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Post by mille1000 on May 16, 2018 20:38:14 GMT 1
Posting here on behalf of a mate who isn't tinternet savvy, he bought a complete Lc many years ago only to discover that the frame and cases had been restamped badly, he then took a file to the headstock to try and get rid of the number, he then bought another frame and matching cases With V5 from someone who had ground the number off the headstock and was going to restamped it.
He now wants to sell it and is wondering what the best options are, the bike is a 250 but with all 350 parts, it's been resprayed White and blue, white powder coated wheels, loads of spares. Is he better stripping the bike and selling it in bits or leaving it complete ?
Thanks
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Post by donkeychomp on May 16, 2018 21:00:35 GMT 1
If he thinks it's nicked I'd say mainly worthless unless some dodgy git buys it, but why sell a stolen frame? Parts though are worth a lot, sell the parts, junk the frame and engine casings.
Alex
Better yet cut up the frame and sell parts like the centre stand mount etc
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Post by shaunthe2nd on May 16, 2018 21:04:46 GMT 1
plus one on what donkeychomp says
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 16, 2018 21:07:13 GMT 1
Yep
Strip it, cut up the frame and sell the rest
Steve
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Post by wonkywheel on May 16, 2018 21:10:44 GMT 1
Wow 😲, that’s a heavy first-post question on behalf of a friend. As the DVLA and Police are a complete mess these days, anything is possible!
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Post by rigga on May 16, 2018 21:15:41 GMT 1
As said, as a complete bike he can't sell it, well he could, but the buyer would be a shady git .... strip and sell what bits are left.
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Post by sbscnor on May 16, 2018 21:16:47 GMT 1
Now that is a mess, strip it sell the parts and cut the frame up and sell the frame parts you will probably get more for the parts than originally paid for the complete bike based on Ebay prices.
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Post by mille1000 on May 16, 2018 21:21:37 GMT 1
It's def not stolen as he has the v5 document for the matching frame and cases, cases are original stamp but headstock has been "dressed"
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Post by wonkywheel on May 16, 2018 21:23:26 GMT 1
How about this... restamp the ground headstock with *NOTSTOLEN80S*
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Post by iwantalc on May 16, 2018 21:34:46 GMT 1
Wow 😲, that’s a heavy first-post question on behalf of a friend. As the DVLA and Police are a complete mess these days, anything is possible! exactly what I was going to say ,, 1st post ,, not hello new to the forum , but on behalf of a mate ??
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Post by mattybeckett on May 16, 2018 21:36:18 GMT 1
How about this... restamp the ground headstock with *NOTSTOLEN80S* Or *R1N6ER4L0/1* Should be ok .
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 16, 2018 21:45:30 GMT 1
It's def not stolen as he has the v5 document for the matching frame and cases, cases are original stamp but headstock has been "dressed" A lot of stuff went on Easy to write your bike off, steal another then bring the frame number off and fit the number plate off the written off one I recently had a matching numbers 31k. Pity the frame was stamped by a 5 year old Steve
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Post by mille1000 on May 16, 2018 22:07:09 GMT 1
Not trying to do anything dodgy or illegal he just wants some advise, so it looks like the bike will be stripped and the parts going on eBay
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 16, 2018 22:16:18 GMT 1
Not trying to do anything dodgy or illegal he just wants some advise, so it looks like the bike will be stripped and the parts going on eBay Not saying you or your mate are dodgy in any way Unfortunately these bikes are near 40 years old and dozens of owners from a time when lots went on Very few know the history of these bikes Steve
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Post by ringding on May 16, 2018 22:56:33 GMT 1
I had a similar situation. Bought one of my LC's as a box of bits. When I got around to stripping the frame I found that under the powdercoating was a diff number to the V5. Engine number was correct. I scrapped the frame and told DLVA. It was a PITA, as was hoping to end up with a runner but could never have brought myself to sell it on and wasn't going to put effort into something that I could never move on.
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Post by JonW on May 17, 2018 0:10:09 GMT 1
Just cos the V5 matches the frame doesnt mean the frame number is right for that frame. People used to sell V5s taken from accident damaged / scrapped bikes back in the day, guys bought those V5s and then stole the same year and type of bike on the V5 and re stamped the numbers to match the v5 off the dead bike. Thats why youre not allowed to sell V5s on their own anymore.
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Post by Mr Kipling on May 17, 2018 5:06:44 GMT 1
Wow , has this gone completely over the top of my head or am I missing something here , loads of us where recently looking out for a couple of bikes or bits of bikes that where stolen , CONFUSED !!!!
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Post by rd350rob on May 17, 2018 7:56:33 GMT 1
Wow , has this gone completely over the top of my head or am I missing something here , loads of us where recently looking out for a couple of bikes or bits of bikes that where stolen , CONFUSED !!!! +1; was just thinking exactly the same thing.
