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Post by 29davyt on Jan 20, 2021 20:15:09 GMT 1
Shocking prices over in Oz Jon !!šµid not pay anywhere near that for an old Scooby mint or not , time to move on ...
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Post by JonW on Jan 20, 2021 23:09:31 GMT 1
Shocking prices over in Oz Jon !!šµid not pay anywhere near that for an old Scooby mint or not , time to move on ... Well, yes... but seems there are plenty of buyers. Im not sure where all the money is coming from, perhaps people are using their pension funds or something lol
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Post by JonW on Jan 21, 2021 1:35:42 GMT 1
I was reflecting on the 22b vs TME video and think it that itās worthy info if youre comparing the two brands as a purchase. Ok, I donāt expect many will be actually buying a 22b, or a TME for that matter, but much of what was said about driving of these cars is valid for the other models as well. After watching it and thinking about what was said I thought Iād put down my own thoughts on the STI vs Evo from the era. Not 22b centric of course, Ive never driven one and I doubt you will either lol So, more about the road cars, specially the JDM sourced machines that directly compare, not WRX vs Evo as thatās unfair on the WRX etc. These cars were direct contemporary competitors. Both have about the same 300bhp (280bhp Gentlemanās agreement). Both have AWD (although different in how it works) and both are small cars by todayās standards. Both offer good handling that wont rattle your fillings out and run on smallish (for today) wheels. Both were based on cheapo base model-ish standard saloon cars and have a bunch of good āof the eraā tech in them. Both you can still get almost all the parts for (the Evo more than the subaru more recently) and both have that old school Japanese quality in them so just seem to keep going and going. I think one very important thing that is mentioned in the video is the differences in how the Evo and the Subaru drive with both owners commenting on each others cars. I do think they hit the nail on the head a bit with that. The Subaru always feels like you need to be involved, no matter the speed, while the Evo will let you have time off if you want and just perform more like a normal car. Thatās not to say the subaru cant be trolled along the motorway as it can with no problem at all, its just that you do seem to work harder in it on country roads. Of course none is perfect and round town the Evo never gets out of 4th, it hates 5th unless youāve some revs on even though it has more torque low down than the subaru. The Evo does come alive once you get on it and the speed rises but does not really like you to be on off the throttle at low speeds and lets you know its not happy about it if youre not used to it ā im sure more than a few test drives lost sales if the dealers were in town as it makes new drivers feel dumb unlike the subaru lol. Once you get used to it tho its fine as you can drive around it and you can easily daily an Evo, in fact I occasionally see a Mines (JDM tuning house) car thatās covered in dust and grime being driven by a guy with a huge grin near my house, heās always got a thumbs up for me... Unless he wonders who the guy in the WRX is who is waving at him as Im not in the evo lol As for using a GC8/GF8 daily, I know plenty of guys who do that here with WRXs. My mate who owns the subaru garageās son has 4 on the go at the mo, but few do that with STIs it seems. Too valuable here maybe. The āstrange feelingā the 22b owner notices when the Evo pivots during cornering is the AYC activating, locking the rear diffs as needed. it only feels strange the first time as you dont expect the car to tighten up and 'dig in' like that, after that itās welcome as thatās part of the magic of the Evo really and you dont even notice it anymore. FWIW if you test drive an evo and it sounds like a braying donkey from the back, thats the diff oils needing to be changed as the clutch baths are dirty - if the AYC light is lit on the dash its the pump needing a rebuild and you can get a kit in the uk for that. Both cars corner well but the Evo is to my mind just that bit better, its like it's stuck like glue to the road at āany speed on any cornerā... Seriously. And I mean āstuckā. Both cars will be going too fast for you to catch them when they let go if youre on it, be aware of that. Ive never crashed either of them, but it would not be pretty as when that happens you will be going very fast. Both do have driver and passenger airbags, tho I believe these are deleted on the motorsport oriented models. Tyres need to be decent quality and newish, beware of stood cars and recently imported cars with cheap tyres the dealer has fitted, mine was like driving on ice on no-name nasty cheap tyres, now is on scrubbed Hankook Ventus RS4s Ive not slipped or spun one since. Another thing, and it could be car dependant of course as who knows what suspension is fitted or like after all this time, but the Evo rides better on rough roads. The suspension is one of the things I love about this era of cars, neither