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Post by phil5e0 on May 30, 2022 9:16:50 GMT 1
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Post by phil5e0 on May 30, 2022 9:36:11 GMT 1
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Post by phil5e0 on May 30, 2022 9:37:20 GMT 1
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Post by phil5e0 on May 30, 2022 9:39:09 GMT 1
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Post by tony2stroke on May 30, 2022 9:54:29 GMT 1
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Post by phil5e0 on May 30, 2022 10:20:44 GMT 1
Hi Tony,
Yes, that seems to be the general consensus over here but he was told that this is how it came from the factory. I wondered if anyone on here knows the true story of these limited edition models.
I feel a bit sorry for the seller if this is genuine as comments on his advert have put people off.
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Post by chrisg on May 30, 2022 11:04:04 GMT 1
As with every second hand (pre loved or pre owned  ) bike or car sale, its "buyer beware". Make sure you do your due diligence. There are lots of bikes coming up regularly with titles like RD350LC 4L1 matching numbers  . There is a saying that a fool and his money are easily parted and I'm afraid with all the chancers out there, its true. |
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Post by tony2stroke on May 30, 2022 11:47:39 GMT 1
www.rd350lc.net is the best of the info out there, as far as we know 4L3 is 250 Japanese edition, you want to see 4L3 frame and engine number, there is also 4L2 which is German restricted model 250lc, 4L1 is UK European 250LC, 4L0 is 350, there are other markets 5Y3 is Venezuala 350LC for one, and they have 4L0 stamped barrels, if you look at the 350LC.net site all the info is there to best of our knowledge. I would be interested to know what is stamped on the carbs and barrels, ie 4L1 4L2 4L3 4L0, the web site says no mechanical difference except paint for the 4L3 red model 250LC, except obvs the 4L2 restricted version in Germany. Another easy give away if its 250 converted to 350 would be the rear wheel, it should be cush drive if 350, 250 rear sprocket bolts directly to the rear wheel, but the wheel may have been changed. Although as Chris just said, Make sure you do your due diligence, people have done all sorts of stuff to these bikes over the years, and the seller may not know what they have, we see it on here all the time. You could try phoning Yamaha direct, I have always found bike manufacturers to be helpful, they should be able to settle it for you. Also you are correct in it should have RZ250 on it not RD350. I have just read through the listing, I really think the guy is mistaken, there is no way Yamaha would sell a 350 as a 250, the Japanese are far too strict for that, although saying that, they do ignore the power output limits all the time and make more powerful bikes. I did google search as he said, copy and paste this, Yamaha Sports Plaza Rz350/Rz250 and you get global.yamaha-motor.com/showroom/cp/collection/rz250/it says together with its sister RZ350, I think this is where the confusion is coming from, Yamaha did sell an RZ350 in Japan, but it wasn't the YSP edition, that was only for the 250.
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Post by LC_BOTT on May 30, 2022 13:12:01 GMT 1
The clocks and the paintwork look in incredible condition compared to the rest of the bike, would certainly make me look deeper if i was interested. As for history, as per the above comments. Shouldn't it have the strap on the seat as well?
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Post by firmstools on May 30, 2022 13:38:09 GMT 1
The clocks and the paintwork look in incredible condition compared to the rest of the bike, would certainly make me look deeper if i was interested. As for history, as per the above comments. Shouldn't it have the strap on the seat as well? Agree, new radiator guard and ignition switch too! Not all it seems |
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Post by veg on May 30, 2022 13:40:02 GMT 1
Japanese seats had a different cover it wasn’t plain like they are in the Uk so this advert states a speed block cover which was Japanese market standard
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Post by JonW on May 30, 2022 13:46:17 GMT 1
4L3 250 converted to 350. Quite how can the seller can claim 'Bike is in excellent, original and unrestored condition' when its clearly not excellent and has been repainted (or stickered) to say RD350. It started life as a 250 i would say.
He may well have been told its original and the seller bought it like that from new, but so many sellers make stuff up... some even really believe what they tell you as well.
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Post by shaunthe2nd on May 30, 2022 14:31:03 GMT 1
Seems a bit odd to me. My guess is that he fell for a good story himself.
It still has the 250 single horn by looks of it, but has the twin disc and according to seller the cush drive rear wheel.
I wonder if oil pump worm was ever changed, and whether the exhausts are 250 or 350 type.
If the price is right, and buyer isn't too bothered about the numbers and provenance, then might be a good buy. Seller seems like he is trying to be honest, its just the back story that is the mystery!
