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Post by itsnick350 on Mar 19, 2021 11:59:22 GMT 1
Well after a bit of soul searching Ive caved and ordered a Yaris. The rally homologation story and AWD+Turbo etc just speaks to me as I think those who have read my posts in this thread would have expected. Delivery about the end of the year. Will make a change to own a Toyota lol. Ive never owned one before. Will defo do some comparisons with the Evo and some GC8s when its here. When i drove it I defo felt like a spiritual sucesor to the Evos and Scoobys of the late 90s and as we know from the review that the performance and the handling are on par with those and they are fast enough across country for me these days so very happy. Basically this is a pic of what I ordered, last white car I had was a Triumph Spitfire Mk3 in the late 90s lol EDITED to add... in a 'what goes around, comes around' thing for me and also helps relate this purchase to this very forum: In Japan the GR Yaris is called an 'RZ'. True story. A final thought on this and I'll stop talking GRY, I found a newly posted and quite well thought out / narrated video:
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Post by itsnick350 on Mar 19, 2021 12:01:30 GMT 1
Wait till the tuners crack open the ecu on the Yaris, it’ll be a proper weapon. Of course, then the fun starts with brakes, suspension, seats etc, but that’s what money is for, spending and keeping the world turning
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2021 12:40:46 GMT 1
Jon that’s great. Didn’t realise the lead times were so long on them. Bet you’re excited, you’ll have to start a separate thread on the ownership, be interesting to see how it compares I’m sure it’ll be an absolute missile. 👍 Just watched the review and they used some of my fave words when talking about cars ‘analogue not digital’ ‘fun’ and ‘alive’. Sounds like a whole world of driving experiences. Lots of modern cars leave me cold yes they are fast yes the handle well, but it becomes less about the driver and more about the electronics, that’s why modern bikes leave me cold. Well done buddy I’ll be Uber interested to see how you get on. Thanks Tim. Yes I thought the same with that review, the guy talked about it with much more eloquence than most youtubers, I thought i should watch a few other things hes done as it was thoughtful as well as insightful. FWIW on the GR Yaris forums I see that if you order one in the UK now the delivery is May.... 2022!
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2021 12:45:28 GMT 1
Wait till the tuners crack open the ecu on the Yaris, it’ll be a proper weapon. Of course, then the fun starts with brakes, suspension, seats etc, but that’s what money is for, spending and keeping the world turning Litchfield already have done some work on the ECU and I see the UK cars come with a GPF. I wondered why ours have more bhp and that seems to be the reason, no GPF requirement in Aus. FWIW OEM brakes are really huge 2 piece rotors as standard and 4 pots that look very much like Brembos, but no idea who actually makes them and from what ive seen/read Im not sure on the road it'll need any more brakes as such. Suspension (on what in the uk would be called Circuit pack - here its called Rallye) is said (Harrys Garage on youtube etc) to be pretty good but the litchfield Nitrons are better, but im sure no one on this forum needs to be told a nitron is a good thing lol
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Post by veg on Mar 19, 2021 13:11:21 GMT 1
My gti has gone back so I’m floating classic scooby seen a nice one 2002 15,000 miles but it has that god awful spoiler then looked at the Gr but they are 50% more on a business lease than the latest golf R, but price wise nowhere near as expensive here the track edition is £34,000 golf R quite a lot more, the Irish reviewer is talking €50,000 plus. What colour did you order? Or is it a surprise?