was set up from new to be solid as hell like modern performance cars and the extra side wall of the tyre on smaller wheels helps too. This is one of the reasons why sticking 19s on a GC8 is a mistake ā as a rule with these cars 1ā more is the max from standard if you want to actually drive the car on real roads. Where the Evo is perhaps a bit more plush as well with that is that its a larger base car, its about 90kg heavier partly because of that. But.. Its still 2-300kgs lighter than a modern WRX and 100kgs lighter than a Mk8 Golf Gti. Point the car at a gap in traffic or a corner and either will go where you want, just press the send button and youre there. Braking is never a problem with these cars. Light weight and good brakes will do that. The Evo has brembos all round, but the later subaru 4 pots are fine brakes and easily upgraded as some of the later brembos bolt right on, but youāll need bigger wheels to cover them. The interior of either car is nothing to write home about. Simple and cheap even in the late 90s. Hard plastics, no piano black or mood lighting etc etc. These are both based on cheap cars from non premium manufacturers that originated in the early 90s and were about driving, not smart dash layouts and button design etc. I remember sitting in the WRX at the 1998 UK motorshow and the sales lady hopping in next to me to grab my details for booking a test drive. She asked me what I thought... Sales 101 tells you never to ask a closed question lol. I took some seconds to look around and concluded this wasnāt for me, what a mess of black plastic and random controls and told her so and got out. My mistake. It would be another year before I went to the dealer to drive one, a year I wasted because it wasnāt as pretty inside as my company C class merc or the Corrado I sold when the company gave me the merc. FWIW by the time I did test drive it I wasnāt mega impressed as I hoped as after a 30mins āspiritedā country lane test drive I felt it ālacked the sports car dramaā I wanted to recapture from my GTI days. The salesman asked me to look at the miles we had done and the time it took to do that... OMFG had we motored! The car was so surefooted and drama was there, but not at GTI speeds lol No wonder these were known for their cross country ability. That sold me and I never looked back, interior be dammed when you can go that fast on real roads lol. One thing that test drive proved and Ive always thought since is that neither of these cars are intimidating to drive. These may have Ferrari performance of the era but any fool can drive one and do it well. The cars are that good. Do not fear the test drive, you really wont realise just how fast youre going as the car copes so well. Of course we all travel faster 0-60 and 50-70 now than we did 20 years back so its not quite so alien, but back in the late 90s you could just whizz past anything on an A road overtake or away from the lights. The subaru comes in multiple guises and simple AC was an option on UK/EU sourced WRX models, only the STI got climate as its a JDM car and the Japanese like AC. The Evo is simpler in its model range and all GSRs have decent working climate as standard - my wife says its the best AC weāve had in any car, high praise really for a 23year old car. Less important in the UK maybe, but very important here lol. The subaru has all sorts of different buttons strewn at random it seems, the Evo has the less-is-more approach but the random scatter is much the same. FYI all JDM cars have folding mirrors to help make better use of the lack of space in Japanese cities if you didnāt know. Seats are great in both cars, subaru did a great job with the WRX seat it is a great thing to sit in and the Evo has Recaros of course which are lovely and plush as well as grippy. I would say you seem to sit lower and more āinā inside the subaru but its very close. All said I prefer to be in the Evo, I find the slightly larger car suits me better these days. Steering wheels are both Momo in most models (earlier subarus are Nardi) and remember JDM cars have indicators on the right, you WILL wipe the screen a few times when you drive one until you get used to that lol. Dials are late 90s white in some models (blue and red in the 6/6.5 lol), they light up red in the evo and green in the subaru. Both cars could be had with optional Lamco boost gauges, the evos other options included suspension upgrades and other cool stuff, mine came with only one option... Tweeters. Sigh... Why coudnt the PO have ticked the suspension option?! Ive since fitted the optional boost gauge (its basically an early Defi). Engine... Both enjoy much the same specs as we know but are totally different layouts. The subaru boxer engine has the better noise really, but it can get wearing with big pipes. The 4G63 in the evo is not as sonically pleasing up front, its a bit ābeltyā, and thatās overlaid with lots of pump noises as well as the car has the AYC pump as well. The standard Evo exhaust has a great muted-but-deep sound though which is great when you hear one drive past, but for the driver its not anything special really, the subaru has that ābeatā. Flat 