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Post by earthman on Nov 16, 2017 8:42:21 GMT 1
I'm not up on any modern day 300 to 400cc bikes, is there one that you could compare to an LC?
I know that 2 strokes have almost been killed off in general so which 4 stroke bike within the 300 to 400 range would you want?
Back in the eighties, did the likes of the GSXR400 take over from the LC in terms of performance? I had well moved onto larger bikes by then so didn't even really notice at the time. I certainly wouldn't want one now though, that riding position wouldn't suit me.
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Post by 4l04ever on Nov 16, 2017 8:54:37 GMT 1
Maybe a Yamaha MT-03???
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Post by robin on Nov 16, 2017 10:20:29 GMT 1
MT09 "almost" the same grin factor, but not quite, as good as my 350LC
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Post by rapidgaz on Nov 16, 2017 10:27:52 GMT 1
One which I have been on is a ktm duke 390. Around 45hp and 150kg. Brilliant little bike.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 10:47:04 GMT 1
Don't know to be honest. But my 98 R1 is 2 strokish after about 7500 RPM. Scared the shit out of me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2017 11:09:40 GMT 1
Probably not that modern, but a Husqvarna Nuda is on my buy list, and would fit the LC profile.
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Post by JonW on Nov 16, 2017 11:33:39 GMT 1
Any decent motard, same power, same holiganism, same anti social rap... all cpupled with better handling.
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Post by paulincayman on Nov 16, 2017 14:30:21 GMT 1
I'm not up on any modern day 300 to 400cc bikes, is there one that you could compare to an LC? I know that 2 strokes have almost been killed off in general so which 4 stroke bike within the 300 to 400 range would you want? Back in the eighties, did the likes of the GSXR400 take over from the LC in terms of performance? I had well moved onto larger bikes by then so didn't even really notice at the time. I certainly wouldn't want one now though, that riding position wouldn't suit me. Take a look at the Tony Doukas racing website , he is developing a bespoke modern bike around the YPVS, so you can have your cake and eat it lol. shop.bansheedepot.com/
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Post by abar121 on Nov 16, 2017 16:29:43 GMT 1
If it has to be a diesel, I would say the first street triple, preferably with the open arrow lowboy exhaust.
A real screamer with a great powerband. Lightish and punches well above it's weight. Easily pops the wheel up in first without the clutch.
The later ones aren't nearly as much fun with longer gearing and iffy emissions FI.
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Post by jackjabba on Nov 16, 2017 16:53:56 GMT 1
I would take a 350LC over the modern day offerings for the A2 license.
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 16, 2017 16:57:54 GMT 1
I've just bought a 2018 MV Agusta Dragster RC.
Your first thought is going to be "How is that anything like an LC?" - but the minute I sat on one that was exactly what it felt like, a more modern LC. Riding the demo bike just confirmed it, it's absolutely mental, a proper hooligan tool. It's obviously a lot faster and built to a much higher spec, but in essence it's the closest thing I've got to my LC.
It's an 800cc though, so not really in the your remit if you want 300-400cc.
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Post by rapidgaz on Nov 16, 2017 20:48:35 GMT 1
I use to have this. Now this was a hoot. Wish I still had it. 620cc thou.
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Nov 16, 2017 21:05:18 GMT 1
Nothing to comper to a 80’’s lc when your a teenager back then bikes change then so do we I have had all sorts over years gsxr’s z’s etc etc then my mate said try my tricked b king frigging nearly shat me pants what power that had but I still get a grin riding my Elise
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Post by earthman on Nov 16, 2017 21:06:58 GMT 1
I've just bought a 2018 MV Agusta Dragster RC. Your first thought is going to be "How is that anything like an LC?" - but the minute I sat on one that was exactly what it felt like, a more modern LC. Riding the demo bike just confirmed it, it's absolutely mental, a proper hooligan tool. It's obviously a lot faster and built to a much higher spec, but in essence it's the closest thing I've got to my LC. It's an 800cc though, so not really in the your remit if you want 300-400cc. I think that it would be unfair to even consider a bike that's over double the engine capacity of an LC.
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Post by earthman on Nov 16, 2017 21:10:58 GMT 1
I would take a 350LC over the modern day offerings for the A2 license. None of the A2 licence options that interesting then?
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Post by jackjabba on Nov 16, 2017 22:21:43 GMT 1
I would take a 350LC over the modern day offerings for the A2 license. None of the A2 licence options that interesting then? Plastic race rep, under powered, overpriced, clones. Never will be the subject of a cult or stir the emotions of 50 something old men. So I guess no.
