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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 25, 2021 10:55:30 GMT 1
A few weeks ago the clutch cable on Kees's RD broke in the centre of Rotterdam. It was a bit of a faff riding it out or Rotterdam because of traffic and lights, but was plain sailing once on the motorway. Being a bit lazy i couldn't be bothered removing the cable because of the little bracket holding the cable to the top of the YPVS engine casing. I made the inner cable in place and it was a little long and the adjuster had to be screwed out in the clutch perch. I told my self not to be so lazy and opened up the side casing to adjust the pressure plate. Out of curiosity i decided to measure the pressure plate travel. The arrows on the block and clutch actuator were not lined up due to the cable being too long and with the cable adjuster on the perch taking up the slack the movement on the clutch plate was 0.41 mm movement. I then screwed the cable adjuster on the perch right in and adjusted the pressure plate to take up the slack. The arrows on the clutch actuator and block were still in the same position and the movement on the pressure plate was the same. After shortening the clutch cable and playing around with the perch and pressure plate adjustments the maximum movement i measured was 0.75mm at the pressure plate. This was a bit of a surprise after measuring 1.70 mm of movement on the Bakker engine. The difference between the two is the clutch perch. The standard 4LO lever produces a lot less movement compared to the Brembo clutch perch. This shows how important it is that the clutch cable really needs to be the correct length and adjusted correctly. The thread above does make my opinion stronger about selecting neutral. If you want a supple neutral selection use a clutch perch with a longer pull and make sure it is adjusted correctly, then you don't need any other mods just the normal Yamaha parts.
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Post by marrcel on Feb 25, 2021 19:06:22 GMT 1
I agree with you Tony. Last time i removed almost al cable slack. And voila finding neutral was easier. I am looking for a R6 or R1 at the mo😉
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 25, 2021 19:13:46 GMT 1
Agreed. If using another perch check that the distance from pivot bolt to centre of nipple is not less and also the gap created between the perch and the end of the lever when pulled into the bars should not be smaller
Steve
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 26, 2021 9:08:39 GMT 1
I agree with you Tony. Last time i removed almost al cable slack. And voila finding neutral was easier. I am looking for a R6 or R1 at the mo😉 My R6 perch does feel better than the Brembo perch but that could be the cable i'm using.
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Post by alankelly on Feb 26, 2021 10:25:10 GMT 1
A few weeks ago the clutch cable on Kees's RD broke in the centre of Rotterdam. It was a bit of a faff riding it out or Rotterdam because of traffic and lights, but was plain sailing once on the motorway. Being a bit lazy i couldn't be bothered removing the cable because of the little bracket holding the cable to the top of the YPVS engine casing. I made the inner cable in place and it was a little long and the adjuster had to be screwed out in the clutch perch. I told my self not to be so lazy and opened up the side casing to adjust the pressure plate. Out of curiosity i decided to measure the pressure plate travel. The arrows on the block and clutch actuator were not lined up due to the cable being too long and with the cable adjuster on the perch taking up the slack the movement on the clutch plate was 0.41 mm movement. I then screwed the cable adjuster on the perch right in and adjusted the pressure plate to take up the slack. The arrows on the clutch actuator and block were still in the same position and the movement on the pressure plate was the same. After shortening the clutch cable and playing around with the perch and pressure plate adjustments the maximum movement i measured was 0.75mm at the pressure plate. This was a bit of a surprise after measuring 1.70 mm of movement on the Bakker engine. The difference between the two is the clutch perch. The standard 4LO lever produces a lot less movement compared to the Brembo clutch perch. This shows how important it is that the clutch cable really needs to be the correct length and adjusted correctly. The thread above does make my opinion stronger about selecting neutral. If you want a supple neutral selection use a clutch perch with a longer pull and make sure it is adjusted correctly, then you don't need any other mods just the normal Yamaha parts. Hi Toby Hope you are well and glad you avoided that ban👍 That’s a really interesting read and some great info When I built my hydraulic clutch for my bike the using a slave piston from a GSF plus a off shelf master of 14mm maximum lift I achieved was around 0.9m I thought this would not be enough as never measured the lift before but it works very well with neutral not an issue and re enforces what you have measured Again some great info shared Best wish and stay safe Al
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 26, 2021 17:20:12 GMT 1
Hi Al hydraulic clutches are nice. Yes i kept my licence but yesterday i got the fine. It was 417 euros I just read my thread again and got confused by it. Basically what i was trying to say is you need to have your clutch lever fully adjusted and the arrows must line up. If you have your lever full adjusted and the arrows are not lined up you will have less movement leading to a bad neutral selection. I am used to selecting neutral from 2nd and giving the lever a sharp stab to get neutral. It feels strange when i go from first and just click it up to neutral. I was surprised by the amount of movement as i thought 0.75mm was too small after reading Rob quoting 1.30+ mm of movement on the 4LO system.
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Post by marrcel on Feb 26, 2021 17:50:20 GMT 1
417€ fine? I hope you went flat out on the Bakker. At least that’s value for money 😉
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Post by 4l04ever on Feb 26, 2021 22:02:50 GMT 1
Perhaps a YPVS Clutch perch and lever may give more travel?
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Post by stusco on Feb 26, 2021 22:20:49 GMT 1
I had neutral problems until i got adjustable span levers now its no problem so the same principles
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 27, 2021 22:44:47 GMT 1
I don't know the answer to that one Rob, i think my levers are 4LO. I will also measure the 4LO next time i fit one in a bike.
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Post by 4l04ever on Feb 27, 2021 23:45:27 GMT 1
I just saw the clutch in a YPVS with standard lever. Pressure plate was moving approx 1.5mm by my rough eye measurement. Certainly over 1mm.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Feb 28, 2021 0:31:02 GMT 1
I just saw the clutch in a YPVS with standard lever. Pressure plate was moving approx 1.5mm by my rough eye measurement. Certainly over 1mm. Ok Thats interesting to know.
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Post by wallcraft on Feb 28, 2021 21:15:55 GMT 1
Could the springs come into play, aren't the 4LO ones different to the YPVS?
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