4s will do that The subaru engine is much easier to work on, as is the whole car really. Subaru made the WRX for the masses so did lots of performance Imprezzas over the years, wheras Mitsubishi only did 6000ish Evos a year only to follow the rules to support the rally team and maintenance is not as easy as they crammed a lot into the cars with parts not designed for the car originally. Service intervals are shorter on the Evo (4500 miles) and there are a lot of oils to change in the rear diff etc. Many of the jobs will cost more to have done on the Evo just because to get to one thing you have to remove something else, but specialist are out there and it is 'affordable' and also possible to do much work yourself. So yes really living with either car in 2021 is fine. Parts are still out there, just look at the parts books on Amayama or Megazip and the local dealers/specalists. Values are strong and they keep up (still beating really) modern traffic. They have abs, airbags etc and crash well enough being strong cars. Here theft is rife sadly and sadly as prices rise any JDM 90s car is a target as they have rubbish security. I suspect they are getting exported as Im not seeing parts flooding the 2nd hand market as such. A few years back these cars seemed to be outdated and oulandish with their massive spoilers, but then Honda released the Civic Type R and suddenly they look acceptable again, tho I would still say the Evo has the greater āmenaceā when you look in your rear view mirror and see one coming up fast behind you. Lol. The huge FMIC, mesh grilles, foglights and wide arches are quite aggressive and different for each model. Evo forums are full of owners who want to tell you what that like about each one and which they prefer lol FWIW you can mix and match he 4,5,6,6.5 front bumper on these cars. A word on Subarus with FMICs... Im not a fan as I think these cars are great as they were supplied. You dont need a FMIC unless you want big power and if you do then dont buy an Sti, you should start with a cheaper WRX. Lots of FMICs were fitted in Aus to subarus and they cut the bodywork and bumpers out to do it which ruins the car for a collector cos as we know originality sells when cars and bikes become classics. That said, lots of these cars were modified as they were like LCs and everyone wanted to do something with them, although many JDM buyers seemed to just leave them alone or went mad, no inbetween really. Bottom line, both will put a smile on your face yet they do it in subtly different ways. I would own both if I could, tho my wife would say they were āthe sameā lol. All said and done Im happy to have either and and pleased I took the plunge to do it. Hope some of that info helps anyone thinking of buying one, defo drive them both if you can, youāll be glad you did.
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Post by JonW on Mar 11, 2021 7:57:34 GMT 1
Drove the GR Yaris today. Probably the closest in ethos and experience to the STI/Evos of 2 decades ago, and also bizarrely the same power to weight so the stats are the same. Makes you realise and remember just how ahead of their time those cars were.
I saw a video where they drag race (poorly at times) an Evo and a GRY and its pretty even.
I'd quite like one as it'd make a great daily with the Evo being worth such stupid money now and having no security. Here, right now, my Evo is worth more than a new GRY by some margin. Crazy C-19 world.
Anyone else tried one?
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Post by veg on Mar 11, 2021 9:40:07 GMT 1
Iād never heard of them just looked they are Ā£33000, thatās golf gti money or used golf r or? Or ? Or ? I like it, Iāve just read up on it, itās impressive but Ā£33000?
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Post by itsnick350 on Mar 11, 2021 13:06:24 GMT 1
Whilst my Subaru is a 2007 spec d (sti in silver and leather interior) Iāve had it for 12 years. Iāve always called it my āmy 4 wheel motorbikeā and I agree, is it built for modifying. My ethos is @wgen it breaks, upgradeā current spec: cosworth crank, pistons, rods, sc46 turbo, grim speed top fount, decay exhaust, Link G4 stand alone ecu, 1000cc ID injectors, BGR suspension, Alcon 365mm brakes, rally seat. Itās running 450 hp and the wife refuses to go in it. Donāt care about the raising values as just like my 31k itāll be sold when I depart the mortal coil
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Post by JonW on Mar 11, 2021 13:12:01 GMT 1
Iād never heard of them just looked they are Ā£33000, thatās golf gti money or used golf r or? Or ? Or ? I like it, Iāve just read up on it, itās impressive but Ā£33000? Haha, its a dedicated shell with alloy panels and a carbon roof and an all new AWD drive train, it was always going to be exy... in fact i think its probably not making them much money really, its not a quick car to build etc. The Golf R is the closest (AWD and performance) the GTI isnt in the same league. Tho Id never buy another VW product after my last experience so thats not in the running for me. But hey thats just me i know Tim, did you progress looking for a scooby in the end?
