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Post by shell2tx on Feb 5, 2021 11:34:20 GMT 1
Hi there all was just wondering how much an early 4L0 motor is worth in good condition against a 250 lc motor in good condition, bad condition or rebuilt? Prices seem to be all over the place..
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Post by veg on Feb 5, 2021 11:53:57 GMT 1
Is guess it depends on what you mean by good condition? Is it rebuilt? New crank, seals bearings? Bore size? With ancillaries crabs ignition etc? Or is a running motor that has just been removed with no provenance? Bear in mind how much a rebuild costs 250 will cost just as much to rebuild as a 350. Are you looking at one or selling one?
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Post by roblc350 on Feb 5, 2021 11:59:32 GMT 1
id prefer mine to have carbs instead of crabs hehe
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 5, 2021 12:12:14 GMT 1
id prefer mine to have carbs instead of crabs hehe Oh stop being so shellfish 🤣 Steve
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Post by tony2stroke on Feb 5, 2021 12:43:40 GMT 1
I was going to "muscle" in and make a something fishy about this comment, but I trout it would be appreciated
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Post by veg on Feb 5, 2021 12:57:19 GMT 1
id prefer mine to have carbs instead of crabs hehe Crabs boars and bears 😁
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Post by shell2tx on Feb 5, 2021 13:41:42 GMT 1
Nobody wants to put their head on the block, well there must be a going rate, yes I've got a 350 lc engine for sale and yes it is rebuilt and all correct green etc and a 250 in the similar condition I'm just looking for an idea as I don't want to be branded a greedy b*****rd but we all know how much it costs to build one at today's current rates, so far everyone that has enquired about it seems to want it for a grand but a grand these days only seems to get you a set of knackered barrels and a set of empty cases.
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Post by rigga on Feb 5, 2021 13:46:16 GMT 1
I don't think anyone would pay a grand for knackered barrels and empty cases, I'd like to see evidence they have sold for that. Before you dropped that nugget, I was going to day 1k for a decent LC motor, but obvious I'm living in dream land.
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 5, 2021 13:50:36 GMT 1
Chap on here sells loads of LC stuff on EBay, think he goes by the name classic-two-Strokes on there, might be able to give you a good idea what there worth, Bike prices seem to of shot up lately so spares will follow suit ..
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Post by veg on Feb 5, 2021 14:03:11 GMT 1
John no one is going to think you’re being greedy, if you think barrels are what upwards of £500 depending on bore size? Bottom end got to be likewise but if you know it’s got a good crank and it’s complete upwards of that if it were me I’d be expecting upwards of £1500 easily if it’s all complete with decent ancillaries etc etc The other option is to whack it on eBay wouldn’t be surprised to be see it easily surpassing those figures. Also consider what you want for it? Eg if you want £2k advertise it at that, yes some of us are surprised at the values of these things but the prices are what the markets are paying, also your not someone whose joined to just sell stuff like some do with unreal expectations. Good luck mate. 👍
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Post by tony2stroke on Feb 5, 2021 14:16:22 GMT 1
John no one is going to think you’re being greedy, if you think barrels are what upwards of £500 depending on bore size? Bottom end got to be likewise but if you know it’s got a good crank and it’s complete upwards of that if it were me I’d be expecting upwards of £1500 easily if it’s all complete with decent ancillaries etc etc The other option is to whack it on eBay wouldn’t be surprised to be see it easily surpassing those figures. Also consider what you want for it? Eg if you want £2k advertise it at that, yes some of us are surprised at the values of these things but the prices are what the markets are paying, also your not someone whose joined to just sell stuff like some do with unreal expectations. Good luck mate. 👍 I don't believe it, I agree with veg
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 5, 2021 14:16:50 GMT 1
I would think you are in the ball park at £1000 for the 250 and £1500 for the 350
I know where you are coming from with the rebuild costs but we all know if you buy a used but running engine for £1k and spend £1k on it you are unlikely to get £2k for it
It's like going to buy a car and the seller thinks it's worth £1500 more than others selling the same as he's put a new clutch and flywheel in it.
