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Post by masonmart on Jul 11, 2024 8:47:32 GMT 1
I wrote some time back about my plans on using a newly restored F1 as my road bike and to use it was intended. Dream over. frame paint by Martin Mason, on Flickr
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Post by Robbieben on Jul 11, 2024 10:09:31 GMT 1
Is it a similar story across the whole frame? Its pretty shoddy workmanship by whoever did that. If its only the one area you could rub it down and touch it in.
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Post by billbott on Jul 11, 2024 10:38:26 GMT 1
Looks like petrol has leaked onto the frame and lifted the paint?
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jul 11, 2024 10:43:23 GMT 1
Nightmare 😱
I reckon you can sand, mask and spray that section to make the bike usable
I take it that it's sprayed rather than powder?
Powder does not usually react like that
Obviously not 2 pack
Steve
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Post by vectisitch on Jul 11, 2024 11:53:17 GMT 1
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Post by masonmart on Jul 11, 2024 12:22:02 GMT 1
Thanks Gents, I can't face taking the bike apart to spray it so I'm going to try to repair it. It's not really under anything but near the tap and could have run down the frame member or splashed but it's unlikely and this Storm Red scheme should manage petrol. I have 7 Classic bikes all of which develop faults at regular intervals, they break down in awful situations and then cost a fortune to get the part and fix, I'm thick, thick, thick of it ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) . I have to buy a light modern 4 stroke or just give up riding which would be the end of life as I've known it to 73.
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Post by vectisitch on Jul 11, 2024 13:52:38 GMT 1
Thanks Gents, I can't face taking the bike apart to spray it so I'm going to try to repair it. It's not really under anything but near the tap and could have run down the frame member or splashed but it's unlikely and this Storm Red scheme should manage petrol. I have 7 Classic bikes all of which develop faults at regular intervals, they break down in awful situations and then cost a fortune to get the part and fix, I'm thick, thick, thick of it ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) . I have to buy a light modern 4 stroke or just give up riding which would be the end of life as I've known it to 73. May I suggest rd's probably aren't for you? Breaking down and fiddling with these bikes is part and parcel of owning them. And constantly messing with them is also part of the fun for most of us here
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Post by puddy on Jul 11, 2024 14:07:22 GMT 1
Thanks Gents, I can't face taking the bike apart to spray it so I'm going to try to repair it. It's not really under anything but near the tap and could have run down the frame member or splashed but it's unlikely and this Storm Red scheme should manage petrol. I have 7 Classic bikes all of which develop faults at regular intervals, they break down in awful situations and then cost a fortune to get the part and fix, I'm thick, thick, thick of it ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) . I have to buy a light modern 4 stroke or just give up riding which would be the end of life as I've known it to 73. May I suggest rd's probably aren't for you? Breaking down and fiddling with these bikes is part and parcel of owning them. And constantly messing with them is also part of the fun for most of us here Some of us actually ride them as well...😂 Puddy
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Post by vectisitch on Jul 11, 2024 14:12:12 GMT 1
May I suggest rd's probably aren't for you? Breaking down and fiddling with these bikes is part and parcel of owning them. And constantly messing with them is also part of the fun for most of us here Some of us actually ride them as well...😂 Puddy Shut it you
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Post by masonmart on Jul 11, 2024 14:59:42 GMT 1
Thanks Gents, I can't face taking the bike apart to spray it so I'm going to try to repair it. It's not really under anything but near the tap and could have run down the frame member or splashed but it's unlikely and this Storm Red scheme should manage petrol. I have 7 Classic bikes all of which develop faults at regular intervals, they break down in awful situations and then cost a fortune to get the part and fix, I'm thick, thick, thick of it ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) . I have to buy a light modern 4 stroke or just give up riding which would be the end of life as I've known it to 73. May I suggest rd's probably aren't for you? Breaking down and fiddling with these bikes is part and parcel of owning them. And constantly messing with them is also part of the fun for most of us here You can suggest for sure, I hope that you don't mind but I'm only just picking myself up laughing my rocks off. I have 7 classics that I've built or part built and keep maintained myself and that includes an F1 from 4 boxes of corroded junk. This one I bought to be the perfect user. As you say some RD owners like messing with them but they are great bikes that don't need any messing when they are put together well. Some like to mess but, while I like to work to get them perfect, I'm not a messer and neither is any serious owner. To strip down an otherwise perfect bike to paint 6" of frame tube is the limit of messing or better described totally wasted effort that could be spent doing something useful. I've seen the results of the messing of some RD owners and you can keep it as a pastime. They are easy to work on and parts are readily available and that always invites messing.
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Post by vectisitch on Jul 11, 2024 17:07:50 GMT 1
May I suggest rd's probably aren't for you? Breaking down and fiddling with these bikes is part and parcel of owning them. And constantly messing with them is also part of the fun for most of us here You can suggest for sure, I hope that you don't mind but I'm only just picking myself up laughing my rocks off. I have 7 classics that I've built or part built and keep maintained myself and that includes an F1 from 4 boxes of corroded junk. This one I bought to be the perfect user. As you say some RD owners like messing with them but they are great bikes that don't need any messing when they are put together well. Some like to mess but, while I like to work to get them perfect, I'm not a messer and neither is any serious owner. To strip down an otherwise perfect bike to paint 6" of frame tube is the limit of messing or better described totally wasted effort that could be spent doing something useful. I've seen the results of the messing of some RD owners and you can keep it as a pastime. They are easy to work on and parts are readily available and that always invites messing. I've just picked myself up from laughing too. I'm glad I joined you. Very theraputic
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Post by masonmart on Jul 11, 2024 18:15:32 GMT 1
I do some good things, not many I admit. I'm going to get a third YPVS on Sunday that needs assembling and restoring. Just think of all that messing.