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Post by LC_BOTT on Mar 19, 2021 13:28:56 GMT 1
Quote... Basically this is a pic of what I ordered, last white car I had was a Triumph Spitfire Mk3 in the late 90s lol enjoying this thread, think I might have some pics. as i've just found a couple of old CD's with some on. No memory sticks for me
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2021 13:30:38 GMT 1
My gti has gone back so I’m floating classic scooby seen a nice one 2002 15,000 miles but it has that god awful spoiler then looked at the Gr but they are 50% more on a business lease than the latest golf R, but price wise nowhere near as expensive here the track edition is £34,000 golf R quite a lot more, the Irish reviewer is talking €50,000 plus. What colour did you order? Or is it a surprise? Link the 15k mile 02 (or PM it to me) love to see what youre looking at Tim. The irish prices are insane. luckily our prices are in line with the uk pretty much at the £30-33k range, tho our models are different. We get all the options the uk forumers moan they dont get like HUD, Nav, reverse camera and heated seats even in what is the circuit pack in the UK/EU... but we dont get the parking sensors at all. WTAF?!?! I live in a city where it never freezes or has fog, so id happily trade the foglights and heated seats (and steering wheel?!) for those, I'll need them daily! Im sure the youtubers were saying the GRY was £300pcm on a lease, or has that changed? Errr, no... its defo no secret. its exactly like the one in the pic... thats what i meant. FYI For all car brands the Aussie specs are quite different on all models to other countries. Cos of the smaller market (1/3 population to UK) we usually only have two versions - poverty and luxury - which are self explanatory and often you only get colour as the options with them, you cant add in cup holders or a million other things like uk. its poverty with nowt or luxury with everything. So if you dont want the expensive moonroof or something like that, well you get no choice if you order the luxury one it comes with everything and you pay for it even if you dont want it. So, of course with the GRY we also have a limited range of models and options here. In the base car you get colour choice of pure (fridge) white, metallic black and a different (more maroon'y) red to the uk cars - the colours are the only option on that car, you cannot add anything. The Rallye model (circuit pack as you might know it with torsen diffs, lighter wheel, firmer suspension etc etc) is what i ordered and only comes in Pearl white. The only option on that version is the stitching on the seats, red or white. You might recall from other discussions that when the LC was current we only had one colour for each bike. If you bought a 250 it was Plain Bounty, if you bought a 350 it was a Milk Bounty. No other colours offered and no swapping. Easy to tell if you saw a 250 or 350 when they were new. small market, limited options has never gone away lol.
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2021 13:31:31 GMT 1
Quote... Basically this is a pic of what I ordered, last white car I had was a Triumph Spitfire Mk3 in the late 90s lol enjoying this thread, think I might have some pics. as i've just found a couple of old CD's with some on. No memory sticks for me Cool! Look forward tho those when you locate a spinning disk player
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Post by veg on Mar 19, 2021 14:27:22 GMT 1
Jon if you look at the Uk the comfort pack has the majority of the extra cost options I’ve looked on Toyota’s web site earlier. The lease packages start at £350 with 6000 annual miles 12 months up front over 48 months. I normally do 2 years 15,000 miles 3 months deposit my gti cost £320 plus vat the latest 320bhp R is £380 plus the Yaris which I can only get quotes for are all over £500 plus with a bigger deposit which is counter to what you’d expect with residuals. I’ll pm later the details of the scooby.
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2021 15:35:44 GMT 1
Tim, AFAIK you have to go one of two ways with the GRY in the uk, either circuit or comfort. From what i read/see you cant have both together.
Sorry re the UK lease stuff i am not across this at all, I was only passing on what the uk youtube guys said. I have no idea about uk leasing. Trust me you dont want to lease here, its something like double the uk prices you quoted and very different market with few players etc.
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Post by donkeychomp on Mar 19, 2021 22:33:01 GMT 1
Stonking car. Great choice Jon. Loved the commentator, 'it's genuwinely...' and 'owlary it sounds like a flat 6 Porsche'. I do notice our cars share quite a bit in common. Cup holders. Erm, that's about it.
Alex
ps I had 3 MK3 Spits and would love another. Have you seen the prices these days!!
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2021 23:23:37 GMT 1
Stonking car. Great choice Jon. Loved the commentator, 'it's genuwinely...' and 'owlary it sounds like a flat 6 Porsche'. I do notice our cars share quite a bit in common. Cup holders. Erm, that's about it. Alex ps I had 3 MK3 Spits and would love another. Have you seen the prices these days!! Haha, too funny. I have seen the prices of Spits. I sold mine in 1998 or so when i bought an Alfa Junior Z and couldnt justify having 3 classics. I got £4.5k for a very nicely restored and stunning car. I dont think that would buy you a pile of rusty bits now Loved that car on a summers day and a B road blast with sports exhaust and tuned 1300 it was surprisingly nippy.
