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Post by rustywheels on Nov 5, 2020 13:04:44 GMT 1
Been thinking about returning to two strokes, as used to have an '84 RD125LC mk1 and then a '82 RD350LC, bikes which I loved, and miss those addictive power bands. Currently I have a '77 CB400f and a '79 XT500, both of which I restored (am I allowed to mention them??!), so a two stroke has got to be next.. When I sold my 350, I had wanted to buy an F2, but due to supply issues at the time, one wasn't available and for one reason or another, I ended up with a GPZ as I didn't like the 31K F. However, as I have grown greyer, I now like the look of the F1, but dont see many of those for sale. Is there a reason, and are they cheaper or more expensive to buy? I may just stick with the 4L0 to relive those 80's blasts to college and back, so the hunt is starting now, but any advice is most welcome ![]() |
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Post by JonW on Nov 5, 2020 13:18:49 GMT 1
Welcome in! Have a good read around the forum, a lot of what youre asking has been covered before and the search works well here, but do have a look at the builds section in particular as that covers a lot of very sexy stuff thats happening right now. No problem to me that you mention your XT500, I have one too  Are you on the XT forum?  |
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Post by rustywheels on Nov 5, 2020 14:00:59 GMT 1
Thanks, and yes, I am on the XT forum. Mine is the same model as yours, with the US alloy tank. Love that rear swing arm! Unfortunately, I'm on my work PC so cant post pictures at the moment, but will when I get a chance later
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Post by lcmarky on Nov 5, 2020 17:31:12 GMT 1
Welcome in! Have a good read around the forum, a lot of what youre asking has been covered before and the search works well here, but do have a look at the builds section in particular as that covers a lot of very sexy stuff thats happening right now. No problem to me that you mention your XT500, I have one too Are you on the XT forum? Crikey that's cool!! |
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Post by lcmarky on Nov 5, 2020 17:34:56 GMT 1
any advice is most welcome Yep, get yourself a 2T... Your choice will be limited to what's available at the time, unless you decide in advance & just keep searching for it.. Personally I'm hopeless at waiting for stuff so tend to crack on with not always the best starting position.. |
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Post by julianboolean on Nov 5, 2020 17:40:07 GMT 1
The forks on the XT look like Husqvarna TE610E (or 410) forks and yokes, if so they're good forks.
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 5, 2020 20:27:57 GMT 1
Hi Welcome to the forum They are all great bikes. Lc350's tend to be the most expensive, then Lc2's then the other Pv's. Buy the best you can afford, but it's rare to find a really good 350 for under 4.5k nowadays, and probably starting nearer 5k I'm afraid  Good luck, there are usually lots for sale. Dusty |
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Post by rich on Nov 5, 2020 20:33:07 GMT 1
Hi and welcome, nothing wrong with an XT500! Reason you don't see many F1's for sale is the relatively short model run - they only made them for about a year and the N1 was even rarer.
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 5, 2020 20:36:48 GMT 1
I think there were less than 1000 F1's officially imported - I had one that had been stood 10 years which I paid peanuts for. I dont like fairings on my bikes so I restored it and sold it on shortly afterwards.
Dusty
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Post by JonW on Nov 5, 2020 22:16:11 GMT 1
Welcome in! Have a good read around the forum, a lot of what youre asking has been covered before and the search works well here, but do have a look at the builds section in particular as that covers a lot of very sexy stuff thats happening right now. No problem to me that you mention your XT500, I have one too Are you on the XT forum? Crikey that's cool!! Thanks Marky. The forks on the XT look like Husqvarna TE610E (or 410) forks and yokes, if so they're good forks. Ex KTM (like the wheels) 50mm WP units, quite possibly the same used on the TEs of the era (late 90s)? I chose them as I had them on a '99 250EXC and loved them, had to shorten them with an internal spacer. If my website (link below) is still up the build is covered on there along with the fork shortening. |
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4L0 v 31K
Nov 6, 2020 16:15:39 GMT 1
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Post by kostas on Nov 6, 2020 16:15:39 GMT 1
Welcome in! Have a good read around the forum, a lot of what youre asking has been covered before and the search works well here, but do have a look at the builds section in particular as that covers a lot of very sexy stuff thats happening right now. No problem to me that you mention your XT500, I have one too Are you on the XT forum? What an awesome looking bike!!! |
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Post by julianboolean on Nov 6, 2020 16:48:57 GMT 1
Thanks Marky. The forks on the XT look like Husqvarna TE610E (or 410) forks and yokes, if so they're good forks. Ex KTM (like the wheels) 50mm WP units, quite possibly the same used on the TEs of the era (late 90s)? I chose them as I had them on a '99 250EXC and loved them, had to shorten them with an internal spacer. If my website (link below) is still up the build is covered on there along with the fork shortening. My Husky had 45mm Marzocchis, I never got on with the White Powers on the KTM I had, but it was late 80s and you had to strip them down to make any changes to the damping by reassembling the damping cartridge, I'm sure by the late 90s they'd managed to fit external adjusters.
