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Post by chrisg on Jan 19, 2022 15:22:04 GMT 1
Im along the same lines as you Steve on this. I think its the same with any vehicle with a petrol/diesel engine and one that visibly smokes will start getting you dirty looks soon and later actual derision and maybe even violence etc. Dont think so? The 'how dare you!' that Greta shouted was full of anger and hate. it wasnt a plea, it was a call to arms. It heralded the beginning of the end as the people in charge pander ever more to younger voters, not to actual logic. What these haters fail to understand is that a old vehicle that's cherished and rarely used pollutes a lot less over the next 10 years than the environmental cost of building a new one, let alone the cost of generating a fuel like electricity to run it... and thats not even aimed at fossil fuel energy production, as even wind farms 'cost' in their building etc. pus are a blight on the view. This element of 'cost' is 'Out of sight, out of mind...' and doesnt harm the enjoyable feeling that their electric vehicle is 'good for the environment' while at the same time believing that fossil fuels are used by people seeking to ruin the beautiful lives they are entitled to... Enjoy our bikes while you can. As other fuels take over along with more millenials, our allowed usage will drop and so demand to own them, along with prices. Most of us here dont care about that, but any people who want to make money out of these bikes should sell sooner rather than later. Im keeping mine thanks. It's gone full circle then. If you've been riding bikes since the 70's then you'll have encountered years of 'dirty looks' and derision just by riding a bike of any description, smoky or not. Been turned away from campsites, pubs, chip shops and cafes and other places sometimes for just wearing a bike jacket. Strangest one was my mate who didn't have a bike being turned away at a pub door for wearing the classic black leather bike jacket and me being let in wearing a green leather jacket with white sleeves and KAWASAKI written down them. They seem quite happy to take our money at the moment. Never had the same issue when travelling abroad though. Although some border guy in Yugoslavia wanted some cash off me for going into his country. I guess it went straight into his wallet. Im not convinced. The big 4x4s that are most definitely not eco friendly are still being sold in big numbers. For top bosses and MD's its the vehicle of choice and they dont give a flying fig if its not green. There are electric bikes out there and it was mentioned a bit tongue in cheek, but maybe there will be conversion kit for older bikes. Maybe Mutts Nuts will be an official distributor and conversion specialist? I think the help page will be a bit predictable. Q My bike wont go? A Is the battery flat, lol
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Post by steve h on Jan 19, 2022 15:22:48 GMT 1
Im along the same lines as you Steve on this. I think its the same with any vehicle with a petrol/diesel engine and one that visibly smokes will start getting you dirty looks soon and later actual derision and maybe even violence etc. Dont think so? The 'how dare you!' that Greta shouted was full of anger and hate. it wasnt a plea, it was a call to arms. It heralded the beginning of the end as the people in charge pander ever more to younger voters, not to actual logic. What these haters fail to understand is that a old vehicle that's cherished and rarely used pollutes a lot less over the next 10 years than the environmental cost of building a new one, let alone the cost of generating a fuel like electricity to run it... and thats not even aimed at fossil fuel energy production, as even wind farms 'cost' in their building etc. pus are a blight on the view. This element of 'cost' is 'Out of sight, out of mind...' and doesnt harm the enjoyable feeling that their electric vehicle is 'good for the environment' while at the same time believing that fossil fuels are used by people seeking to ruin the beautiful lives they are entitled to... Enjoy our bikes while you can. As other fuels take over along with more millenials, our allowed usage will drop and so demand to own them, along with prices. Most of us here dont care about that, but any people who want to make money out of these bikes should sell sooner rather than later. Im keeping mine thanks. It's gone full circle then. If you've been riding bikes since the 70's then you'll have encountered years of 'dirty looks' and derision just by riding a bike of any description, smoky or not. Been turned away from campsites, pubs, chip shops and cafes and other places sometimes for just wearing a bike jacket. Strangest one was my mate who didn't have a bike being turned away at a pub door for wearing the classic black leather bike jacket and me being let in wearing a green leather jacket with white sleeves and KAWASAKI written down them. They seem quite happy to take our money at the moment. Never had the same issue when travelling abroad though. Although some border guy in Yugoslavia wanted some cash off me for going into his country. I guess it went straight into his wallet. Too true steve. I've been on the end of that racism quite a few times, it was not a nice experience. Funnily enough, the "gang" of like minded souls I hung around with were the 1st to offer assistance to anybody in need of it.... we never judged anybody..... thats the sole preserve of someone much higher than ourselves. I told my son and Mrs long ago that there are "angels" out there you can ask for help from and they will only be too pleased to oblige....never judge a book by it's cover and take as you find
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Post by looey on Jan 19, 2022 20:14:41 GMT 1
I've never seen a 350 on a B plate Also only seen original unrestored bikes at that money Only gripe I have considering the work that has been done is the faded red line on the tacho Steve The wife's UK matching numbers 4L0 was first registered new in 1984 on a B plate also. It's been imported to the Isle of Man now and they don't have age related plates, so you can't tell the age of anything by it's registration lol Pretty sure there were a few left lying around showrooms when the YPVS came out.
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Post by chrisg on Jan 23, 2022 15:24:13 GMT 1
Here is my prediction: in 10 or 15 years time you will be able to buy an upgrade for classic bikes to convert them to electric. Cheap and cheerful kits will be available from our Chinese friends.
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Post by evochris on Jan 23, 2022 17:08:01 GMT 1
Also in the equation is the motorcycle enthusiast in general. Some like to collect and as they get older they purchase bikes that mean something to them, example, a mate who has the latest MV Agusta Brutale and an R1M, he is on my case to buy my 2003 MV F4 as he wants to collect, ride very rarely if at all. I know a lot of bikers who collect because they want and have spare cash, my neighbour collects old BMW R models from the 70’s and 80’s and he is in his 30’s, he just like them. There will always be a market.
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