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Post by mellorp23 on Mar 14, 2023 10:19:24 GMT 1
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Post by geoffers997 on Mar 14, 2023 12:59:40 GMT 1
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Post by steve63 on Mar 14, 2023 14:04:41 GMT 1
I'm sure there were a few crashes in the 70/80's caused by crappy brakes (especially in the wet), poor ground clearance and weaving on bumpy corners.
Compared to my KH500 that I had before my brand new 350LC was in a different county. All it does though is make you crash faster!
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Post by steve h on Mar 14, 2023 16:42:03 GMT 1
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Post by abar121 on Mar 14, 2023 17:31:57 GMT 1
I'm sure there were a few crashes in the 70/80's caused by crappy brakes (especially in the wet), poor ground clearance and weaving on bumpy corners. Compared to my KH500 that I had before my brand new 350LC was in a different county. All it does thought is make you crash faster! Love the LC 250 advert. Got to have that extra 0.5 bhp  I was brought up on nice handling bikes, a bit spoilt to be honest. My first decent bike in the late 80s was an RG250 Gamma Mk1. My mates had RDs, usually home tuned and eating pistons. I couldn't believe how badly an abused LC handled / braked compared to my bike. I then had RGVs, TZR proddie bikes etc. Then my father got a new R80RT as a work bike, which put it all into perspective. What a shed on wheels. Between blowing head gaskets and gearboxes, a fleet of them didn't last long. I've had H1 and H2 triples that I've restored. All sounded immense and were great in a straight line. Might as well try a KH400 or S3 at some stage, as they are supposed to at least have some semblance of handling.  |
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Post by steve63 on Mar 14, 2023 18:19:40 GMT 1
I'm sure there were a few crashes in the 70/80's caused by crappy brakes (especially in the wet), poor ground clearance and weaving on bumpy corners. Compared to my KH500 that I had before my brand new 350LC was in a different county. All it does thought is make you crash faster! Love the LC 250 advert. Got to have that extra 0.5 bhp I was brought up on nice handling bikes, a bit spoilt to be honest. My first decent bike in the late 80s was an RG250 Gamma Mk1. My mates had RDs, usually home tuned and eating pistons. I couldn't believe how badly an abused LC handled / braked compared to my bike. I then had RGVs, TZR proddie bikes etc. Then my father got a new R80RT as a work bike, which put it all into perspective. What a shed on wheels. Between blowing head gaskets and gearboxes, a fleet of them didn't last long. I've had H1 and H2 triples that I've restored. All sounded immense and were great in a straight line. Might as well try a KH400 or S3 at some stage, as they are supposed to at least have some semblance of handling. I started on a Fizzy DX so not really fast enough to have handling but even as slow as it was the brakes did very little. Then an RD200, a couple of AS3's and a KH500. The 500 started weaving in a straight line at 85 but I saw 115 once. The LC was like a dream on the corners and on the brakes compared to the others. They soon wear out and become baggy but brand new it was faultless. I had a go on a mates new 250 when mine was a couple of years old and it showed me how much mine had declined. Now my RGV is on a different level from the LC. If I ever get an LC ready and decide to take them both to Cadwell it'll be interesting to ride them back to back. Saying that I'll make sure everything is right with the LC, no knackered shock and all bearings and bushes nice and new. |
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Post by mellorp23 on Mar 14, 2023 19:54:16 GMT 1
One careful owner 
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Mar 14, 2023 21:21:25 GMT 1
£1030 for the 250lc says the advert. I'll have 2 please.