It does make it worth a bit more and is more desirable but you would expect them all to have a working clutch and not rattling like a brick in the washing machine
I may be out on my value opinions but it's just what is in my head
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 5, 2021 14:18:08 GMT 1
You could probably push the 350 further on ebay if it's on a new low bore and a new crank
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Feb 5, 2021 14:18:57 GMT 1
Oh and it's a quid final sale fee on ebay offer going around this weekend 🤣
Steve
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Post by veg on Feb 5, 2021 14:29:22 GMT 1
Steve’s right I think for a 250 as the value in these motors is in the barrels I paid £150 recently for a set of standard bore barrels and head for a 350 I’d have been lucky to have spent less than 500/600 quid then you’ve got the oil pump for the 350 are you including carbs etc? Oh and one says 4L0 and another 4L1
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Post by lc2 on Feb 5, 2021 14:41:53 GMT 1
John no one is going to think you’re being greedy, if you think barrels are what upwards of £500 depending on bore size? Bottom end got to be likewise but if you know it’s got a good crank and it’s complete upwards of that if it were me I’d be expecting upwards of £1500 easily if it’s all complete with decent ancillaries etc etc The other option is to whack it on eBay wouldn’t be surprised to be see it easily surpassing those figures. Also consider what you want for it? Eg if you want £2k advertise it at that, yes some of us are surprised at the values of these things but the prices are what the markets are paying, also your not someone whose joined to just sell stuff like some do with unreal expectations. Good luck mate. 👍 Thanks for the mention and I sell as classic two strokes on Ebay and get the odd mention in this groups Ebay chancers topic but I won't hold that against anyone anywho back to the topic, around 12 months ago I sold a low mileage but complete YPVS 350 engine for £1800 it was in excellent condition. I know it's the YPVS but prices and rarity of this and the previous model are now in the same ballpark. I would have thought if the 350 engine was complete with internal condition known it could reach anywhere between £1700 to £1900 and the 250 around £1500. Just my thoughts for what it's worth It's supply and demand 101 and the market ultimately sets the price.
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Post by muttsnuts on Feb 5, 2021 15:15:15 GMT 1
um, I must be selling stuff too cheap !
I'd put a decent 350LC engine (with stator and oil pump, but no carbs) between £1300 and £1500, the bores would need to be no more than 0.50mm O/S, as the size increases, the price drops, the last set of standard barrels, new pistons with a good head went for £650, a set of 4L0 crank cases seem to fetch between £250 and £350, the oil pump is the next valuable item (with worm drive), after that pretty much everything else is interchangeable with the 250 engine, sop you can see how the prices add up
HTH
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 5, 2021 16:08:55 GMT 1
I think £1500 for the 350 lump is not unrealistic in the current market, 6 months ago £1200 would of been a realistic figure for the few I’ve seen listed on sites such as EBay. Think there’s only one on there at this moment in time which is in Italy, chap is asking £2.5K for it plus delivery and now I assume the dreaded VAT on top of that !! I got a complete running 4L0 bike for not a lot more than that last August ..
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Post by steve h on Feb 5, 2021 17:04:47 GMT 1
With what a half decent 350 fetches now (really good one was 4 to 4.5k a couple of years ago)..... I would of thought its engine is "worth" £2.5k? if all good, and nothing at all needed.
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Post by fletche36 on Feb 5, 2021 21:42:13 GMT 1
i have been watching barrels and the such lately and the last set of 350 barrels which had been tuned and bored only went for £200 and odd quid . As said prices are all over the show and are up or down on a weekly basis. To me , if a lot of people are valuing a motor at £1k that probably not far off ( hence why they are offering )unless they are after doing a little profiteering :)its a strange thing is the cult of the LC !
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 5, 2021 21:49:23 GMT 1
i have been watching barrels and the such lately and the last set of 350 barrels which had been tuned and bored only went for £200 and odd quid . As said prices are all over the show and are up or down on a weekly basis. To me , if a lot of people are valuing a motor at £1k that probably not far off ( hence why they are offering )unless they are after doing a little profiteering :)its a strange thing is the cult of the LC ! £200 odd for 350 barrels !! They must of been shagged m8 😂 250 motor just gone on, let’s see what she goes for to gauge a marker in the sand so to speak, that said it’s quiet a high starting price so might not be any takers 😂😂 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274673130681
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Post by tony2stroke on Feb 5, 2021 22:36:40 GMT 1
i have been watching barrels and the such lately and the last set of 350 barrels which had been tuned and bored only went for £200 and odd quid . As said prices are all over the show and are up or down on a weekly basis. To me , if a lot of people are valuing a motor at £1k that probably not far off ( hence why they are offering )unless they are after doing a little profiteering :)its a strange thing is the cult of the LC ! £200 odd for 350 barrels !! They must of been shagged m8 😂 250 motor just gone on, let’s see what she goes for to gauge a marker in the sand so to speak, that said it’s quiet a high starting price so might not be any takers 😂😂 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274673130681I know the barrels he was talking about, £259 they went for, 375 DT175 piston, looked good to me, I was bidding myself, would have paid more, "BUT" as I was counting down the last seconds, I put in a bid and then it said confirm, ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG too late, hasn't asked me to confirm a bid for ages, but last night it decided too.
