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Post by fozzy17 on Oct 23, 2021 7:37:12 GMT 1
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Post by headcoats on Oct 23, 2021 8:07:23 GMT 1
Is it just new bikes ?
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Post by jimmyg on Oct 23, 2021 10:06:16 GMT 1
Looks like it would be new bike due to emissions
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Post by chrisg on Oct 23, 2021 12:04:38 GMT 1
Who new that Yambits parts could make your bike illegal.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Oct 23, 2021 12:19:45 GMT 1
What about Q plates?
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Post by steve h on Oct 23, 2021 12:57:46 GMT 1
So many are house art or giant airfix models already, no change there.....
Have to fit oem parts? Well thats everything fooked then.
Never going to happen. Fake news, to avert attention from something else.... Or get your super glue ready to glue yourself to the M25.
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Post by chrisg on Oct 23, 2021 13:06:32 GMT 1
So many are house art or giant airfix models already, no change there..... Have to fit oem parts? Well thats everything fooked then. Never going to happen. Fake news, to avert attention from something else.... Or get your super glue ready to glue yourself to the M25. You mean Yamabond don't you. Keeping OE |
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Post by steve h on Oct 23, 2021 13:19:57 GMT 1
So many are house art or giant airfix models already, no change there..... Have to fit oem parts? Well thats everything fooked then. Never going to happen. Fake news, to avert attention from something else.... Or get your super glue ready to glue yourself to the M25. You mean Yamabond don't you. Keeping OE Just to be on the safe side, I've just taken my RD250E to the tip and put it in the metal recycling skip because it had pattern indicators on and a dynavolt coil fitted. Will also throw out my 400E because oem exhausts are rarer than rocking horse poop. |
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Post by rigga on Nov 4, 2021 20:38:38 GMT 1
I think everyone should complete the survey, its mooted that any restrictions may be retrospective ... initially it seems to lean more towards emissions, and auto driving, so future tech, but I wouldn't trust this government in their quest for net zero status ...
It takes a few mins
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Post by donkeychomp on Nov 4, 2021 22:26:06 GMT 1
Even if it applies to new bikes only it still makes zero sense. Let's say your new Kawazuki XRXXR has crap tyres, so you replace them with something sticky and therefore safer...it's illegal. Brakes need new pads? So you get something better than the chocolate ones that came with the bike. Illegal. And even if plod can't see them, if you have an accident your insurers won't pay out if they discover them. And it's not just that, it's a billion pound industry that will be ruined overnight. IF it applies to our bikes then we're all f**ked. I for one will carry on as is and if I get caught I'll argue my case in court. Wondering if this will apply to cars too? Aftermarket oil filter sonny? Your nicked.
Alex
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Post by steve h on Nov 4, 2021 23:08:46 GMT 1
Net zero status is a fishing term (and very common,unless you lie allot) Close all manufacturing down, for that reduction in carbon footprint.... and while we do that, lets carry on multiplying like fook and continue ignoring the elephant in the room. Meanwhile I'm too busy plane spotting at Prestwick, never had it so good with all the shysters in Glasgow saving/poisoning the planet. They could of done it on zoom like all us poor folk do. You could not write it no matter what hallucinogenic you've taken. FRO!! Im away to totally hybidise my std boring LC.....
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Post by bare on Nov 4, 2021 23:28:51 GMT 1
Need ? to mention that the UK.. Continues and Refuses to cut back let alone eliminate Thermal Coal Electric generation.
Low hanging fruit approach to attack harmless twits with their IC engine toys instead.
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Post by JonW on Nov 5, 2021 1:21:16 GMT 1
In the future I really do see this coming, but I cant see this happening just yet. Not least as its against the current rules as it would effectively remove the aftermarket for parts (certainly for exhausts etc).
FWIW There is currently legislation in place to protect the aftermarket industry. Its the one that says you can service a vehicle outside of the dealer network and still retain warranty when using parts other than the manufacturers original parts. If this wasnt allowed then the likes of mechanics other than dealers plus oil, brake pad and filter makers would have little or no business etc.
That said , I can see this happen for emissions and safety tech tho as the article says, currently you can switch safety systems off on cars (so many button presses on a modern car, meh). At some point your insurance would have to be null if you switched things off like that as the vehicle would record (they do this now) that you did that etc. Black boxes are real etc. If this legislation is passed it will be a slippery slope for sure, initially it cant be for all parts but they would need a reason and the soft target is emissions and safety but 'safety' can be almost everything...
