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Post by jackjabba on Nov 12, 2023 9:55:04 GMT 1
With all the recent posts from old mags, can we have a new area for them that's also a sticky. This way they will be easy to find and also not crowed the chat area.
Just my 2p worth.
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Post by LC_BOTT on Nov 12, 2023 13:33:54 GMT 1
Agree, and there are two sections for pictures, and a YouTube/Photo Wall section. As interesting as they are, I probably have a lot myself already.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Nov 12, 2023 16:18:00 GMT 1
Yes I agree with the above as well.
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 12, 2023 18:55:28 GMT 1
I did start a "Magazine Scans" thread in the "Youtube & Photowall" section some years back (11  ) Photof**kit spoiled it eventually when I lost a load of pics  Not sure it was always in the best place as it never got much interaction. I thought the Lc/Ypvs & 500 Chat section was a better place as the articles are mostly about these models, and most likely enjoyed by the vast majority visiting the forum. I am happy to create a thread where all the scans can live, but would probably still post them up as a standalone thread for a couple of days before moving them into an archive thread. I've got 90 odd mags to go. It takes bloody ages with my ageing scanner  If anyone wants to add please do   |
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Post by lcmarky on Nov 12, 2023 18:57:35 GMT 1
Scanning old mags may get a bit dodgy!!
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 12, 2023 19:00:11 GMT 1
Why ?
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Post by Gunny on Nov 12, 2023 19:00:33 GMT 1
Can you not just make a new thread in this section Dusty ? Not a sticky just a new thread and it`ll get bumped up every time you add a new one .
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 12, 2023 19:54:04 GMT 1
That's what I would do Gunny. I didn't feel they were crowding the section, but if peeps feel it detracts, then I could start a thread. Interesting to get thoughts on why scanning old articles may be dodgy though. I've thought about the Copyright being a potential issue, but Practical Sportsbikes and Performance Bikes mags are now defunct, as is SuperBike. Other articles are a good few years old now. It's not something I know much about, but if Copyright is a potential issue I wont post anymore, and will delete all threads that may cause me a probem. I post the Facebook pics, WTF and Bike ads/Media pics as I feel once someone uploads to a Social Media platform - me reposting pics on here wouldn't be an issue, but again, if anyone knows otherwise please let me know and I will stop posting them. Last thing I want is potential legal issues. I dont post pics with Copyright watermarks on them, just in case, but always felt anything else was fair game. I do remember seeing my 400E engine, on my workbench, being used by HVC Cycle in the Us to advertise the clear Clutch cover made by Siberdyne, on US Ebay. Didn't bother me, but I know not everyone would possibly feel the same of course. Dusty |
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Post by panzermatt on Nov 12, 2023 20:04:01 GMT 1
escort, men only etc no one said they have to be bike mags! |
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Post by headcoats on Nov 12, 2023 20:07:02 GMT 1
How about "women who are still fit in their 50's section " 🤔
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Post by peter1962 on Nov 12, 2023 20:28:34 GMT 1
Yeah great idea if it dont cause problems
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Post by headcoats on Nov 12, 2023 20:42:02 GMT 1
Liz Hurley 58 WTF 😆
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Post by JonW on Nov 13, 2023 2:01:34 GMT 1
That's what I would do Gunny. I didn't feel they were crowding the section, but if peeps feel it detracts, then I could start a thread. Interesting to get thoughts on why scanning old articles may be dodgy though. I've thought about the Copyright being a potential issue, but Practical Sportsbikes and Performance Bikes mags are now defunct, as is SuperBike. Other articles are a good few years old now. It's not something I know much about, but if Copyright is a potential issue I wont post anymore, and will delete all threads that may cause me a probem. I post the Facebook pics, WTF and Bike ads/Media pics as I feel once someone uploads to a Social Media platform - me reposting pics on here wouldn't be an issue, but again, if anyone knows otherwise please let me know and I will stop posting them. Last thing I want is potential legal issues. I dont post pics with Copyright