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Post by JonW on Mar 22, 2021 5:50:09 GMT 1
Im stuck inside watching youtube as the heavens continue to waterfall over my house. I thought I might try and round off the GRY discussion with this video (geez ive become earthman with this reliance on youtube to tell the story, hmm), but this one I think captured the essence of why i like this car so much. At the same time he was basically without knowing describing why guys who like it also liked the 90's/00's Scooby/Evo as well; you dont look at the mantlepiece while youre stoking the fire - who cares what the exterior/interior looks like when youre actually driving something thats been engineered to be driven. lol Back 20-25 years ago neither Subaru or Mitsubishi were worried about looks, the money went into the drive train. Sorry to have brought so much GRY to this thread, in my defence its the modern equivalent to the cars of old discussed in this thread and I see a lot of parallels with the GRY videos... But yes, we should get back to the job in hand. These are two modern Evo reviews. Interesting stuff. I really must get the Evo out, if only half of Sydney wasnt underwater and we're being told to stay at home. I'd rather not use my car as a canoe... perhaps later in the week it can be out in its element on dirty, wet, leaf strewn corners. It does seem to me that when you feel less like biking, you feel more like driving a car like this.
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Post by donkeychomp on Mar 22, 2021 22:40:31 GMT 1
And that's it in a nutshell. I like cars that need to be driven, not ones that need almost zero input from the driver to move along. Take my Yaris...it's a great little thing but it's just a tool from getting to A to B and sometimes onto C as well. So I am on the look out for something a bit more involved. Not sure I want a 4WD but I have been looking at Mazda MX5s and Toyota MR2s. Prices rising rapidly for both, the older models seem to command a higher price than the newer variants. However I am now back at work and slowly saving my pennies. Who knows, maybe I can get that elusive MK3 Spitfire! I will have to sell my LJ first though...
Alex
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Post by JonW on Mar 23, 2021 1:53:47 GMT 1
And that's it in a nutshell. I like cars that need to be driven, not ones that need almost zero input from the driver to move along. Take my Yaris...it's a great little thing but it's just a tool from getting to A to B and sometimes onto C as well. So I am on the look out for something a bit more involved. Not sure I want a 4WD but I have been looking at Mazda MX5s and Toyota MR2s. Prices rising rapidly for both, the older models seem to command a higher price than the newer variants. However I am now back at work and slowly saving my pennies. Who knows, maybe I can get that elusive MK3 Spitfire! I will have to sell my LJ first though... Alex I agree Alex. I think that many people these days are happy to use a car only for A->B and that is reflected in the dull experience most offer as their buyers are not after thrills, they just want to get there safely and some of them really should never have been given a licence in the first place as they clearly have no aptitude for using it. I will say that the fact manufacturers sell dull cars I do sort of 'get', where i live there is a lot of traffic and much of it is at standstill or moving slowly, there are not that many opportunities to have fun. I guess brands found that if you make an armchair surrounded by safety technology and fit great sound system and make it luxurious then it seems punters will go for that over actual 'driving experience' most times. The bigger the better even. The rise of SUVs here would be unbelievable to even uk drivers where you guys might think that SUVs are on the rise, but trust me here they have already risen and taken over, certainly in Sydney, along with American style pickups that have replaced car based utes. The smallest young mothers youve ever seen apparently mandate they need the biggest SUV to safely cart about their single tiny offspring and as a show of wealth when they go for coffee with their mates. I read a stat that there are something like 40+ different 'small SUVs' in the market now here, i hate to think if you counted all the models in all the sizes, there seems to be a new one launched weekly. So with all the main brands offering multiple ranges/sizes of them its hard to buy much else, after all on the road you do feel vulnerable in say a Suzuki Swift when surrounded by the things. Saloons, hatches and sports cars are pretty much historic curios now at dealers, they treat them like hero cars and put them near the windows and doors to entice punters... those