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Post by JonW on Mar 11, 2021 13:16:18 GMT 1
Whilst my Subaru is a 2007 spec d (sti in silver and leather interior) Iāve had it for 12 years. Iāve always called it my āmy 4 wheel motorbikeā and I agree, is it built for modifying. My ethos is @wgen it breaks, upgradeā current spec: cosworth crank, pistons, rods, sc46 turbo, grim speed top fount, decay exhaust, Link G4 stand alone ecu, 1000cc ID injectors, BGR suspension, Alcon 365mm brakes, rally seat. Itās running 450 hp and the wife refuses to go in it. Donāt care about the raising values as just like my 31k itāll be sold when I depart the mortal coil The values going up frightens me as I live in a massive city with plenty of thieves targeting cars like my Evo, so I have to be a careful where i leave it. I mean its pretty bad when you cant really go to a mall or movie as youd worry it wouldnt be there when you came out. That will pass eventually but for now the high prices mean parts cost a lot so theyve become a target. Each month at least one subaru GC8 seems to be stolen on the Aussie forums, the other week two got nicked the same night. Ok, its less so with Evos but there are a lot less of them here. Sounds like a fun car Nick. Its probably better the wife doesnt go in it really
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Post by JonW on Mar 11, 2021 13:17:47 GMT 1
While this thread was never meant for the GRY as its too modern, it does have a lot in common with the cars of this thread. With that in mind, this is a good video for those who dont know what one is:
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Post by veg on Mar 11, 2021 15:40:02 GMT 1
Ahh explains a lot then I do quite like it, Iām still looking not got any rush at the moment. I would love another 911 c4s but I canāt and wonāt buy another due to costs not just purchase but every service was min of Ā£1500 that was also non main dealer but I did use it as my daily driver. Iām replacing the wifeās cayenne soon for another, 18 month old one and have handed my golf gti back (leased through my business) so we are down to one car but Iām not doing the miles anymore. Iām deffo interested in bug eye sti love the look of them itāll probably be a Japanese import but most are big miles. Interesting to note that the makkinen was Ā£35,000 20 years ago so youād be thinking Ā£50k at todayās price if they did one.
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Post by st66 on Mar 11, 2021 22:07:01 GMT 1
Tosh,,, hate subarus hate working on them, hate evos too,, hate working on them too,, but just my personal choice,, both rustlike the titanic, and for all you rice grinder lovers.,,, IT'S NOT A FORD š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£
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Post by donkeychomp on Mar 11, 2021 22:44:27 GMT 1
I have a Yaris. It's brilliant.
Alex
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Post by veg on Mar 11, 2021 22:55:29 GMT 1
I bought a used one for my dad few years ago it was a gsi? I was surprised how nippy it was, sorry for thread hijack jon anyway back to 4wd turbo rally cars.