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Post by stusco on May 30, 2022 15:58:19 GMT 1
The back sprocket looks like 250 to me,the clocks have the Japanese writing on the idiot lights like the ones from Norbo
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 30, 2022 16:21:03 GMT 1
My 4rse 🙄
If you zoom in the engine prefix looks like 4L0
No seat strap as per Jap market models
Nothing but a bitza in fresh JSP bodywork
Steve
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Post by tony2stroke on May 30, 2022 16:54:24 GMT 1
My 4rse 🙄 If you zoom in the engine prefix looks like 4L0 No seat strap as per Jap market models Nothing but a bitza in fresh JSP bodywork Steve I thought that too, but my eyes aren't so good and would like to see a better pic of it. |
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Post by JonW on Jun 3, 2022 1:27:21 GMT 1
The back sprocket looks like 250 to me,the clocks have the Japanese writing on the idiot lights like the ones from Norbo That writing is how the original 4L3 clock tops were, hence why they are like that now... the ones norbo sells (and anyone else you buy a new one from) are 4L3 part nos, not 4L0. The writing is for the speed light, it lets you know youre going too fast, its a JDM rule. |
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Post by JonW on Jun 3, 2022 1:30:19 GMT 1
My 4rse 🙄 If you zoom in the engine prefix looks like 4L0 No seat strap as per Jap market models Nothing but a bitza in fresh JSP bodywork Steve Agreed, super zoom says '4L0' on the cyls (also 347) and the engine cases. no engine no tho, so JDM supplied cases/engine. The seat (or its cover) is defo a JDM version, you can see the pattern on the vinyl that AFAIK no other market got. |
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Jun 3, 2022 12:03:05 GMT 1
For sure it's a RZ250 4L3, the speedometer goes to 160kph like the RZ250 and single horn too... It's stated "the frame and engine stamps are 4L3"...  The seat is JDM as well like this one:  Xavier |
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Jun 3, 2022 12:27:43 GMT 1
Yamaha did sell an RZ350 in Japan, but it wasn't the YSP edition, that was only for the 250. Thank you Tony for your comments on my website. The RZ350 was sold as YSP limited vertion too: www.rd350lc.net/pageSPECIAL350.htm Xavier |
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Post by tony2stroke on Jun 3, 2022 13:02:25 GMT 1
Yamaha did sell an RZ350 in Japan, but it wasn't the YSP edition, that was only for the 250. Thank you Tony for your comments on my website. The RZ350 was sold as YSP limited vertion too: www.rd350lc.net/pageSPECIAL350.htmXavier There ya go, every day a school day, thanks for clearing that up. You think you know something, "and" |
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Post by tony2stroke on Jun 3, 2022 13:09:17 GMT 1
For sure it's a RZ250 4L3, the speedometer goes to 160kph like the RZ250 and single horn too... It's stated "the frame and engine stamps are 4L3"... The seat is JDM as well like this one: Xavier Can you tell us what the pre-fix is for the 350 please, 250 being 4L3 and 350 being ? Thanks Xavier for all the info given freely to everyone, you can cross reference anything and it comes up as you say. Its the bible for LC in my eyes. |
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Post by wwwRD350LCnet on Jun 3, 2022 13:52:47 GMT 1
RZ350 prefix until 1982 is 4U0 so 4 U zero Digital bible  Xavier |
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Post by JonW on Jun 3, 2022 14:36:30 GMT 1
I think the engine code on this for sale bike is 4L0 tho. it doesnt look like a 3 to me. zoom in on this - a 3 does not have a vertical line on the left hand side... just sayin...  |
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Post by JonW on Jun 3, 2022 14:37:53 GMT 1
Anyway, a 4L0 engine is interesting in context in any case, in Aus it would be a 5E0 so its not from here etc...
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Post by ojfromnz on Jan 10, 2024 6:04:11 GMT 1
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Post by masonmart on Jan 10, 2024 9:21:23 GMT 1
The seller needs to be careful as what he seems to be doing is a criminal offence. I'd think that he fell for it when he bought it and that is very sad but if it is he who carried on the deception with his mods then I'd be wrong. It's fraudulent?
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 10, 2024 9:38:47 GMT 1
"Original untouched engine"
Funny how the cylinders are a different colour now 🤔
Didn't do that without taking them off
As nan would say "what a load of old sh1t"
Regardless of what the engine is it would have a matching prefix to the frame surely
No Jap seat either and absolutely no provenance
Steve
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Post by JonW on Jan 10, 2024 13:27:16 GMT 1
So much BS in ads...
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) bike or car sale, its "buyer beware". Make sure you do your due diligence.
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