same people who walk right past them and instead buy an SUV/Ute(pickup)/people carrier. They like the look of the hero car, but are convinced that they could never own one as it wouldnt fit with their lives. They also dont want the perceived compromise that those cars offer; small boots, low seating, reduced kid seat access, possible higher insurance and worries about more often (and more costly) servicing. I think this is part of why older cars are now becoming sought after and the price for them is going mad. I dont know if folk just want something fun to drive as a 'classic' outside of the daily grind, or are choosing them for a 'daily' as an antidote to modern boring conveyances. I know it might seem like 5-10 year old cars rising in price and becoming desirable is weird and out of character but actually thats what it was like in the 80s. With British brands dying off and the death of cheap new 'sports cars' by the late 70's/early 80s it only took 5-10 years before we were all going mad for them as classics. Turning off the 'cheap brit drop top' tap led to a new car drought that created a bouyant and therefore rising used market that eventually drove the prices mad, garnered the interest of investors and inevitably crashed of course... but my point is that 5-10 years back affordable sports cars began to dry up as moved into SUVs and now we are seeing prices rise and people treat the old saloons/hatches/sportscars as classics. History repeats as a famous local band once sung... Ok, I also concede that covid also had its say in this space, but to me it just hurried what was coming along anyway. I should make the distinction here that AWD isnt 4WD in my mind, this might be contentions but having been around these cars for years and owners would argue that 4WD is for off road and AWD is for cars, perhaps some readers will know what i mean; one is agricultural and one not so much. The main thing that should denote the 'all' in AWD is that it is permanent, not switched. The plan in the late 70s to get all the drive to the road in poor conditions during competition and everyday use is what i mean. (oh and cars like the Jensen FF notwithstanding, im talking Audi really but lets not go with a history report lol). The cars that are the subject of this thread have permanent AWD, not one end 99% of the time and then the other end is switched in as needed. To me that is just weird, great for tyre wear and fuel consumption - which are two things ive never cared about with a car or a bike and doubt many on here would either. In a performance car I cant quite imagine how you would learn what the car would do in any situation if at times it did different things all the time. Eg. one of the things about real race cars is that they are set up to be reproducible lap after lap, you dont want something different happening depending on conditions etc. there are enough things to go wrong and think about at 10/10ths without wondering what the drive or suspension will act like in the next corner. The thing about the AWD in these cars is that it gives you a feel of immense solidity on the road right from the off. Over the years lots of people who have been passengers and drivers in my cars have commented on that feeling, its like the car is on rails and even at slow speeds cars with AWD just feel 'planted'. This is a curse as well tho as you dont realise how crazy you have to drive to upset that grip. Yes you can slide them and its very rewarding, but thats not the default setting they are about precision as we know, sliding isnt actually the fastest way round a corner. I sometimes think to urge people who have never driven an AWD performance car like a WRX/Evo/GTR/etc to go and drive one. But... I know from my own experience that its not the mind blowing experience that you might expect or hope for. Instead they dont feel silly fast or particularly 'scary'. The reason is that they were designed from the computer gamer era where technology worked to overcome physics a bit, or at least work with it. What i mean is these are not leery back out driving style cars that 'feel fast' at first drive. They are so competent in what they do that they just 'own the road', no matter what it is; straight, curvy, tight or open - they do it all and just dispense with it and move on to the next challenge. Thats not to say youre not involved as you absolutely are or that its not fast and not fun as it certainly is... its just that you can drive these cars very quickly at something like 8/10ths without obvious drama just by keeping your wits about you. These are no V8 RWD hoon cars, they are A/B road crushers and I really dont think many cars could touch them across country even today. I'm sure ive said but I remember the first time I drove the WRX and