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Post by steve h on Mar 14, 2023 21:42:18 GMT 1
£1030 for the 250lc says the advert. I'll have 2 please. That would just cover a NOS speedo...... and hopefully the postage as well...... |
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Post by mellorp23 on Mar 14, 2023 23:24:53 GMT 1
£1030 for the 250lc says the advert. I'll have 2 please. It makes an absolute mockery of the price of LC's these days |
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Post by steve63 on Mar 15, 2023 14:06:43 GMT 1
£1030 for the 250lc says the advert. I'll have 2 please. It makes an absolute mockery of the price of LC's these days According to the Bank of England £1,030.00 in 1979 is equivalent to £4,642.36 in 2023 so about what you might get a half decent 250 for now if you're lucky. Basically if you had purchased one new in 1979, put it into a perfect storage area, dragged it out today you might double your money. What fun that would be  That's similar to putting that same money in a bank account and getting 3.75% for 40 years. If you'd got 6% you'd be sitting on £10 k. In 1979 I earned £32.50 a week and paid £10 a week board. So as far as I was concerned they were 45 weeks wages worth. So not cheap for me. A mint 250LC is much cheaper for me in real terms now then it was in 1979. |
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Post by mellorp23 on Mar 15, 2023 17:31:40 GMT 1
It makes an absolute mockery of the price of LC's these days According to the Bank of England £1,030.00 in 1979 is equivalent to £4,642.36 in 2023 so about what you might get a half decent 250 for now if you're lucky. Basically if you had purchased one new in 1979, put it into a perfect storage area, dragged it out today you might double your money. What fun that would be That's similar to putting that same money in a bank account and getting 3.75% for 40 years. If you'd got 6% you'd be sitting on £10 k. In 1979 I earned £32.50 a week and paid £10 a week board. So as far as I was concerned they were 45 weeks wages worth. So not cheap for me. A mint 250LC is much cheaper for me in real terms now then it was in 1979. What ever way you look at it £5k for a 40 year old 250 2 stroke is madness/VFM/Bargain. I'm sticking with madness :-) |
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Post by steve63 on Mar 16, 2023 14:01:32 GMT 1
Market forces, nothing more.
Try 15k + for a Ford Capri, again supply V demand. 99.999% of them turned to rust before their first MOT meaning the 0.001% that are still around mixed with a large dose of nostalgia and some rose tinted glasses and there you go 15K.
The one that gets me is GT380's. Biggest pile of dung ever to rattle and smoke their wobbly way slowly down the road but people seem to want £3,500+ for them. Now that is madness!
Bit like paintings, bit of coloured oil on some canvas, add the name of an artist that a few people know and bingo, a couple of million please. However if you spend that couple of million and put your bit of canvas away for a couple of years and can sell it on for a couple of million plus 100K then it's not madness it's a sound investment.
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Post by steve h on Mar 16, 2023 16:40:00 GMT 1
Market forces, nothing more. Try 15k + for a Ford Capri, again supply V demand. 99.999% of them turned to rust before their first MOT meaning the 0.001% that are still around mixed with a large dose of nostalgia and some rose tinted glasses and there you go 15K. The one that gets me is GT380's. Biggest pile of dung ever to rattle and smoke their wobbly way slowly down the road but people seem to want £3,500+ for them. Now that is madness! Bit like paintings, bit of coloured oil on some canvas, add the name of an artist that a few people know and bingo, a couple of million please. However if you spend that couple of million and put your bit of canvas away for a couple of years and can sell it on for a couple of million plus 100K then it's not madness it's a sound investment. Got to disagree with you about art, unless you are talking about stenciled rats, shitted beds and stuffed cows.  (upside down piss troughs are another....) |
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Post by JonW on Mar 19, 2023 1:38:53 GMT 1