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Post by JonW on Mar 12, 2021 0:20:02 GMT 1
Ahh explains a lot then I do quite like it, Iām still looking not got any rush at the moment. I would love another 911 c4s but I canāt and wonāt buy another due to costs not just purchase but every service was min of Ā£1500 that was also non main dealer but I did use it as my daily driver. Iām replacing the wifeās cayenne soon for another, 18 month old one and have handed my golf gti back (leased through my business) so we are down to one car but Iām not doing the miles anymore. Iām deffo interested in bug eye sti love the look of them itāll probably be a Japanese import but most are big miles. Interesting to note that the makkinen was Ā£35,000 20 years ago so youād be thinking Ā£50k at todayās price if they did one. I remember you saying about the lack of miles before, I am in the same boat. My WRX has 32k kms on it, about 20k miles and its just had its 5th birthday. Seems criminal to sell it but well, its 5 years old and its always nice to have something 'new'. lol Yes the Evos were always Ā£30+k when they were current by the time they landed in the uk. Back then I paid 16k for my new WRX from Holland all landed and tax applied, the same spec was Ā£21k in the uk at the time. It was still quite a jump to an imported STi or Evo from the uk cars back then, you had to really want one. I expect the Subaru P1 must have been high 20s when it came out, its mostly a JDM Sti Version 6 built for export and then Prodrived ('Prodriven' lol) up. Anyway, I think the GR Yaris represents good value when you consider what they did and how many they will sell. Sure its not perfect and the interior has low budget plastics, but it does have lots of toys and safety features. I did like the colour heads up display that reads the road signs and shows you the road speeds and to be honest left the main cluster dials totally redundant most of the time, you just needed them now and then etc. Keeping eyes on the road is always good. But, Ive never had a HU display before so it was a nice feature. Amusingly when i checked the size stats the GRY has the same wheelbase as my Evo, the boot makes the evo longer and the yaris is only slightly wider. You'd think being a small car that it would be smaller, but as usual all modern cars have grown fatter. One thing I did think was good is that the ride quality was very on point. Its not as soft as the Evo which is amazing for a car with its performance really, but cars 20years back were softer and had smaller wheels (17s in the evo case). My 2016 WRX is always harsh on bumps and bottoms on the front when thrown (ie 5mph too much) over speed bumps and isnt a great setup from new, the fact it weighs so much is the issue I reckon. Of course I'm comparing standard suspension here and reckon the fact the GRY is 400kg lighter helps a lot. What I did think was interesting was the 3 cylinder engine in the GRY. Its grunty and has a big turbo for its size. Its a little laggy at low revs cos of that, but no worse than cars like the Evo, i think we are just used to cars with smaller turbos now. A simple flick of the wrist on the lovely to use manual box and you fix that quickly with a down change, the raised lever is perfectly in place for dropping your hand off the wheel and you never need to wonder where it is. Short throw too. All very intuitive. The clutch is light as a feather (and maybe a bit over sprung?) as cos of that can be a bit snatchy pulling away. Everyone in the reviews seems to have stalled it and I did too as I pulled off the lot at the dealer. The stop/start restarted it for me. hmm. I then switched that off lol. I only did that once tho, you soon get used to it. What is funny is the thought of an everyday car with a manual box, Ive had autos of all sorts the last 15 years although always had a second car that was manual. The traffic here is so bad that we always say that a manual is a mistake... hmm... we are considering moving tho.... lol
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Post by JonW on Mar 12, 2021 0:26:04 GMT 1
Tosh,,, hate subarus hate working on them, hate evos too,, hate working on them too,, but just my personal choice,, both rustlike the titanic, and for all you rice grinder lovers.,,, IT'S NOT A FORD š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ No, youre right. Neither are a fords. I dont hate any car that works. I might dislike working on them but if they are fun to drive - which usually means fast or handle well - then Im all in. Same with bikes. Everyone has their personal preferences with things. Want to drive a ford or ride a harley them Im still interested in what you have to say about em. Maybe im weird, but I just love vehicles. What I never understand is people who have hate of inanimate objects, even stranger to me is to post in a thread about it. Each to his own I guess, its a free world. Anyway, lets not get into it here. Leave this thread for us 'rice grinder lovers', whatever that means.
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Post by JonW on Mar 12, 2021 0:27:01 GMT 1
I have a Yaris. It's brilliant. Alex Cool Alex, if i get one then we can start a Yaris thread on here. Im sure that will go down well. lol
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Post by JonW on Mar 12, 2021 0:31:55 GMT 1
I bought a used one for my dad few years ago it was a gsi? I was surprised how nippy it was, sorry for thread hijack jon anyway back to 4wd turbo rally cars. Ive driven the standard one (of course as we know its a totally different car in reality lol) when my Mother In Law wanted a new car in 2016. I thought it was well built and went fine for its size. We also tested a bunch of other things but in the end she bought a Mazda 2. I negotiated a deal on the top of the range with a natty white leather interior with red and black accents which was a horribly expensive option. It sounds weird, but it looks amazing and she loves it. Ahh doing deals... a thing of the past here. No dealers have stock now and the salesmen sit back and just keep saying 'its the list price' when Ive been trying to deal. I hate that. I dont need a dealer to pay list, I can do that on the internet. pah. One dealer told me they would sell cars for over list if they could but are bound by law to only sell at list prices. The fact stock is so low here right now means that people would over pay and be happy just to get a car. I think in the uk that situation hasnt happened yet, buy while you still can get a deal is my advice. It feels very strange (and wrong) to have to pay RRP
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Post by veg on Mar 12, 2021 0:47:04 GMT 1
Iām with you on that jon I may not like something out of personal experience but Iām open to most things Iād love an 88 or 90 Land Rover grew up with them, 2cv yes please š Before my last job Iād worked in bike shops and progressed to car sales got to drive some mega motors back in the day M3ās M5ās Amg mercs the only thing that nearly killed me was an E30 325 sport on a wet road . The best car Iāve ever owned for fun was my Rover Cooper S the most visceral car. My mate owns a new moggie 3 wheeler thatās similar.