wasnt blown away, it was 'ok', nothing was wrong it just didnt scare me I think. I said so to the salesman and they said 'yeah but look how much ground we covered in the time we were out'. Ahh ok, yes... very true. And, I wasnt driving hard as it wasnt my car. When I had my own and got used to it i could easily and obviously scare myself, but most decent drivers could drive one reasonably quickly, tho flat out takes a bit more doing as in reality these cars were very fast for their era. Anyway, the competence of these 20+ year old cars still amazes me, they are faster still than a lot of modern stuff and can easily out corner them too. The light weight really works for that. Plus, I do believe that they make such good classics as you can actually use them daily if you wanted. I used to love the rusty, drafty, leaky, poor handling drop top old cars as classics but I was always looking for sunny days to use them as 60's/70's cars had awful wipers and heaters (and rusted) so you worried every time it there was a sniff of rain. I drove a TR7 convertible for years as my daily and sat at my desk at work with the backs of my trouser legs sopping wet from the rain in the footwell, I sat on a plastic bag to avoid a wet arse from the damp seat of course lol. Anyway, point is that these modern classics are almost better in the rain as you get to feel the AWD working for you plus cold wet weather = more boost lol. Anyway, I hear you on the MX5. Mazda seeing what was happening with the classic market for brit sports cars in the 80s decided they would make a modern 60s Lotus Elan in the Japanese style, ie it would start and stop every time you wanted it to and it wouldnt leak oil out the bottom or water through the roof lol. It was such a success that other joined the fray and mazda has kept doing it. In the old days you would struggle to find a person our age who hadnt driven a mini, now i think the MX5 would take that mantle. Its a fun little car in every guise, even the unloved versions are fun and cheap to own, reliable and can be used daily. The MR2 is an interesting one, thats a car that each model seemed to go in a different direction lol. The latter cars were very unloved for years but i see even those are going up in value now. The spit is just a dream considering what they cost and really they are outclassed as a usable car now not just by technology, build quality (after 3 well meaning 'home garage restorations' lol) and of course the cost. Lovely car for summer sundays but... Anyway, enough about them, they are not AWD, but you have got me thinking of the old Ferocious Dolphin... I so wanted to buy that and it was local to me when i the uk and it was up for sale, I saw it quite often hammering around the local lanes, would have been a keeper if id have bought that. Just lovely! from here: www.supercars.net/blog/2000-delfino-feroce/
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Post by JonW on Mar 23, 2021 2:08:55 GMT 1
Further keeping us on track and current... this was on the news yesterday. A GC8 washed up onto the roof of a barn or car port. Another one gone... no wonder prices are always going up. Thats about 40mins from me. This weather has been absolutely gutting for the people out there.
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Post by veg on Mar 23, 2021 10:19:35 GMT 1
Very interesting read jon, I completely agree re 4wd and SUV’s. They are hugely popular where I live, from Ford kugas to Range Rover everyone has one. Even our family car is one I’m pretty rural so for me the long travel suspension is a no brainer. However knowing what Range Rovers build quality is like I’ve always veered away from them but I grew up with 88 and 90 landies still remember my old man hand cranking it in the snow. I have in the past 20 years owned many awd cars as well couple of Subaru Legacy estates which are hugely under rated through to my C4s. I am an ex advanced driver so was taught to make progress cross country so they’ve always been bought for a purpose. As you know I’m keen to continue that but with something visceral not just a box. I enjoy really enjoy just driving and struggle with luxury just for the sake of it, if it minimises the experience. That’s why I had the gti not the R as I felt it was more involving but even that was accomplished but pretty bland. It seems today that cars are becoming more about wafting you from point a to b rather than involving you in the drive, the rise of the auto box is testament to that, some are pretty good but often they are slushomatics, it’s another reason I’m loath to go to a Tesla and their ilk yes they are great if you want unflustered transport but for me where is the soul?
Anyways take care, you’ve had a hell of a time down under if it’s not on fire it’s flooding.