Market forces, nothing more. Try 15k + for a Ford Capri, again supply V demand. 99.999% of them turned to rust before their first MOT meaning the 0.001% that are still around mixed with a large dose of nostalgia and some rose tinted glasses and there you go 15K. The one that gets me is GT380's. Biggest pile of dung ever to rattle and smoke their wobbly way slowly down the road but people seem to want £3,500+ for them. Now that is madness! Bit like paintings, bit of coloured oil on some canvas, add the name of an artist that a few people know and bingo, a couple of million please. However if you spend that couple of million and put your bit of canvas away for a couple of years and can sell it on for a couple of million plus 100K then it's not madness it's a sound investment. Got to disagree with you about art, unless you are talking about stenciled rats, shitted beds and stuffed cows. (upside down piss troughs are another....) hmm, those rats were a sound investment that were cheap and plentiful when new. |
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Post by steve63 on Mar 19, 2023 23:25:16 GMT 1
£1030 for the 250lc says the advert. I'll have 2 please. My 350 was £1160. I Never understood why anyone would buy the 250. Having said that I'm glad some people did. I managed to pick one up for £240 after the 125 learner law came out. The guy couldn't be bothered to pass his test so he sold the bike. |
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Post by shaunthe2nd on Mar 19, 2023 23:42:31 GMT 1
£1030 for the 250lc says the advert. I'll have 2 please. My 350 was £1160. I Never understood why anyone would buy the 250. Having said that I'm glad some people did. I managed to pick one up for £240 after the 125 learner law came out. The guy couldn't be bothered to pass his test so he sold the bike. You don't get much of a 250LC for £240 these days, maybe a set of carbs, set of barrels, or a rear sub-frame if you lucky. |
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Post by steve63 on Mar 20, 2023 13:55:20 GMT 1
My 350 was £1160. I Never understood why anyone would buy the 250. Having said that I'm glad some people did. I managed to pick one up for £240 after the 125 learner law came out. The guy couldn't be bothered to pass his test so he sold the bike. You don't get much of a 250LC for £240 these days, maybe a set of carbs, set of barrels, or a rear sub-frame if you lucky. You're right there. |
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Post by JonW on Mar 22, 2023 0:25:25 GMT 1
You don't get much of a 250LC for £240 these days, maybe a set of carbs, set of barrels, or a rear sub-frame if you lucky. You're right there. Even with the value of money corrected for 2023 you dont get much LC for a post 125 Learner Law £240's value these days, not something you could ride thats for sure. He could have just bought a sidewinder tho... he didnt think it thru lol |
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Post by steve63 on Mar 22, 2023 13:58:48 GMT 1
Even with the value of money corrected for 2023 you dont get much LC for a post 125 Learner Law £240's value these days, not something you could ride thats for sure. He could have just bought a sidewinder tho... he didnt think it thru lol I think he had just reached the end with bikes to be honest. I was in the pub with a load of mates and word came to me this guy who I had never met wanted £240 for his 250 so I went over there and arranged to go see it. I already had my 350 and spare top end so couldn't miss the chance. My mate raced it as a 250 and I thrashed it around for a while then sold it on for about £450. I just looked it up on DVLA, not taxed since 1990, listed as a black 350. It was a white/blue when I had it. There were loads of Superdreams about but they all went to landfill (hopefully). Best place for them, or a pond. He'd have had to pay me £240 to take one of them away but I still would have been reluctant. |
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Post by JonW on Mar 22, 2023 15:52:12 GMT 1
LOL, i paid 50 quid for an out of mot 400 wetdream in 1986 lol... got it fettled and motd and sold it on... dull bike as you say.
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Post by abar121 on Mar 23, 2023 12:43:32 GMT 1
My father had the choice of the later CB450 wet one, R80RT or Kwak GT550 as a company bike yonks ago. Fortunately he choose the Kwaker. His mate thought he'd won the lottery after bagging an R80RT. Two head gaskets and a gearbox later, the dreaded slug was retired. What a heap. I bought an absolutely mint RG250 Mk1 for £800 back in the day. It was advertised for 1.2k, but we bid him. He just shrugged and agreed, we were shocked. On leaving, he said his mate had an identical Gamma and just lost his life on it. We were gutted I did 20k miles on that RG. Not quick, but a great way to cut my teeth on bikes, with superb handling and brakes. |
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(upside down piss troughs are another....)