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Post by Norbo on May 17, 2018 8:08:28 GMT 1
sounds like its a stolen bike with a genuine V5 that was acquired at some pont the numbers put on the stolen bike. This could have been done done 15 years agao but never the less is a nicked bike you or your mater has with a V5 from a legitimate crashed or damage frame.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 17, 2018 8:40:04 GMT 1
Wow , has this gone completely over the top of my head or am I missing something here , loads of us where recently looking out for a couple of bikes or bits of bikes that where stolen , CONFUSED !!!! Yeah and still looking 😠Let's face it that it's most likely a ringer Less likely but possible it was written off and a legit frame used but number removed to stop it conflicting with the v5 Either way probably a couple of decades ago but now inherited Either way it's dodgy at best Best cut up as said Steve
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Post by mille1000 on May 17, 2018 11:37:53 GMT 1
100% not stolen as he has both V5S for the badly restamped frame and the other frame, Bike was restored built up and then he lost interest and its sat in his garage ever since, How much would a 250 frame cost as I suppose a non matching numbers bike is better than selling it for parts. What are the most valuable and sort after parts I know it has almost mint small can allspeeds, mint unmarked white powder coated wheels, very good condition White/blue bodywork.
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Post by shaunthe2nd on May 17, 2018 13:55:53 GMT 1
Some of the harder to get and costly parts as follows: -centre stand -tool tray -uncut rear number plate holder -uncut rear sub-frame -coil cover -standard 350 pipes -350 brakes caliper pair -350 horn bracket -nicely chromed grab rail -decent 350 carbs 4L0/01 best -forks if no rust -seat if has decent front plastic fork -headlamp ears -loom if not butchered
You will get good money for a running engine, and full body kit if in good nick. You will get good money for the microns. In fact most parts are saleable, although maybe a few about, but still get decent money for things like footpegs, uncut rear mudguards, alloy foot hangers, indicator set, headlamp, etc. As someone else also said, you can chop the frame and sell of the various brackets and bits and pieces, peaople always on look out for them.
Painted wheels can be hit and miss, sometimes you can't give them away as need a lot of work if you want to put them back to standard.
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Post by mille1000 on May 17, 2018 14:32:50 GMT 1
This one has all of those parts from memory, as I said he restored it then someone told him the frame had been restamped and he lost interest, He has a mint set of small can allspeeds too with one unnoticeable dent on the underside. He said something about the standard pipes on it being a thicker flange ?
So how much should he be asking for those parts
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Post by mattybeckett on May 17, 2018 14:54:38 GMT 1
This one has all of those parts from memory, as I said he restored it then someone told him the frame had been restamped and he lost interest, He has a mint set of small can allspeeds too with one unnoticeable dent on the underside. He said something about the standard pipes on it being a thicker flange ? So how much should he be asking for those parts If you look on ebay at ended or sold listings of rd250/350lc parts you should get a rough idea.
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Post by shaunthe2nd on May 17, 2018 14:56:50 GMT 1
My rough guess:
-centre stand £75+ -tool tray £30+ -uncut rear number plate holder £100+ -uncut rear sub-frame £80+ -coil cover £30+ -standard 350 pipes £200-£300 depending on condition, and if 350 rather than 250 type -350 brakes caliper pair £100+ -350 horn bracket £75+ -nicely chromed grab rail £60+ -decent 350 carbs 4L0/01 best £150+ -forks if no rust £125+ -seat if has decent front plastic fork £100+ -headlamp ears £40 -loom if not butchered £100+ -running engine £800 -£1200 depends on condition -full body kit £600-£900 depending on condition -front footpegs £50/pair -rear footpegs £30/pair -uncut rear mudguards £50+ -alloy foot hangers £50/pair -indicator set £80+ for 4 -headlamp £40+
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Post by shaunthe2nd on May 17, 2018 14:59:23 GMT 1
and i forgot the clocks, a half decent mph set is going for over £200
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Post by andy71330 on May 17, 2018 15:41:34 GMT 1
Wow , has this gone completely over the top of my head or am I missing something here , loads of us where recently looking out for a couple of bikes or bits of bikes that where stolen , CONFUSED !!!! Definitely, was thinking about that whilst reading the opening post
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Post by mille1000 on May 17, 2018 15:51:40 GMT 1
This bike is complete and it or none of its parts are stolen-Thank you
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Post by sparx on May 17, 2018 16:07:59 GMT 1
This bike is complete and it or none of its parts are stolen-Thank you Evidence seems to point to the contrary
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Post by mille1000 on May 17, 2018 16:28:21 GMT 1
Do you know what ive had enough of all this crap, thanks I will sell the bits on ebay.
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