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Post by JonW on Mar 24, 2021 2:33:36 GMT 1
Ahh yes, the old Legacy (called a Liberty here cos of another business using the Legacy moniker) was one of those subarus that you just couldnt kill, from the era when they were still selling to farmers as a way of delivering hay to cattle as well as families doing the local supermarket run. I have friends with well used versions with starship milage. One has a B4 with 330k kms and still on its original engine and gearbox. Its still a solid car that starts on the button and goes really well, I was driving it just the other week actually - wow it seems small compared to modern cars, tho its bigger than a GC8 haha. He had one of the twin turbo estates as well and swapped it to a single unit, the difference was night and day. He tells me one day those cars will be worth money but Im not seeing it happen yet, maybe in another 5 years when the 90s/00s shape cars are mostly gone from our roads (in the same way you rarely see an 80s shaped car now). Sadly he ended up scrapping the estate after ripping out all the good bits as there was zero interest in it when up for sale cheap as chips. Sad really, but maybe those cars are a good place to find a cheap classic to hammer? The C4S was always underrated I believed and Im sure we chatted about that before, its the model I would have chosen in the 996 range for sure. VW has often done strange things with the Golf GTI Ive found and their choices mean you dont always actually enjoy the top of the line model as much as you think you would. Back in the mid 90s the Mk3 had 3 models of GTI, the 1.8 8V, the 16V and the VR6. One day we had them all at work as test cars and I drove them solo back to back on country lanes during an extended lunch break. The models werent just differences in engine according to VW, the suspension was altered as well. Right away I disliked the VR6, it was fast but handled like it had the whole car's weight over the front axle. I wanted that car so much from the specs but it wasnt the A-B road car i wanted, more of a motorway cruiser I guess. The 8V was fine but was missing something in the power department as the chassis could cope with more so the 16V was the best of the bunch for me. Better engine (I'd had a Mk2 16v and loved its 2stroke'esque power band) and the suspension was that bit firmer - VW Ive found has always taken a leaf from Yamaha with shocks, they were always too soft in the springs. So what did i buy? Well, A Corrado... lol. I actually bought the 8V version as they had stopped making Corrados (a lack of airbag issue I was told at the time) and I didnt want a VR6 and thats all that was out there new or close to new at the time. The 8V was actually pretty fast for what it was (better than the specs suggested) and much better handling than the Golf - but the Corrado is a Mk2 underneath not a bloated Mk3. The girl who bought mine in '99 in a dodgy meeting at the M4 services near Reading promptly wrote it off. sigh. Id love another for my 'dream garage'. Anyway, enough Mk2 love lol The modern R has power to all the wheels which would have been hard for me to go past, but I hear you and from my previous experience id have driven them back to back which it sounds like you did, thats the only way for sure to compare if you can find them to drive. The downside for me its a modern VW, great to drive but awful to actually own... my tale of woe with 2010s VW ownership means I will never buy another. As you say Tim the rise of the auto box seems to have increased at the same rate as apathy for actual driving experience - pushing that into a niche of expensive cars with only rare cheap cars offering something fun and the models rarely lasting long in the ranges. For manufacturers of course auto helps their fuel consumption figures by getting into top gear ASAP. In Aus you can get an Auto Only driving licence, or even are given that type by default if you take the test in an auto. unlike when i was at College when I didnt even know anyone with an auto, I now know plenty of people who have never driven a manual and dont see why they should. And that even includes people in their 50s; those people should really just be given a driverless car when they come available, they obviously dont really enjoy doing the exercise. I noticed that Harry (youtube Harry's Garage) tested the E46 M3 CSL with a manual box conversion recently and loved it, so while it took some time the enthusiast gearbox won in the end lol. (FWIW the same week he tested a modern M2 CSL and loved that too, a modern auto with paddles only of course). No video link to those, had too many vids already and they are not AWD lol. Personally Ive struggled with autos to find something that works for me. It has occurred to me that maybe I am the issue if no one else has a problem lol Ive tried all the different technologies over time in cars ive owned or rented/borrowed long term (4-8 weeks) and found them all wanting at some point. The