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 11, 2024 20:12:08 GMT 1
That does indeed (as the septics would say) suck. If you don't want to pull the bike apart to powder/spray the frame, I'd suggest cleaning it back as best you can then mask all round the area with sheets of newspaper and rattle can it. You could also of course brush paint it which would save the faff of all the masking.
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Post by chrisg on Jul 11, 2024 20:34:37 GMT 1
That does indeed (as the septics would say) suck. If you don't want to pull the bike apart to powder/spray the frame, I'd suggest cleaning it back as best you can then mask all round the area with sheets of newspaper and rattle can it. You could also of course brush paint it which would save the faff of all the masking. I find a good masker is silver foil. Very flexible and works well.
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Post by veg on Jul 11, 2024 20:34:52 GMT 1
Or just ignore it, ride it and do it over winter?
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Post by masonmart on Jul 11, 2024 20:57:25 GMT 1
That does indeed (as the septics would say) suck. If you don't want to pull the bike apart to powder/spray the frame, I'd suggest cleaning it back as best you can then mask all round the area with sheets of newspaper and rattle can it. You could also of course brush paint it which would save the faff of all the masking. Utw, my thoughts exactly. The finish wouldn't be good but saving all of that masking would be great and it is not in clear view. I didn't mention it but the tank paint has started blistering from below. It had been resprayed and looked great but another respray is the only way now. Did I say it has started running badly too? 200 miles of heaven anyway
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Post by masonmart on Jul 13, 2024 8:27:44 GMT 1
Or just ignore it, ride it and do it over winter? I'd love to Veg but it's also running badly at lower revs on one cylinder and it isn't nice so I'm working on that too.
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Post by masonmart on Jul 13, 2024 8:34:54 GMT 1
Can I ask one more question? RS Paints have said that, from the above picture, the paint used isn't the standard Stormy Red which is a 3 coat high gloss finish but Fire Red which is more of an orange and "Flat" and one that Yamaha used extensively. You can see that my paint isn't high gloss. Any views on that?
One thing that comes out of it though is that modern petrol is a foul mixture that is a danger to the finish and fuel parts of classic bikes and it must be washed off when it leaks and even small leaks need to be fixed. I think that a major problem is small long term leaks?
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jul 13, 2024 10:51:52 GMT 1
Frame paint as standard was Yamaha Fire Red (people tend to use RAL 3020)
The stormy red is the 3 stage candy that is on the tank and panels
Steve
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Post by masonmart on Jul 13, 2024 11:11:00 GMT 1
Frame paint as standard was Yamaha Fire Red (people tend to use RAL 3020) The stormy red is the 3 stage candy that is on the tank and panels Steve Thanks Steve, that clears it up. MM
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Post by vectisitch on Jul 13, 2024 11:20:22 GMT 1
Can I ask one more question? RS Paints have said that, from the above picture, the paint used isn't the standard Stormy Red which is a 3 coat high gloss finish but Fire Red which is more of an orange and "Flat" and one that Yamaha used extensively. You can see that my paint isn't high gloss. Any views on that? One thing that comes out of it though is that modern petrol is a foul mixture that is a danger to the finish and fuel parts of classic bikes and it must be washed off when it leaks and even small leaks need to be fixed. I think that a major problem is small long term leaks? As you see in my pics above I successfully sorted mine. I used fire Red plus the lacquer from rs paints. Yours is less than I had to do. A can of primer plus fire Red and lacquer from rs paints is a perfect match. Good luck
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Post by masonmart on Jul 13, 2024 12:03:18 GMT 1
Can I ask one more question? RS Paints have said that, from the above picture, the paint used isn't the standard Stormy Red which is a 3 coat high gloss finish but Fire Red which is more of an orange and "Flat" and one that Yamaha used extensively. You can see that my paint isn't high gloss. Any views on that? One thing that comes out of it though is that modern petrol is a foul mixture that is a danger to the finish and fuel parts of classic bikes and it must be washed off when it leaks and even small leaks need to be fixed. I think that a major problem is small long term leaks? As you see in my pics above I successfully sorted mine. I used fire Red plus the lacquer from rs paints. Yours is less than I had to do. A can of primer plus fire Red and lacquer from rs paints is a perfect match. Good luck Thank you very much. I love this messing.
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Post by steve h on Jul 13, 2024 13:45:21 GMT 1
Spray some ACF50 on it. Much less messing and a passing man/woman/non binary on a horse would never notice.
What a pain in the arse though... it looks like it's been got at with the old recipe Nitromors.
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Post by masonmart on Jul 14, 2024 10:30:10 GMT 1
Cleaned up and uncovered it seems to have got a whole lot better with the bubbles flattened. I'll get the paint but not do it now, no need. I'll try to sort out the bad running first. thumbnail by Martin Mason, on Flickr
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