The Marzocchis had compression damping in one fork and rebound in the other
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Post by JonW on Nov 6, 2020 22:35:25 GMT 1
Welcome in! Have a good read around the forum, a lot of what youre asking has been covered before and the search works well here, but do have a look at the builds section in particular as that covers a lot of very sexy stuff thats happening right now. No problem to me that you mention your XT500, I have one too Are you on the XT forum? What an awesome looking bike!!! Thanks Kostas. Thanks Marky. Ex KTM (like the wheels) 50mm WP units, quite possibly the same used on the TEs of the era (late 90s)? I chose them as I had them on a '99 250EXC and loved them, had to shorten them with an internal spacer. If my website (link below) is still up the build is covered on there along with the fork shortening. My Husky had 45mm Marzocchis, I never got on with the White Powers on the KTM I had, but it was late 80s and you had to strip them down to make any changes to the damping by reassembling the damping cartridge, I'm sure by the late 90s they'd managed to fit external adjusters.
The Marzocchis had compression damping in one fork and rebound in the other
Yes outside adjustment and it has compression / rebound in seperate legs as well. Sorry to fill up your thread with XT500 stuff, but proof that people here like more than just the LC |
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4L0 v 31K
Nov 6, 2020 23:27:43 GMT 1
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Post by dougw on Nov 6, 2020 23:27:43 GMT 1
For some reason I have never liked the look of the ypvs variants.
I got a 4L0 new old stock in 1983 rather than buy a ypvs.
But the best 80s era 2t I rode at the time was Terry Shepherds 31K development bike. Ran beautifully at all revs, fantastic top end. Perfect carburation and little vibes.
But moving on into the late 80s , proddy racing a 250lc (my 350 stolen by then), the target was to beat any 350ypvs.
TZR 250 s just pissed off and we couldn't run with the mk3 gammas .
Terry reckoned the only advantage a proddy 350 ypvs had over the 350lc was the wider wheel rims.
Anyway, enough rambling, for this old git the ideal would be a moderately tuned ypvs 350 in a 4L0.
Will build that one after I have finished building the standardish 4L0 as a homage to the one i had got 18 that got nicked in 1987.
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Post by 1966baz on Nov 7, 2020 8:27:43 GMT 1
Welcome in Rusty.They are all good,the F2 slightly quicker.Hope you find a good one.
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Post by Yogi on Nov 7, 2020 12:24:50 GMT 1
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4L0 v 31K
Nov 7, 2020 16:41:36 GMT 1
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Post by smoke on Nov 7, 2020 16:41:36 GMT 1
Hi and welcome Rustywheels!
I'm in Sweden and sold one of my bikes, an F2, this summer. Prices are lower here - 3200£ with 15000 miles on it.
Regards,
Smoke
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4L0 v 31K
Nov 7, 2020 21:01:00 GMT 1
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Post by lc2 on Nov 7, 2020 21:01:00 GMT 1
I have owned them all and was not a big fan of the 4LO, the YPVS was a real game changer in every area and made the 4L0 look very dated overnight. Don't get upset die hard 4l0 fans it's just my Personal opinion so buy whichever you prefer and enjoy it.
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Post by stusco on Nov 7, 2020 21:06:08 GMT 1
I have owned them all and was not a big fan of the 4LO, the YPVS was a real game changer in every area and made the 4L0 look very dated overnight. Personal opinion of course so buy whichever you prefer and enjoy it. 😱 |
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Post by elsiefan on Nov 9, 2020 1:19:25 GMT 1
Welcome Rusty, from one newbie to another. I'm in a similar boat, as I wanted a 4LO at the time, but then the 31k arrived and I had to have one of those. So I'm looking for the 4LO I never owned, but recently I saw a 31k just like my old one and my earlier assuredness has started to waver, just a bit. It's a difficult choice and I can see that I might just end up getting one of each |
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Post by stusco on Nov 9, 2020 8:46:03 GMT 1
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Post by elsiefan on Nov 11, 2020 14:05:10 GMT 1
You could always Very nice, that is a tasty looking hybrid 4LO / 31K you have there, and in the best colours as well! I like that at first glance it looks like an LC, but on closer inspection I can see the mods you have done. |
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Post by rustywheels on Nov 11, 2020 14:17:31 GMT 1
Thanks everyone for your warm welcome and comments. Great to see XTs are also welcome, and that there is some healthy rivalry between 31k and 4L0 owners. I think I am going to enjoy it here!