slushmatic was always in the wrong (highest possible) gear for going for gaps in slow moving traffic and took so long to sort itself out the opportunity was missed as i suddenly surged ahead in too low a gear; the DSG was just fragile and ate clutches (12k kms between changes!). The CVT was ('is' as I have it in my WRX) is probably the best technology that ive found, but its not without its faults and many are horrible 'rubber band' feeling. I drove an awful Nissan CVT in an Ultima like that in the states once, just horrible... but the (more sports oriented) subaru version I have is pretty good actually for the type of car it is as its focused on torque and gets off the line well. Almost all autos seem to at some point get confused about what you want, eg the VW DSG gearboxes didnt like one piece of road I use here which is coming off a fast road under braking into a tight 90 degree right, flat out for a short spurt and then brake hard for 90 deg left and floor it again. In doing that one almost brand new cars 'box nearly exploded, making horrendous bangs as it fought to understand what I wanted. I pity who ever owns that car now... Anyway, my point is that after all these gearboxes Ive given up and am happily returning to manual with the GRY. The Evo reminded me that swapping my own cogs is still second nature and I dont even know im doing it as Ive done so many miles like that over my life. The point and squirt driving i need to do round here is much simpler while 'rowing your own' rather than letting some programmer in an office pre-choose gears for you. Of course you can often drive autos in a sport mode but that tends to hold onto the gears too long and raise the idle speed. In traffic makes you look like a hoon or certainly 'trouble' in the mind of other drivers. I guess what you need is some kind of ESP, a neural link to the gearbox (the whole car really) so it knows what youre thinking about doing as you know best what is coming up. I was going to say 'sadly that hasnt happened yet', but its probably for the best... I agree with you its defo like most of the modern world just wants to waft along and the move to cars doing the driving for the owner cant come soon enough for most people I suspect. The numbers of people who actually enjoy driving and make a point of going out for a drive must be dwindling, even tho i see younger guys embrace the 'experience' at my mates workshop I do think most of them just want mods so they can tell the other Fbers that they own them. hmm... Some of those mods are bizarre and theyve not really understood what they do, eg adjustable suspension arms that use standard drive shafts so therefore cannot be adjusted past the OEM specs. They often wont hear that what they have wont work and get upset when its explained to them. Thanks for the thought re our recent biblical deluge. Today is 28 and sunny, but of course the land continues to drain and there is water and debris all over the place. I feel for the people not that far from here who are still underwater. Its been a wet summer for us and this wasnt needed.
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Post by JonW on Mar 24, 2021 6:59:07 GMT 1
Interesting video about the GC8 Ver6 STI with notes against the Evo (I assume 5 as he had one handy and its in other videos of his). Quite in depth.
I agree with a lot of what he says about usability of the subaru platform over the Evo tho I'd happily drive my Evo longer distance, tho its small tank would mean a lot of fuel stops.
Here is his video of the Evo V. Same kind of in depth review.
I did look for some decent videos of the bug eye scooby, but sadly the most obvious ones were from Jayemm and Number 27 but from a time when they did less interesting and insightful reviews about the car, it was mostly about the one car they had at the time - and in this case, each others.
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Post by itsnick350 on Mar 24, 2021 19:03:35 GMT 1
If it’s if any interest jayemm will be doing a video of my modified Subaru spec D sometime shortly, the last date we had sorted was aborted due to heavy rain
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Post by JonW on Mar 24, 2021 22:49:39 GMT 1
If it’s if any interest jayemm will be doing a video of my modified Subaru spec D sometime shortly, the last date we had sorted was aborted due to heavy rain Exellent, defo look forward to that.
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Post by murp on Mar 26, 2021 19:37:44 GMT 1
Drove the gr Yaris today.... ordered one..... Should be getting it by end of the year with cct pack.... Great car... First new car I've ever bought.... Bit of a retirement present to myself..... Anxiety syndrome kicking in now.... It's a fffing lot of money for a car
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Post by donkeychomp on Mar 26, 2021 22:25:00 GMT 1
Yeah but what a car! I reckon a year down the line you could sell it for probably more than you paid for it. Don't think they'll be making many.