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Post by veg on Mar 12, 2021 0:48:52 GMT 1
Hence why I never buy the family/wifeās car new but usually lease my own. I may look at how much they are to lease or at least try to blah a go in one.
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Post by JonW on Mar 12, 2021 1:07:17 GMT 1
Iām with you on that jon I may not like something out of personal experience but Iām open to most things Iād love an 88 or 90 Land Rover grew up with them, 2cv yes please š Before my last job Iād worked in bike shops and progressed to car sales got to drive some mega motors back in the day M3ās M5ās Amg mercs the only thing that nearly killed me was an E30 325 sport on a wet road . The best car Iāve ever owned for fun was my Rover Cooper S the most visceral car. My mate owns a new moggie 3 wheeler thatās similar. Totally agree mate. I've gone on record here before saying after something like 7 VWs that I will never buy another one. Lovely to drive, awful to actually own. But i get that some people havent had my problems and love the cars. Go enjoy i say, but id advise against it as thats just my 2c advice now. I also love cars like the Landys. I keep looking for S3 lightweight as a project, but we dont seem to have any here doesnt have to always be fast. I think i just like stuff that is good at its job really. I saw a 2CV on the road the other day here. Very very rare in Aus. And yes it was going uphill, 2 up. The queue behind it was a sight to behold as the road was a double white liner lol Ive been lucky enough to own a bunch of very fast and flash cars and be able to use them in anger and luckily not that many have actively tried to kill me... actually a 2 liter Cortina nearly did when I was showing off to a girl when i was 18 in the wet, at night on a country lane. Amusingly it was her sisters car and I didnt bin it lol. But I dont hate fords cos of that or anything, In fact my wife's 2001 puma was a superb car to drive. Really fun. What I have discovered is that while i appreciate a 'quality car', the brand superiority (snobbery? lol) of old is just a myth now. German cars are not better anymore. I think al lot has to be understood about your own interaction with a vehicle and what works for you. I've realised that I like cars that are precise and engineered to work. Fast across country in adverse conditions is about speedy progress, not sliding and 'cool antics'. The best A and B road cars Ive had have been AWD and turbo charged, they hug the road and go where you point them and stay there reliably time after time at silly speeds. When i look back I also find that they have mostly been Japanese, tho some others have ticked the box as well. The japanese cars do tend to be a little quirky in places, but nothing quite like a French car lol, Anyway their build quality usually also endows them with longevity unlike so many others. Ive also realised that I dont actually care about scratchy plastics, random switch placement / design and how good the radio works if im focused on 'driving' a car and enjoying the technology under the skin. I guess I havent really progressed from where i was 20 years ago when i bought my first WRX haha. But hey, Im preaching to the converted here, no one here has progressed much since they were in their late teens re bikes LOL!
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Post by 29davyt on Mar 12, 2021 9:27:00 GMT 1
Fortunately in the U.K. you can still get a decent deal on most new cars, some marques donāt and have never entertained it but usually itās the High end stuff. Some Car magazines actually have a price index in them of what you should be aiming at paying for that particular model against the rrp which should help as a guide for most . Not sure if youāve heard of āCar Wowā Jon but I used them last year , you basically put in the car details youāre after then dealers send you prices for cars they have available from stock or new from order, I managed to get a brand spanking new A35 Merc premium plus for about Ā£6K under rrp, thankfully this car was from stock as if Iād placed a 3 months new to order car it would of never happened due to COVID. Still there is a downside ?? Yes you still have to pay the ridicules Ā£470 road tax on the cars rrp and not what you paid for it, Iāve just shelled this out and got to say it always hurts š¢.