What I cant see is the retrospective thing, Im sure there would be a grandfather clause, not least as many old machines have no OEM parts left. If they said that all old bikes with no OEM parts were then scrap only then that is seriously wasteful as we would be forced to throw an otherwise perfectly good machine away for something minuscule like say the exact OEM tyre is no longer available, and surely modern tyres are safer than what the likes of a 70s bike came with. While an old bike may pollute the minimal miles its ridden annually, creating a new one would be much more expensive to the environment. The Gretas of this world dont seem to understand that, plus so many millennials dont care to think about history so that argument wont wash sadly.
All that said, I do think after market exhaust noise will soon become an issue. The more (ungodly) whisper quiet vehicles we have on our roads the more that noise will stand out and annoy people. I read an article the other day about the new Mercedes SL. It only comes with a huge V8. The article questioned how long before other road users changed from either thinking thats cool or not even noticing, to instead harassing you for a large polluting engine in your vehicle. I see Lotus also mention with the Emira that the smaller (Merc supplied) 4 cylinder 2 litre may be the more chosen spec as people want a less polluting car than the V6 etc. So, this type of thing is certainly starting to be at the fore front of peoples minds.
Dont despair just yet tho. not all laws stay around forever. In the 2000s in NSW we had a law about motorcycle exhausts that all aftermarkets had to be tested and have a plate affixed that said the db of the bike, and exy and annoying process. The OEMs were accepted as fine of course as thats how they were tested and approved. This was because our laws state that you cannot alter a vehicle from its approved / tested (ADR) state. Ive mentioned the ADR rules and the busts here before about that for mostly cars but just know that its a big thing. What's weird tho is that the exhaust thing on bikes went away tho, we no longer have that law and its back to cops just deciding if they will defect you for noise or not... or what feels like 'if youve a harley or not', ie if youre a harley you can make as much noise as you like, everyone else has to be quiet. Cops must ride harleys.
We live in interesting times thats for sure...
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 5, 2021 9:39:59 GMT 1
Need ? to mention that the UK.. Continues and Refuses to cut back let alone eliminate Thermal Coal Electric generation. Low hanging fruit approach to attack harmless twits with their IC engine toys instead. It's funny how the UK gets a bad name for using coal to generate electricity when in truth it is usually only between 2% and 3% of the total power generated. Nearly 50% is by gas though Scotland's last coal fired power station was closed in 2016 Steve  |
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Post by urbantangleweed on Nov 5, 2021 9:53:12 GMT 1
I spend quite some time in Spain and it's already like that there. For an MOT equivalent, the bike has to be virtually standard or it fails. One of the people I ride with there recently had to remove the crash bars from their bike as they sat forward of the indicators, and as for exhausts, everybody has to put their standard ones on, then they put the aftermarket system back on once they've got the ticket.
The one slight saving grace is that in Spain, a motorcycle MOT is only every two years, oh, and road tax is about 20% of what we pay in the UK.
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Post by chrisg on Nov 5, 2021 11:18:27 GMT 1
I spend quite some time in Spain and it's already like that there. For an MOT equivalent, the bike has to be virtually standard or it fails. One of the people I ride with there recently had to remove the crash bars from their bike as they sat forward of the indicators, and as for exhausts, everybody has to put their standard ones on, then they put the aftermarket system back on once they've got the ticket. The one slight saving grace is that in Spain, a motorcycle MOT is only every two years, oh, and road tax is about 20% of what we pay in the UK. I think it is the same in Germany, that's why the German imports are usually a good buy with all the original bits and green fasteners. |
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Post by Robbieben on Nov 5, 2021 12:27:24 GMT 1
I spend quite some time in Spain and it's already like that there. For an MOT equivalent, the bike has to be virtually standard or it fails. One of the people I ride with there recently had to remove the crash bars from their bike as they sat forward of the indicators, and as for exhausts, everybody has to put their standard ones on, then they put the aftermarket system back on once they've got the ticket. The one slight saving grace is that in Spain, a motorcycle MOT is only every two years, oh, and road tax is about 20% of what we pay in the UK. I think it is the same in Germany, that's why the German imports are usually a good buy with all the original bits and green fasteners. That's very true of Germany, even as far as tyres goes, a bike won't pass a TUV Test if it has tyres on it that aren't on the approved list for that particular bike. |
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Post by Dave B on Nov 5, 2021 14:17:38 GMT 1
I hate to be boring but MCN have a long history of publishing articles based on very little that are just designed to stir up controversy.