watermarks on them, just in case, but always felt anything else was fair game. I do remember seeing my 400E engine, on my workbench, being used by HVC Cycle in the Us to advertise the clear Clutch cover made by Siberdyne, on US Ebay. Didn't bother me, but I know not everyone would possibly feel the same of course. Dusty Copyright... depends on who owns it. ie its who created or paid for the elements. In the case of these scans the magazine paid for the article to be written and the photos to be taken for that presentation of the words/photos. If the work was done by their staff then the mag owns it all as they paid a staffer to do the work product, ie it was their job. Even dead mags are owned by someone... usually. So someone could complain, but who police's dead mag copyright? not many i suspect in this space, but it could happen of course. In most cases there would be a 'cease and desist' communication before anyone took you to court usually, no one wants to spend money on lawyers unless they are a huge company who send out stuff like this a lot and have a guy sending these out daily. If they paid a freelancer or two to do the work then they usually paid for one off use of the words and/or pics. Or they negotiated to own it outright - but that is more exy at source so few do that really unless they have a plan to use it again. In this case if they reuse the words / pics, say in a supplement or perhaps on-sell product (a simplification) to be used in a dealer's promo booklet etc they have to negotiate and pay a fee again. In this case the layout (and the look / feel for that one instance) is owned by the mag as the one off and the elements (words/pics) are owned by individuals. This can get quite complex when it comes to reuse etc. So, generally depends on who wrote / photo'd it and what the deal they did was at the time of being asked to do the article. I doubt any defunct mag would complain about their staff's work being put up here, and we do have people from those dead mags on here who have seen scans posted for sure. Now, if someone took those articles and made up a 'Gold Portfolio' style book from them to sell then there would be an issue of course. Once someone is making money from someone elses work there is always going to be a problem... but even then it doesnt always happen. There is no intent to make money from the scans on a hobby forum. The magazines are not for sale from the original publisher now so no one is stealing sales by putting up articles, only from ebayers selling 2nd hand mags. That isnt protection from the law, but when you consider intent, there isnt any desire to steal/earn there. My own views on this are complex (depends on a lot of scenarios) as someone who sells words for a living. |
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Post by Norbo on Nov 13, 2023 7:08:03 GMT 1
I think its a good idea a sticky thread may be in this s section that the mag posts by any one can be moved to after a few weeks .
If its on the net then no copy right mag pics are all over the net and facebook no one cares serenely not old dead mags no longer in business and certainly not when no money is made from there use ether.
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 13, 2023 9:38:20 GMT 1
The Copyright issue is how I see it too. Most of the magazine articles are quite old, and the mags have ceased publication. However, I am no expert, so when "lcmarky" mentioned it could be dodgy I thought he meant from a copyright perspective ?? Maybe not - I wait to hear his thoughts on it. I've now moved all the scans into a folder, and deleted all the original posts from the forum, so apologies to anyone who has lost replies/info to the original posts. If anyone else wants to post scans of magazines, then that will be the thread to place them in. Dusty |
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Post by veg on Nov 13, 2023 10:37:42 GMT 1
Copyright exists after the end of the originator, however if there is no one to claim it I can’t see a problem. We aren’t talking about international artists that may have a business impact, the use of the materials isn’t for financial gain either. The other consideration is you get served a cease and desist notice first.
I personally wouldn’t worry as we are posting articles that are freely available on the web, whilst the magazine is no longer the publisher does still exist. However is the copyright attached to the magazine title or to the publisher?
I suspect any infringement would result in a cease notice but who is monitoring the web? Who is acting on behalf of the copyright owner?
The reality is we are a tiny forum with a small number of users posting articles from long deceased titles for no financial gain.