Anyway back to AWD rally inspired motors !!
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Post by donkeychomp on Mar 12, 2021 22:29:30 GMT 1
I bought a used one for my dad few years ago it was a gsi? I was surprised how nippy it was, sorry for thread hijack jon anyway back to 4wd turbo rally cars. Ive driven the standard one (of course as we know its a totally different car in reality lol) when my Mother In Law wanted a new car in 2016. I thought it was well built and went fine for its size. We also tested a bunch of other things but in the end she bought a Mazda 2. I negotiated a deal on the top of the range with a natty white leather interior with red and black accents which was a horribly expensive option. It sounds weird, but it looks amazing and she loves it. Ahh doing deals... a thing of the past here. No dealers have stock now and the salesmen sit back and just keep saying 'its the list price' when Ive been trying to deal. I hate that. I dont need a dealer to pay list, I can do that on the internet. pah. One dealer told me they would sell cars for over list if they could but are bound by law to only sell at list prices. The fact stock is so low here right now means that people would over pay and be happy just to get a car. I think in the uk that situation hasnt happened yet, buy while you still can get a deal is my advice. It feels very strange (and wrong) to have to pay RRP Actually it has Jon. The new Suzuki Jimny is now so sought after that 4-5K over list price is the norm. Used ones are costing more than new ones! Alex
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Post by JonW on Mar 12, 2021 22:31:32 GMT 1
Fortunately in the U.K. you can still get a decent deal on most new cars, some marques donāt and have never entertained it but usually itās the High end stuff. Some Car magazines actually have a price index in them of what you should be aiming at paying for that particular model against the rrp which should help as a guide for most . Not sure if youāve heard of āCar Wowā Jon but I used them last year , you basically put in the car details youāre after then dealers send you prices for cars they have available from stock or new from order, I managed to get a brand spanking new A35 Merc premium plus for about Ā£6K under rrp, thankfully this car was from stock as if Iād placed a 3 months new to order car it would of never happened due to COVID. Still there is a downside ?? Yes you still have to pay the ridicules Ā£470 road tax on the cars rrp and not what you paid for it, Iāve just shelled this out and got to say it always hurts š¢. Anyway back to AWD rally inspired motors !! Thanks for that, you reminded me that we do have a similar thing here run by John Codogan (probably best to google him and watch his videos, hes an outspoken automotive journalist).
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Post by JonW on Mar 12, 2021 22:33:46 GMT 1
Ive driven the standard one (of course as we know its a totally different car in reality lol) when my Mother In Law wanted a new car in 2016. I thought it was well built and went fine for its size. We also tested a bunch of other things but in the end she bought a Mazda 2. I negotiated a deal on the top of the range with a natty white leather interior with red and black accents which was a horribly expensive option. It sounds weird, but it looks amazing and she loves it. Ahh doing deals... a thing of the past here. No dealers have stock now and the salesmen sit back and just keep saying 'its the list price' when Ive been trying to deal. I hate that. I dont need a dealer to pay list, I can do that on the internet. pah. One dealer told me they would sell cars for over list if they could but are bound by law to only sell at list prices. The fact stock is so low here right now means that people would over pay and be happy just to get a car. I think in the uk that situation hasnt happened yet, buy while you still can get a deal is my advice. It feels very strange (and wrong) to have to pay RRP Actually it has Jon. The new Suzuki Jimny is now so sought after that 4-5K over list price is the norm. Used ones are costing more than new ones! Alex Ahh yes the Jimny... another car with supply issues. They are about 50% more expensive as used cars on the Suzuki dealer's lots here in Aus. I walked past one at a dealer the other day and it was a snip under $45k, list on a Jimny is under $30! I was a bit shocked to see them at that price, its brand new Golf GTI money!
