? The 'how dare you!' that Greta shouted was full of anger and hate. it wasnt a plea, it was a call to arms. It heralded the beginning of the end as the people in charge pander ever more to younger voters, not to actual logic. What these haters fail to understand is that a old vehicle that's cherished and rarely used pollutes a lot less over the next 10 years than the environmental cost of building a new one, let alone the cost of generating a fuel like electricity to run it... and thats not even aimed at fossil fuel energy production, as even wind farms 'cost' in their building etc. pus are a blight on the view. This element of 'cost' is 'Out of sight, out of mind...' and doesnt harm the enjoyable feeling that their electric vehicle is 'good for the environment' while at the same time believing that fossil fuels are used by people seeking to ruin the beautiful lives they are entitled to... Enjoy our bikes while you can. As other fuels take over along with more millenials, our allowed usage will drop and so demand to own them, along with prices. Most of us here dont care about that, but any people who want to make money out of these bikes should sell sooner rather than later. Im keeping mine thanks. It's gone full circle then. If you've been riding bikes since the 70's then you'll have encountered years of 'dirty looks' and derision just by riding a bike of any description, smoky or not. Been turned away from campsites, pubs, chip shops and cafes and other places sometimes for just wearing a bike jacket. Strangest one was my mate who didn't have a bike being turned away at a pub door for wearing the classic black leather bike jacket and me being let in wearing a green leather jacket with white sleeves and KAWASAKI written down them. They seem quite happy to take our money at the moment. Never had the same issue when travelling abroad though. Although some border guy in Yugoslavia wanted some cash off me for going into his country. I guess it went straight into his wallet. |
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