rolie
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Post by rolie on Oct 17, 2022 15:29:22 GMT 1
I’ve finally managed to gather together all the bits for my leakdown test kit. 🙂 The test showed a leak at the balance tube junction on both reed valve rubbers. 🙁 New clips had already been fitted.
On close inspection the rubber still looks ok, it’s fairly flexible (it was soaked it in a solution of oil of wintergreen and isopropyl alcohol) and there’s no obvious cracking or crazing around the upstands where the clips go. That said, it leaks at 5psi so it obviously isn’t doing its job properly.
While I have fitted new spring clips, presumably a better seal could be achieved using a something that could be tightened, like a small jubilee clip or hose clamp. Any thoughts!
I also have a query about the pipe itself. The bends are not quite 90 degrees meaning that the two sides are not parallel. Is this right as I assume the rubber inlets are not angled, otherwise there would have to be different part numbers for the left and right sides? I’ve looked at a number of photographs online and they do seem to be slightly splayed on the 4L0/4L1 but square on the YPVS. Perhaps the mounts on the barrels are slightly canted inwards.
The best thing is no doubt to stop mucking about and just replace both rubbers but there’s a credit squeeze on. Norbo has genuine replacements so that’s probably where I’ll end up but it’s annoying as it shouldn’t be that difficult to make a good seal between a rubber boot and an aluminium tube!
Rolie
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2022 20:38:33 GMT 1
Hi Rolie, I did a leakdown on one of my engine builds some time back. New inlet rubbers, but I hadn't fitted the clips at that point. A leak showed up and it was the joints where the cross over tube pushed into. Fitted the clips and the leak stopped ! Amazed that they made such a difference as they dont seem that strong. Issue you have is the rubber part that the tube pushes into isn't that tall, so not easy to get a jubilee clip onto. I do think new rubbers from Norbo -35 quid each, or 95 quid each from Yamaha dealers will make a difference on what is a critical area, and quite often a culprit for air leaks. Dusty
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rolie
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Post by rolie on Oct 17, 2022 22:58:17 GMT 1
Dusty
Thanks.
It’s not a big leak but I suppose I knew that replacing them was the only sensible thing to do.
I should be happy that the leak is there and not somewhere more difficult to get at. My ‘glass is half full’ if not my wallet. 🙂
I’ll get an order off to Norbo and turn the heating off for a few days.
Rolie
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Post by Brigitte on Oct 23, 2022 10:26:48 GMT 1
May I dare to advise using a zip-tie instead of the hose clips? They come in black.
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 23, 2022 21:04:36 GMT 1
I fitted new inlet rubbers tonight to my 350 engine. It was an effort to push the cross over tube fully into each side - red grease helped in the end. With new clips - it didn't have any originally, it's a really tight fit. Dusty
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Post by Jethro5 on Oct 24, 2022 4:46:57 GMT 1
The Yamaha clips are the thing to use. They exert even pressure around the tube. A zip tie doesn’t. Put a zip-tie around the bare aluminium and you will see what I mean.
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rolie
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Post by rolie on Nov 4, 2022 11:41:37 GMT 1
I bought replacement rubbers. With clips fitted the leaks were fixed.
No cracking, and the flexibility of the old rubber seemed very similar to the replacement but obviously wasn’t doing the job. As I know only too well, things that are 40 years old generally lose a lot of flexibility.
Rolie
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Post by dougw on Nov 4, 2022 17:06:19 GMT 1
I bought replacement rubbers. With clips fitted the leaks were fixed. No cracking, and the flexibility of the old rubber seemed very similar to the replacement but obviously wasn’t doing the job. As I know only too well, things that are 40 years old generally lose a lot of flexibility. Rolie Wait till you hit 57 !
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