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 5, 2021 23:00:21 GMT 1
£200 odd for 350 barrels !! They must of been shagged m8 😂 250 motor just gone on, let’s see what she goes for to gauge a marker in the sand so to speak, that said it’s quiet a high starting price so might not be any takers 😂😂 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/274673130681I know the barrels he was talking about, £259 they went for, 375 DT175 piston, looked good to me, I was bidding myself, would have paid more, "BUT" as I was counting down the last seconds, I put in a bid and then it said confirm, ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG too late, hasn't asked me to confirm a bid for ages, but last night it decided too. Ahh I did see those Tony, the decked 375 barrels,, little bit specialist for sure but £259 seems a very good price, shame you didn’t win them buddy ..
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Post by tony2stroke on Feb 5, 2021 23:10:34 GMT 1
I know the barrels he was talking about, £259 they went for, 375 DT175 piston, looked good to me, I was bidding myself, would have paid more, "BUT" as I was counting down the last seconds, I put in a bid and then it said confirm, ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG too late, hasn't asked me to confirm a bid for ages, but last night it decided too. Ahh I did see those Tony, the decked 375 barrels,, little bit specialist for sure but £259 seems a very good price, shame you didn’t win them buddy .. I put £350 bid in thinking worth a go at that price, just to play around with, did expect them to go for more though really.
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 6, 2021 10:27:32 GMT 1
John? And just to confuse you even further, here’s a 4L0 bottom end with 250 top end fitted, seller would like £1299 ( or offers ) for it and it looks to of been pulled from the bottom of the Ocean 😂 www.ebay.co.uk/itm/164688738704
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Post by jon on Feb 6, 2021 11:11:19 GMT 1
I think just saying the motor is rebuilt is why you had a reluctance at the start to put a figure on it, and why the varying prices.
Who rebuilt it? Was the crank checked/repaired? We’re the barrels rebored? Bore size? New pistons or rings? Genuine seals and gaskets?
I think this will not only give you a more accurate value, but also aid a future sale.
Jon
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Post by reedpete on Feb 6, 2021 13:04:37 GMT 1
Its quite a strange situation to have a freshly rebuilt engine immediately for sale, since the saleable price point is much less than the sum of the parts. The ideal engine for someone looking for a plug and play lump would be a very low mileage one, fully run in , in a bike they could road test. Anything else comes with the risk of the unknown unless it had huge provenance. An engine that had zero mikes on it would best serve the market by being broken and sold in parts...lots of folks wanting this or that . In that scenario the top end in particular would be worth the most. Then crank etc etc. If I was shopping for an engine I know I’d need plus or minus £1500 for a 4L0 and £1000 for a 4L1.
As for prices of 350 barrels being all over the place, I don’t see that... Standard porting, standard bore, 01 casting, with matched good pistons are the most valuable....and then they discount accordingly by how many bores and how much they have been messed with. Worn out barrels that could be relined will make £150 a set. (Cost to reline £500 with pistons ..)
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Post by shell2tx on Feb 6, 2021 18:55:32 GMT 1
Yes what a topic, well I had so many bits I had collected that I thought what the hell i will make a few motors out of these they will be of use to someone so I ended up with 3x 350 engines and 2x 250 engines and 2 of the 350 engines have ended up in bikes and I have one spare so just wanted to get a guide as there was - is a guy wanting to buy my 350 off me and take the engine as he had a bike that requires one as well I know roughly what they are going for I just needed to confirm it from the experts.
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Post by 29davyt on Feb 21, 2021 14:27:37 GMT 1
Ahh I did see those Tony, the decked 375 barrels,, little bit specialist for sure but £259 seems a very good price, shame you didn’t win them buddy .. I put £350 bid in thinking worth a go at that price, just to play around with, did expect them to go for more though really. There back up for sale Tony, second time lucky ??
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Post by tony2stroke on Feb 21, 2021 14:45:04 GMT 1
I put £350 bid in thinking worth a go at that price, just to play around with, did expect them to go for more though really. There back up for sale Tony, second time lucky ?? Cheers!! I will keep my eye on them.
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