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Post by Trubrit on Nov 12, 2010 7:16:30 GMT 1
Hey Guys.....Seem To have an awful lot of play between the clutch basket and the primary drive ....Any Solutions Out There, I have seen aftermarket baskets , Any recommendations , ..........
Dave.....
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Post by lcowner on Nov 12, 2010 9:33:55 GMT 1
whats ''a lot'' m8,mine has a bit if play but in fine.
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Post by Trubrit on Nov 12, 2010 12:01:36 GMT 1
If I hold the drive i can turn the basket a good 5mm .......
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Post by lcowner on Nov 12, 2010 12:17:08 GMT 1
If I hold the drive i can turn the basket a good 5mm ....... mine does the same about 5mm,but it works fine m8.i was getting a bit of drag on my clucth but changed steel plates and friction plates and its ok now.maybe someone else will come o and say it shouldent have play in it but mines ok now hope this helps lco |
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Post by JonW on Nov 12, 2010 22:48:37 GMT 1
How easy is it rebuild one of these? Has anyone ever done it and can offer tips?
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 12, 2010 22:52:56 GMT 1
Yeah, usual way is to grind off the rivets and seperate the basket from the gear.
Then drill and tap the basket where the rivets were and refit with the Wiseco rubbers and shallow head or countersunk screws.
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Post by bare on Nov 14, 2010 20:43:36 GMT 1
There IS play in them as part of the original design.... 4 mm on average from brand new... OEM bungs are of 2 sizes.. Play IS intended.
IF damaged to the point of needing genuine repair you will feel a metal 'clunk' when twisting it by hand.. indicating that the rubber bung is shattered and no longer cushioning
No need to fix what ain't broken :-)
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 14, 2010 21:13:35 GMT 1
I can assure you I have an original basket with zero rotational play and a rebuilt Mitaka billet basket with zero play.
Why would free play be designed into a basket when mounted between rubber cusions? By it's design it would have movement during load on the rubber. So why design in free play?
Makes absolutely no sense.
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 15, 2010 17:18:17 GMT 1
I agree to a certain degree. Cush drive rubbers for the rear sprocket do not have free play when new. They do develope free play when used up to a servicable limit. The whole design of rubber mounting anything will allow movement under load whether it be transmission, drive, suspension on cars/bikes/whatever.
All rubber mounting designs will have used rubber with specific deflection data for the intended use.
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 15, 2010 21:13:39 GMT 1
I do have an OE basket that has no free play, or am i bullshitting? ;D
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 15, 2010 21:24:45 GMT 1
If there are varying amounts of play between baskets, which from the ones i've seen and trust what you are saying, it would make it pretty difficult to 'design' in a specific amount of play.
Not sure about the bolts, can't say i've seen many being used, but a lot of those banshee/mitaka jobbies are bolted so can only assume that the correct grade bolt and fitting method must be used to be considered safe.
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 15, 2010 22:10:50 GMT 1
....aint trusting allen bolts and half sawn headed nuts to rebuild a worn out basket that is for sure!!!!!  ;D Too true Gaz. I wasn't actually suggesting that, i have used a Hard anodised billet basket to overcome the crocs teeth problem. A lot of heavy duty baskets are bolted, such Hinson/Barnett etc. with the advantage of being rebuildable. Horses for courses and all that. |
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Post by JonW on Nov 16, 2010 4:02:16 GMT 1
Thanks for the info. I'll check mine. I think it moves more than 4mm (measured on the outside edge), but doesnt clonk, its pretty 'rubbery' when moved so its got friction, not loose.
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 16, 2010 19:20:38 GMT 1
well aint doing diy bodge on my baskets....lol I don't blame ya. ;D Me bodge? Nah, Working in a shed with a hammer, chisel and Black & Decker drill is something completely different to what i do.  |
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Post by bare on Nov 17, 2010 4:46:11 GMT 1
I do have an OE basket that has no free play, or am i bullshitting? ;D Hopefully not No abuse intended .. as there's always more to learn. I had one once that I swore had No play whatsoever. Then a well experienced mech proceeded to twist my basket against it's gear approx.. 5mmm. He said it was just Stuck and I simply had not twisted hard enough. Take one apart and you too will see that there is movement intended.. the oem bungs are smaller than the space they fit into.. period. Only other possibility is that you've somehow gotten a Duff one? |
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 17, 2010 18:58:07 GMT 1
Hmmm, i will have to check. I have a couple of others that have the usual play, it's just one i have show's very little signs of wear overall and no obvious free play between primary.
Admittedly i have never had a new OE one and based on other baskets (not RD) i find it a little odd.
I would still use a billet basket though. ;D
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Post by winnerevo1 on Nov 20, 2010 13:17:53 GMT 1
I do have an OE basket that has no free play, or am i bullshitting? ;D I had one once that I swore had No play whatsoever. Then a well experienced mech proceeded to twist my basket against it's gear approx.. 5mmm. He said it was just Stuck and I simply had not twisted hard enough. Only other possibility is that you've somehow gotten a Duff one? Right, it appears i was bullshitting! ;D OK, the basket was very stiff at first but i've got it moving freely so that you can feel it hit either cusion.....2mm of free play measured at the outside gear, so less than 1mm play at the rivets. This is not a new basket, but a good condition used basket and nowhere near as much play as a couple of well used baskets i have, so much less than the usual 5mm ish. The Billet basket i have defo has zero free play but if i give it a good twist i can see the wiseco rubbers deflecting approx. 1-2mm, pretty much how i would expect a basket to be.  |
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