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Post by sparx on May 17, 2018 16:45:21 GMT 1
Why is it crap You asked for help and advice and got it Not our fault if you didn’t like it If you are so sure the bike is legal then call the police and tell them you have a motorcycle with a restamped number I’m sure they would be very interested As someone that has had two motorbikes stolen over the years I can tell you that you don’t get over it
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Post by andy71330 on May 17, 2018 17:13:22 GMT 1
Do you know what ive had enough of all this crap, thanks I will sell the bits on ebay. You got to admit that it's sounds a bit suspect
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Post by iwantalc on May 17, 2018 17:56:20 GMT 1
Do you know what ive had enough of all this crap, thanks I will sell the bits on ebay. truth hurts ..
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Post by mattybeckett on May 17, 2018 17:57:53 GMT 1
Do you know what ive had enough of all this crap, thanks I will sell the bits on ebay. Watch out for buyer called funds-for-her as he likes a steal 😂
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Post by jon on May 17, 2018 17:58:46 GMT 1
I don’t quite understand how ANY of the parts (other than frame and cases) that we have bought from eBay over the years can be 100% assured of not being stolen. Can anyone say 100% that every second hand part they’ve got on their bike is not stolen? We just like to think they are not.
I also don’t understand how we all react in distaste at a dodgy frame or case, but are more than willing to buy the rest of the bits. IF it was a stolen bike then ALL of the bits are stolen, it’s just there’s no evidence (usually) on the other bits.
The main reasons I wouldn’t even entertain a dodgy frame or engine is ethical. I’d consider it bad karma that I had someone else’s pride and joy that had been taken from them. Also even if you bought a bare dodgy frame, and plod were to sus, then the whole bike you had built up around it would be confiscated. Simply not worth the effort.
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Post by marrcel on May 17, 2018 18:30:38 GMT 1
Thinking coloured? Is it crazyRD? Open minded is more fun😉
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Post by Mr Kipling on May 17, 2018 19:31:21 GMT 1
Now people are getting the point , Still Shocked how many suggested he cut it up an sold on the parts regardless !!!!
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Post by shaunthe2nd on May 17, 2018 20:02:15 GMT 1
There's no proof that he, or anyone else stole it, if we take his comments at face value.
I agree that it is strange it has been ringed, but as far as i know its illegal to sell a ringed frame that doesn't match the V5, but not illegal to sell parts. That's what I would do in same situation rather than stick someone up with a wrong'un, and i wouldn't want to ride a ringed bike in case of an accident etc etc
If of course the parts and/or bike are stolen, then that's a different matter as could come under handling of stolen goods, but he is convinced its not so we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. I guess we take that same decision every time we bid on ebay.
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Post by mille1000 on May 17, 2018 20:20:45 GMT 1
I have spoken to him about this, It hasn't been ringed, the original Bike had a V5 in his name but the frame had clearly been restamped, his idea was to just file off the dodgy number and powder coat it until someone told him it would be worthless with no frame number to match the V5, that's when he bought the second frame and cases only to find that the original number was present but had been partly obliterated somehow hence why he has one complete bike and two useless frames. Anyone selling a 250 frame!!
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Post by donkeychomp on May 17, 2018 22:08:23 GMT 1
Mint Allspeeds go for about a tenner. I bagsie first dibs...
Alex
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Post by andy71330 on May 17, 2018 23:01:54 GMT 1
Mint Allspeeds go for about a tenner. I bagsie first dibs... Alex 2nd dibs
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Post by JonW on May 18, 2018 0:33:17 GMT 1
Im confused, if its been restamped and its not done by someone in authority, then its been ringed. I think you misunderstood whats been said. I dont think anyone is saying your mate did it, just that is what happened to it... probably back in the 80s or 90s. So yes, he has the V5 in his name, but from what youve said its a 99% a ringed bike. Ie a bike was stolen and given the identity of a written off bike. It happened quite a bit back then. What he has is the V5 of the crashed bike, not the one in his garage. Forensics can usually determine the real frame number if they were bothered as the metal work will bear the marks even if its been ground off.
At least its been ringed as an RD right? weve seem some ringed as XS250s and others over the years.