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Post by veg on Nov 13, 2023 10:43:04 GMT 1
Just read Jon’s post he puts it far better than I do. 😁
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Post by Norbo on Nov 13, 2023 16:53:04 GMT 1
The Copyright issue is how I see it too. Most of the magazine articles are quite old, and the mags have ceased publication. However, I am no expert, so when "lcmarky" mentioned it could be dodgy I thought he meant from a copyright perspective ?? Maybe not - I wait to hear his thoughts on it. I've now moved all the scans into a folder, and deleted all the original posts from the forum, so apologies to anyone who has lost replies/info to the original posts. If anyone else wants to post scans of magazines, then that will be the thread to place them in. Dusty You know you have moved each post and clicked on all post below and everything would have been moved with all reply's etc would have been many posts and not all in 1 massive post. But there is enough to reed there to keep people bussy for several days / |
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Post by Norbo on Nov 13, 2023 16:54:23 GMT 1
alls o do you want to make it sticky so its always at the top
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Post by Gunny on Nov 13, 2023 18:52:34 GMT 1
It would be better "non sticky" fnar fnar in my opinion. I tend to ignore the stickies. A normal post that will come back to the top with a new post would be better, would get more attention
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 13, 2023 19:24:41 GMT 1
Tried to move it all Norbo, using the Admin tools, but struggled to get it working correctly ? Spent ages last night trying to do it with no luck, so in the end I just started a new thread and went through Flikr and reposted all the pics. I deleted all the original scan threads this morning so as to not jam up the forum with double posts, hence losing any added info or comments from members. Computers aren't my thing - I can do most of what I need but dont have the patience when things get too technical !! Anyway, all the scans are now in one place. I'm not sure it needs to be a sticky - I will update daily (probably), and if others ad to it the thread should be near the top anyway |
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Post by davecroucher57v on Nov 13, 2023 20:11:44 GMT 1
a sticky mag section .
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Post by donkeychomp on Nov 13, 2023 22:57:18 GMT 1
I don't think anyone will ever notice to be honest. And one issue I have with the new thread is the time it takes to appear as every page is very hi res. Maybe it's my manky PC?
Alex
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 13, 2023 23:16:29 GMT 1
I don't think anyone will ever notice to be honest. And one issue I have with the new thread is the time it takes to appear as every page is very hi res. Maybe it's my manky PC? Alex My phone is doing the same Pics mostly load in order so I'm waiting for the newest pics to appear as the ones I've already read load up first Steve |
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Post by JonW on Nov 14, 2023 0:15:08 GMT 1
A new section with each with its own thread (ie just moved over) would probably have been better for slow net users and for navigation of new content/comments. If the forum is short on realestate then these could have gone in somewhere like one of the (slow moving) youtube / pics subforum with that renamed as 'media' or something. We could also have swapped it for something else unrelated and slow moving of course. ...but understand why Dusty did what's been done. youre doing a great job mate, we're not moaning. I for one appreciate your efforts and Im not alone. |
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 14, 2023 8:05:08 GMT 1
Cheers Jon I personally felt each article was better as a standalone thread. I dont think they look better all in one thread, but the idea of that received quite a few "likes", so I thought it was worth doing. I like the idea that members may have to go looking for an article that has gone down the page a bit, as it may mean they see posts that they may have missed before, plus, in my mind, it just keeps things moving and interesting. As we all know, there are plenty of days when not much goes on, so it's a way of keeping the forum interesting and active, and hopefully encourages interaction , especially at quiet times. I know a few guys have said they have the mags themselves, but there are so many articles written over the years that there will be loads that we have not seen before, especially early stuff, and not only that, but digging them out and scanning them again means I get to read them again years after I bought them. Practical Sportsbikes was the only mag I bought in recent years, and now that is defunct I dont buy any bike mags, so it's great to dig articles out again to read. Dusty |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 14, 2023 9:34:38 GMT 1
Couldn't agree more, the forum has been very well looked after since you stepped up Dusty 🤩
Steve
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Post by Norbo on Nov 14, 2023 9:35:52 GMT 1
Couldn't agree more, the forum has been very well looked after since you stepped up Dusty 🤩 Steve I agree above and beyond id say well done mate. |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 14, 2023 9:38:36 GMT 1
Think the issue is that there was nothing wrong with it in separate posts as it made each thread relevant to each title, now it's just thrown all together
Maybe if each thread had "Mag scan" at the beginning of the title it would be more obvious what each thread was and very easy to do a search of those words in the chat section to bring them all together
Steve
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 14, 2023 9:44:51 GMT 1
I can do that if people want it ?? I personally dont think it works as well with them all in one thread, but that's only my opinion. |
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If anyone wants to add please do 