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Post by donkeychomp on Mar 12, 2021 22:42:33 GMT 1
I know, it's insane. They do look good but my 1980 LJ will piss all over one off road Alex
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Post by JonW on Mar 16, 2021 0:49:22 GMT 1
A gentle nudge back to the subject at hand... An amusing video from 2014 when you could buy really quite nice Scoobys and Evos for next to nothing. I cant quite get over the fact that Ā£7k would buy you a <50k kms TME or that 4k would net you any kind of RB5, but she does say 'from' I guess. I'd love a Ā£4k RB5 to go in my garage... damn... Anyway... The buying advice was what amused me... Subaru - (and I'll paraphrase) 'they rust in the rear arches... but even if theyve been redone dont trust the repair as its made of cheese'... strange advice to dis a repaired car lol, its like saying treat all of them as if they are rusty even if the owner can prove hes fixed the rust lol. There are lots of other things to check on a classic scooby so the rust thing was a weird thing to pick imho. Of course, they dont really rust in Aus... you almost never see one with rusty arches and yet of course i bet almost all the uk cars have that rust Evo - (and I'll paraphrase) 'Make sure the AYC is working'. Ok, yep good advice. Its not electric tho, the AYC is hydraulically controlled using an electrically driven pump. The pump fails and thats what gives you the AYC light on the dash. The failure is usually rust related inside the pump and these days can be fixed by a pro or you can DIY it using kits from these guys - www.evolution-hydraulics.com/evo4-6?page=2 - The noises she was talking about can be real issues, tho she omitted the 'donkey's braying noise' which indicates the AYC's clutches are dirty and need an oil change, fiddly to do but not expensive as its just some oil out/in. Under Ā£100 at a dealer etc.
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Post by donkeychomp on Mar 16, 2021 22:42:27 GMT 1
Vicky Butler Henderson...phwoar.
Alex
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Post by st66 on Mar 17, 2021 21:28:40 GMT 1
Tosh,,, hate subarus hate working on them, hate evos too,, hate working on them too,, but just my personal choice,, both rustlike the titanic, and for all you rice grinder lovers.,,, IT'S NOT A FORD š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£š¤£ No, youre right. Neither are a fords. I dont hate any car that works. I might dislike working on them but if they are fun to drive - which usually means fast or handle well - then Im all in. Same with bikes. Everyone has their personal preferences with things. Want to drive a ford or ride a harley them Im still interested in what you have to say about em. Maybe im weird, but I just love vehicles. What I never understand is people who have hate of inanimate objects, even stranger to me is to post in a thread about it. Each to his own I guess, its a free world. Anyway, lets not get into it here. Leave this thread for us 'rice grinder lovers', whatever that means. I belive that was a dig??? š¤Øš¤Øš¤š¤š¤ Mmmm I think ile leave that one and won't arise to it,, just my personal experience of over twenty years building professional level rally cars, but as I said will not rise š
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2021 3:23:56 GMT 1
Well after a bit of soul searching Ive caved and ordered a Yaris. The rally homologation story and AWD+Turbo etc just speaks to me as I think those who have read my posts in this thread would have expected. Delivery about the end of the year. Will make a change to own a Toyota lol. Ive never owned one before. Will defo do some comparisons with the Evo and some GC8s when its here. When i drove it I defo felt like a spiritual sucesor to the Evos and Scoobys of the late 90s and as we know from the review that the performance and the handling are on par with those and they are fast enough across country for me these days so very happy. Basically this is a pic of what I ordered, last white car I had was a Triumph Spitfire Mk3 in the late 90s lol EDITED to add... in a 'what goes around, comes around' thing for me and also helps relate this purchase to this very forum: In Japan the GR Yaris is called an 'RZ'. True story. A final thought on this and I'll stop talking GRY, I found a newly posted and quite well thought out / narrated video:
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Post by veg on Mar 19, 2021 9:04:10 GMT 1
Jon thatās great. Didnāt realise the lead times were so long on them. Bet youāre excited, youāll have to start a separate thread on the ownership, be interesting to see how it compares Iām sure itāll be an absolute missile. š Just watched the review and they used some of my fave words when talking about cars āanalogue not digitalā āfunā and āaliveā. Sounds like a whole world of driving experiences. Lots of modern cars leave me cold yes they are fast yes the handle well, but it becomes less about the driver and more about the electronics, thatās why modern bikes leave me cold. Well done buddy Iāll be Uber interested to see how you get on.
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