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Post by julianboolean on Nov 11, 2020 14:50:19 GMT 1
For some reason I have never liked the look of the ypvs variants. I got a 4L0 new old stock in 1983 rather than buy a ypvs. But the best 80s era 2t I rode at the time was Terry Shepherds 31K development bike. Ran beautifully at all revs, fantastic top end. Perfect carburation and little vibes. But moving on into the late 80s , proddy racing a 250lc (my 350 stolen by then), the target was to beat any 350ypvs. TZR 250 s just pissed off and we couldn't run with the mk3 gammas . Terry reckoned the only advantage a proddy 350 ypvs had over the 350lc was the wider wheel rims. Anyway, enough rambling, for this old git the ideal would be a moderately tuned ypvs 350 in a 4L0. Will build that one after I have finished building the standardish 4L0 as a homage to the one i had got 18 that got nicked in 1987. I thought the YPVS handled better than the LCs I owned, though the ex proddie race LC I had handled better than the other two, I don't know why as it looked standard. Tuned YPVS has marginally more mid range than a tuned LC, but the difference is small, the fuse blew on my YPVS with the valves open and the difference wasn't huge compared to with the YPVS working - I only noticed because the power valve stopped turning over when I switched it on. |
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Post by 29davyt on Nov 11, 2020 15:31:32 GMT 1
I think they’re ALL nice timeless looking bikes apart from the models with full fairings..
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Post by stusco on Nov 11, 2020 15:41:56 GMT 1
For some reason I have never liked the look of the ypvs variants. I got a 4L0 new old stock in 1983 rather than buy a ypvs. But the best 80s era 2t I rode at the time was Terry Shepherds 31K development bike. Ran beautifully at all revs, fantastic top end. Perfect carburation and little vibes. But moving on into the late 80s , proddy racing a 250lc (my 350 stolen by then), the target was to beat any 350ypvs. TZR 250 s just pissed off and we couldn't run with the mk3 gammas . Terry reckoned the only advantage a proddy 350 ypvs had over the 350lc was the wider wheel rims. Anyway, enough rambling, for this old git the ideal would be a moderately tuned ypvs 350 in a 4L0. Will build that one after I have finished building the standardish 4L0 as a homage to the one i had got 18 that got nicked in 1987. I thought the YPVS handled better than the LCs I owned, though the ex proddie race LC I had handled better than the other two, I don't know why as it looked standard. Tuned YPVS has marginally more mid range than a tuned LC, but the difference is small, the fuse blew on my YPVS with the valves open and the difference wasn't huge compared to with the YPVS working - I only noticed because the power valve stopped turning over when I switched it on. I always loved my lc2 (my first lc)I thought it handled great wheelied everywhere,then i got a lc thought it was great too then i had both at the same time  But I couldnt believe how much heavier the lc2 was than the lc so now it’s hybrid all the way |
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Post by julianboolean on Nov 11, 2020 15:51:29 GMT 1
According to what I've just found on tinternet it's only 4KG difference, which I find hard to believe, as the LC rides a lot lighter than the YPVS, I preferred the more planted feel of the YPVS, but seeing as I haven't ridden either in over 25 years, my memory could be wrong.
Be interesting to see if anyone has weighed both of them, the YPVS I'm currently getting track ready has so many parts missing it probably weighs less than an LC.
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Post by stusco on Nov 11, 2020 16:01:32 GMT 1
My haynes manuals say the lc2 is 21kg heavier (164kg) compared to (143kg)for a 350 lc
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Post by julianboolean on Nov 11, 2020 16:07:50 GMT 1
My haynes manuals say the lc2 is 21kg heavier (164kg) compared to (143kg)for a 350 lc That sounds more like it than what I found on the internet with a quick google. That's a lot of lard, my FZR400 weighs less.
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4L0 v 31K
Nov 11, 2020 16:57:43 GMT 1
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Post by lc2 on Nov 11, 2020 16:57:43 GMT 1
Dry weight of the LC2 is 145kg just 2kg heavier than the 4LO.
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