I agree with Jon, its an ethical thing about stolen parts, but with ebay and even the back of the paper or autotrader back in the day, you just dont know. We have to assume at least some of what we own had a chequered past :/
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Post by reedpete on May 18, 2018 1:12:17 GMT 1
Guess that’s bye then Mille1000! thanks for your valuable contribution to the owner group ! Suggest you tell your friend that next time he buys a project to pick something other than a ‘Ready Break’ bike .... Bit difficult for those of us that have had stuff nicked in the past to be finding the love TBH !
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Post by mille1000 on May 18, 2018 7:43:56 GMT 1
I have passed on everyone's comments and advised him to look for a frame with good numbers as the bike will be worth more as an unmatching numbers bike than selling the parts, the two frames will be cut up and the brackets sold as suggested.
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Post by mille1000 on May 18, 2018 7:46:47 GMT 1
If anyone has a good frame they are willing to sell or knows anyone that has then he would be interested in purchasing. Thanks
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Post by Denzil on May 18, 2018 7:58:53 GMT 1
Hi Mille1000, i have read all of the comments. On the bare facts of it the whole things does sound dodgy BUT. as jon has said above, every part that people buy off of ebay etc could be stolen so we tend not to think about that as no one can prove it. It does seem like bad luck for your pal. You have a couple of options. Sell everything as bits on ebay and you will make a tidy fortune, cut the frame up and sell the side stand part for other people to use. What i would do is TRY to find a matching frame & engine cases with a V5 and transfer stuff across. That way everything is above board, or he could actually run with just the frame and have a non matching engine if he wanted to.
Don't be alarmed at the response some members have given you. A lot of people have had their hard earned bike pinched from under their noses never to be seen again and in most cases never get back what they have paid. So there is bound to be tension when words like re stamped come up. It is not personal.
Good luck with his decision. As you can see above, although not ideal there is a way out.
Denzil.
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Post by veg on May 18, 2018 8:31:29 GMT 1
In the day the 4l1 and 4l0 were the most stolen bike in the country so it isn’t surprising there are still some dodgy ones about them couple that with the renewed demand and value and they are all likely to be coming out on the market. I got stung by one myself not nice.
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Post by wassy06 on May 18, 2018 9:40:28 GMT 1
If someone could explain to me a legitimate reason for defacing the frame and engine number on a vehicle other than to hide it’s original identity I’d be very interested.
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Post by Tobyjugs on May 18, 2018 10:37:26 GMT 1
It just seems a waste to destroy something that some body could use. If a super rare car or a painting got stolen would you destroy that? My favourite RD is a stolen recovered bike and i bought it on a Q plate. When i got the bike the engine number began with PC.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 18, 2018 11:49:47 GMT 1
If someone could explain to me a legitimate reason for defacing the frame and engine number on a vehicle other than to hide it’s original identity I’d be very interested. Couple of reasons First I have had a couple of experiences with Frame blasted and number destroyed so now blank Same as above but frame number restamped but obviously not the correct font Secondly could be a stolen recovered where the nicked bike has had the numbers removed and either a different bikes plate (cloning) or a made up number If this happened before records were kept and it was recovered then is technically legit. Only the person who originally removed/restamped/tampered number can answer the question It's funny how we tolerate this on a 30 odd year old rd If you went to buy a car and it had no chassis number the attitude may be different Think the only reason I'm not outraged by the possible stolen bit is that if the op is being straight the actual crime was probably 30 years ago and neither the op or the mate are not the perpetrator of the possible crime May have been hunting him down on fb if it were a 4l0 with pv motor if you know what I mean Steve
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Post by sbscnor on May 18, 2018 12:32:45 GMT 1
Look at it another way would you spend your 4k or 5k on a bike that you suspected had its numbers altered.
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Post by wassy06 on May 18, 2018 14:06:15 GMT 1
Frame blasted and number removed....... what were they using as medium !
I was at Carnaby years ago racing and the local stolen vehicle squad approached me saying they weren’t happy with the frame number on my 350LC ( bought from a dealer in the north east who now has the biggest bike shop in Newcastle ). They were happy with my story and I got a visit from the local stolen vehicle squad at home a week or so later who took my bike and recovered the original number by using electronic restoration of erased numbers. The dealer paid the original owner that the bike had been stolen from or insurance company I can’t remember which and I got the bike back on a Y as opposed to the W it was on !