Alex
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Post by JonW on Mar 26, 2021 23:03:25 GMT 1
Drove the gr Yaris today.... ordered one..... Should be getting it by end of the year with cct pack.... Great car... First new car I've ever bought.... Bit of a retirement present to myself..... Anxiety syndrome kicking in now.... It's a fffing lot of money for a car Superb! Welcome to the club mate, we should get them round the same time It is a lot of money for a car but its not really just a car. The fact its a bespoke stiff bodyshell with alloy doors/bonnet/boot and the forged carbon roof let alone the special engine means its not your average hot hot hatch based on a normal production car. Not many cars have those light weight bits and bobs or the torsen diffs etc That said at the mo money is worthless in the bank and we are not getting younger, better to enjoy it I say!
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Post by JonW on Mar 26, 2021 23:13:02 GMT 1
Yeah but what a car! I reckon a year down the line you could sell it for probably more than you paid for it. Don't think they'll be making many. Alex I think they will make quite a few but it wont be silly smounts. They are saying they will use the same factory for the GR Corolla (FWD not AWD i hear) in 2022 so the GR Yaris will probably end by then. Not certain, but that seems to be the thought people have at the mo. Its going to be a cult car for sure, but like with bikes im not sure anyone would think its a great investment, perhaps just not as bad as a normal vehicle lol
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Post by JonW on Apr 3, 2021 0:47:21 GMT 1
For those interested in the GRY: Ahead of the final Top Gear in this series they released this teaser clip of Chris Harris in the GRY. The full review will be on the programme on Sunday. For those interested in Evos: Veg kindly sent me this link to Mitsubishi UK's sell off of their classic fleet: www.autoblog.com/2021/04/02/mitsubishi-heritage-fleet-for-sale/Its an online auction and their Evo 6.5 TME (with 10k miles) has bid up to £67k with 27 days to go... yes you read that right, sixty seven thousand pounds. I know its a 10k mile car, but OMFG thats a lot of money for any Evo. Especially one that this year has been drag race launched with the Yaris in the vid I posted recently. It also figures in the JayEmm video series as well, so theyve lent it out quite a bit this last 6 months. Anyway, makes the other cars they listed seem super good value.
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Post by oldbritguy on Apr 4, 2021 21:45:26 GMT 1
Just watched Top Gear tonight. The cat is out of the bag and the general masses now know about this little beauty. Demand will now climb no doubt. You lads who have previously ordered will be grinning like the proverbial Cheshires. Let us know the verdict once they start arriving. John
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Post by JonW on Apr 5, 2021 14:05:30 GMT 1
Just watched Top Gear tonight. The cat is out of the bag and the general masses now know about this little beauty. Demand will now climb no doubt. You lads who have previously ordered will be grinning like the proverbial Cheshires. Let us know the verdict once they start arriving. John Just watched it myself. Not a bad intro for those that had no idea that the GRY existed, or thought it was actually related to the normal Yaris lol. And yes, I expect the dealers will have a few phone calls this next week with potential buyers. It may not be cheap, but it is good value etc. Further on topic: I liked seeing Mitsu UK's TME doing another round of video work before it gets sold in 25 days... the auction is at £75k right now. :/ Sadly it will be a long while til my GRY Rallye arrives, tho in the meantime Ive been driving the Evo to prepare myself for a daily with a manual gearbox...
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Post by murp on Apr 5, 2021 14:29:24 GMT 1
Shame... Review was too track focused imo.... I would have preferred a road test on some b roads.... That to me seems the perfect environment for this car..... I test drove it on some wet country roads around Warley, I'm not a fast driver by any means, but this car made me feel special..... Can't wait to get it
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Post by murp on Apr 5, 2021 14:40:36 GMT 1
If it was the best car Chris Harris has driven in the last few years , it sure is some compliment, considering all the other stuff he drives
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