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Post by bare on Nov 17, 2017 0:32:33 GMT 1
One which I have been on is a ktm duke 390. Around 45hp and 150kg. Brilliant little bike. PLUS 1 on the above. It's a Very good substitute /improvement over an Lc350. Light agile and just enough power to be interesting.
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Post by 4l04ever on Nov 17, 2017 9:03:57 GMT 1
Triumph Street Triple 675....
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Post by steven on Nov 17, 2017 9:21:58 GMT 1
......With a YPVS engine in it ? ! :-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 10:32:47 GMT 1
Simple answer - There isn't one. That's why they are worth owning riding keeping and thrashing
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Post by 1966baz on Nov 17, 2017 10:48:58 GMT 1
Not modern now but way ahead of its time , the TZR 250 3XV.Huge fun and You they encourage you to ride flat out everywhere.
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Post by earthman on Nov 17, 2017 21:58:34 GMT 1
Simple answer - There isn't one. Yeah, I think you are right there.
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Post by icarus001 on Nov 18, 2017 5:28:25 GMT 1
]I think that it would be unfair to even consider a bike that's over double the engine capacity of an LC. If you're talking about a direct like-for-like bike with a 350cc two stroke engine then obviously it's a redundant question, there is nothing that compares. But if you're trying to capture the ethos of it (rather than match it for exact cc and bhp), then the LC was badged as a hooligan bike and if you want a lightweight bike with bonkers power that has a 'sit up and beg' style then there are a few about. The point about 'will 50yr old men want them in years to come as a classic' - it's very unlikely because there isn't that motorcycle culture that us youngsters in the 70's/80's grew up with, the average motorcycle owner in 1982 was probably in his late teens or early 20's, whereas the average motorcycle owner now is probably 40+, so youngsters these days just aren't buying bikes in any numbers - you're more likely to find that Citroen Saxo's and Renault Clios become popular when that generation reaches 50yrs old.
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Post by earthman on Nov 18, 2017 8:49:03 GMT 1
What's happened to that 'motorcycling culture'then? Is it down to purchase price and insurance costs??
Surely young men of today would still be interested in two wheels??
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Post by jon on Nov 18, 2017 9:00:13 GMT 1
What's happened to that 'motorcycling culture'then? Is it down to purchase price and insurance costs?? Surely young men of today would still be interested in two wheels?? My personal opinion for the lack of youngsters on motorcycles is for a number of reasons: 1) There is more traffic on the roads so it's more dangerous, and there are fewer occasions to open it up a bit safely. Most households are multi car owners now. 2) The existence of speed cameras cannot be got around. 3) The general attitude of Joe public and Plod's to motorbikes. I suspect bike gangs have added to this. 4) Credit. (linked to point 1). We used to ride what we could afford. These days some youngsters sneer at cars over 3 y ars old for their first car. They'd rather have debt. There are probably many more, but these spring to mind. Jon
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Post by tommo on Nov 18, 2017 9:01:33 GMT 1
your right ktm lc4 is the modern day cheap hooligan bike
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Post by 1966baz on Nov 18, 2017 9:16:57 GMT 1
What's happened to that 'motorcycling culture'then? Is it down to purchase price and insurance costs?? Surely young men of today would still be interested in two wheels?? My personal opinion for the lack of youngsters on motorcycles is for a number of reasons: 1) There is more traffic on the roads so it's more dangerous, and there are fewer occasions to open it up a bit safely. Most households are multi car owners now. 2) The existence of speed cameras cannot be got around. 3) The general attitude of Joe public and Plod's to motorbikes. I suspect bike gangs have added to this. 4) Credit. (linked to point 1). We used to ride what we could afford. These days some youngsters sneer at cars over 3 y ars old for their first car. They'd rather have debt. There are probably many more, but these spring to mind. Jon A few very valid points there Jon.
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Post by earthman on Nov 18, 2017 9:35:44 GMT 1
Jon is certainly right about point 4, a previous neighbour bought his 17 year old son the latest Corsa because he turned his nose up at anything older!
How times have changed,my first car were over 10 years old, I worked and saved hard to pay cash for it.
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Post by artie on Nov 18, 2017 20:34:03 GMT 1
I,m another one in the Duke 390 camp,there is also the BMW G300R but that probably lacks the hooligan element.Another of my favourites and although has not been available here for a few years you can still by them new in America so spares isn,t a problem is the DR400 SM Suzuki.
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Post by liffy16 on Nov 19, 2017 13:16:21 GMT 1
Simple answer - There isn't one. That's why they are worth owning riding keeping and thrashing Agree mellorp most kids are not interested in bikes now like in the 80's it was a special time in history for certain bikes i.e. two strokes,so we are lucky to have grown up in this era.
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