The bike had a local SVS number stamped on the headstock and the cop said they would never release a vehicle without their unique reference number and that most numbers could be restored by the chemical / electronic process they used however thieves were drilling and filling numbers as word had got round about the recovery process they used.
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Post by rich on May 18, 2018 19:09:28 GMT 1
Do you know what ive had enough of all this crap, thanks I will sell the bits on ebay. Unfortunately this kind of reaction is all too common on forums these days. As someone else said, these bikes are getting on for 40 years old so the history of the bike and parts is anyone's guess, same as any used parts for any vehicle! However, as you said you know the history of this bike so whats the problem? Good luck with the sale.
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Post by mattybeckett on May 18, 2018 22:11:33 GMT 1
In the day the 4l1 and 4l0 were the most stolen bike in the country so it isn’t surprising there are still some dodgy ones about them couple that with the renewed demand and value and they are all likely to be coming out on the market. I got stung by one myself not nice. As a matter of interest what was the outcome/solution of being stung?
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Post by donkeychomp on May 18, 2018 22:50:03 GMT 1
I reckon most of us here had one nicked. I did, an X reg 350LC. I was devastated.
Alex
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Post by veg on May 19, 2018 6:43:55 GMT 1
Going back to early nineties ( I nearly said a few years ago then realised it is 27 years ago) had the bike seized by the police they did the frame number checks nicked the seller who had history but ultimately couldn’t prove it was or wasn’t and gave me it back. It was however valueless. I know today getting the bike checked would be really unlikely to happen due to resources etc stolen vehicle units don’t really exist, hence why it still goes on
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Post by fozzy17 on May 19, 2018 6:54:21 GMT 1
If someone could explain to me a legitimate reason for defacing the frame and engine number on a vehicle other than to hide it’s original identity I’d be very interested. pretty common in the 80's, if someone crashed a bike bought another frame and rather than go messing about re-stamped the frame to the original number, I had a post on here a year or so ago, went to look at a rd350 and the numbers had been messed with, the guy said he had owned it for 20 years and bought it from a friend, he still put it on ebay a few days later.
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Post by jon on May 19, 2018 7:10:25 GMT 1
If someone could explain to me a legitimate reason for defacing the frame and engine number on a vehicle other than to hide it’s original identity I’d be very interested. pretty common in the 80's, if someone crashed a bike bought another frame and rather than go messing about re-stamped the frame to the original number, I had a post on here a year or so ago, went to look at a rd350 and the numbers had been messed with, the guy said he had owned it for 20 years and bought it from a friend, he still put it on ebay a few days later. Fozzy, I don’t quite get the ‘messing about’ comment? Surely if the replacement frame was legal and had a logbook, it would have been a simple case of sending the logbook off for a new owner and an engine number change. In those day DVLA didn’t give a dam and just changed it over without any question. It’s only these days they get funny. I have changed countless logboooks in the distant past for engine number, cc or colour without once being questioned. It was only the last one about 5 years ago for an LC in my name to go from 250cc to 350cc they questioned and wanted an engineers report FFS. We all know it’s basically the same bike. Jon
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Post by wassy06 on May 19, 2018 7:25:42 GMT 1
If someone could explain to me a legitimate reason for defacing the frame and engine number on a vehicle other than to hide it’s original identity I’d be very interested. pretty common in the 80's, if someone crashed a bike bought another frame and rather than go messing about re-stamped the frame to the original number, I had a post on here a year or so ago, went to look at a rd350 and the numbers had been messed with, the guy said he had owned it for 20 years and bought it from a friend, he still put it on ebay a few days later. Common and legitimate have tow totally different meanings. There is only one reason for removing the chassis number and that is to hide the vehicles identity.
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Post by fozzy17 on May 19, 2018 8:27:07 GMT 1
Guys I agree with you, the question wSas asked, why would someone do that, and that was pretty common, loads of ringers I. The UK now, how many have bikes where the powder coating has covered the numbers, I have seen a few this year.
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