The thing is that any decent lawyer will tell you that the British (unwritten) Constitution has established long ago that retrospective Law is unconstututional. So if something was legal when it was done, it is legal now. You might not be allowed to do it again in the present day, but it was legal and it stays legal.
Secondly, in the UK we have "Historic Vehicles". Many two strokes are already in this category, and soon, they all will be.
They don't need to be inspected.
Thirdly, a lot of rich people own Vintage and Classic vehicles, including Arch Tory ,Rees-Mogg, and several Royals. I don't think the Government will be making enemies of them any time soon.
Our future King drives a Hybrid Aston Martin, after all!
MCN up to it's usual tricks now the race season is over!
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Nov 5, 2021 14:39:24 GMT 1
It's another leg protectors scare
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Steve
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Post by Tobyjugs on Nov 5, 2021 14:57:29 GMT 1
With the German TUV they are not jobsworth and if you can present a good case fore changing tyre size for example they will agree to approve. I know this from bringing in low volume classic cars from the UK.
The original parts are just not available any more.
It does make me think about kit cars etc. I have a Q plate RD, does that make it desirable now.
I can buy all the best trick bits for my bike from you guys next year for next to nothing. I will have plenty of choice of spannies to choose from and sell my crappy original pipes for £1500 a pair.
The future is looking bright.
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Post by rigga on Nov 5, 2021 16:29:13 GMT 1
I hate to be boring but MCN have a long history of publishing articles based on very little that are just designed to stir up controversy. The thing is that any decent lawyer will tell you that the British (unwritten) Constitution has established long ago that retrospective Law is unconstututional. So if something was legal when it was done, it is legal now. You might not be allowed to do it again in the present day, but it was legal and it stays legal. Secondly, in the UK we have "Historic Vehicles". Many two strokes are already in this category, and soon, they all will be. They don't need to be inspected. Thirdly, a lot of rich people own Vintage and Classic vehicles, including Arch Tory ,Rees-Mogg, and several Royals. I don't think the Government will be making enemies of them any time soon. Our future King drives a Hybrid Aston Martin, after all! MCN up to it's usual tricks now the race season is over! If it was just MCN reporting it, I'd agree, but its caused quite a stir in a lot of the classic car circles I frequent too. |
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Post by fozzy17 on Nov 29, 2021 15:01:00 GMT 1
Need ? to mention that the UK.. Continues and Refuses to cut back let alone eliminate Thermal Coal Electric generation. Low hanging fruit approach to attack harmless twits with their IC engine toys instead. It's funny how the UK gets a bad name for using coal to generate electricity when in truth it is usually only between 2% and 3% of the total power generated. Nearly 50% is by gas though Scotland's last coal fired power station was closed in 2016 Steve trouble is nearly everything we buy is from china, they are the world polluters and we grease the wheel |
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Post by HOJO on Dec 17, 2021 7:52:49 GMT 1
For the most part you can mod your bike all you like here in the US, California and I'm sure a few other states require emissions testing every other year for bikes 2000 or newer but that won't stop people from modifying their engines, just go back to OEM exhaust and ECU settings every other year, no one will bother you unless you get pulled over and piss off the 🚨 cop. As far as I'm concerned all of this green BS being jammed up our butt is ridiculous, it's all going to boil down to $$$$ and who is willing to pay off our crooked politicians, unfortunately the aftermarket industry just doesn't have the cash and influence like the pharmaceutical and oil companies do. Us in the US we are in a lot better shape than most of Europe but I'm afraid our days are numbered also.
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Post by fozzy17 on Dec 21, 2021 9:34:09 GMT 1
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Post by andy748 on Dec 21, 2021 10:45:18 GMT 1
Signed. Andy.
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Post by oldbritguy on Dec 21, 2021 12:30:53 GMT 1
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Post by exupman on Dec 21, 2021 14:01:52 GMT 1
signed
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Post by freddie19 on Dec 21, 2021 15:03:17 GMT 1
I've signed up!👍
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Post by dusty350 on Dec 21, 2021 20:23:02 GMT 1
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Post by donkeychomp on Dec 21, 2021 22:21:15 GMT 1
Did it a while ago. If it hits 100k it goes to parliament. Was at 97K when I signed.
Alex
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