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Post by Delbert on Sept 21, 2020 20:09:55 GMT 1
Hi guys
I need to get my 250 frame sorted and I really can't decide between powder coating or 2k paint, I've never been a fan of powder, what do you guys prefer?
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 21, 2020 20:15:37 GMT 1
Powder for me, as long as it's done right. Plus I don't do standard, so not a problem regards originality. Dusty  |
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Post by Tobyjugs on Sept 21, 2020 20:27:34 GMT 1
I prefer 2k paint for a frame. If painted well it will outlast your riding days if your 50 plus.
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Post by donkeychomp on Sept 21, 2020 21:24:40 GMT 1
After a few disasters with a certain powder coaters I know...from now on it's paint for me.
Alex
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Post by Delbert on Sept 21, 2020 21:28:09 GMT 1
I prefer 2k paint for a frame. If painted well it will outlast your riding days if your 50 plus. I did my last lc in 2k and as you say it looked as good as the day it was done many years later , I've never had a frame powder coated so a little nervous I won't like the finish |
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Post by Tobyjugs on Sept 21, 2020 21:35:51 GMT 1
I prefer 2k paint for a frame. If painted well it will outlast your riding days if your 50 plus. I did my last lc in 2k and as you say it looked as good as the day it was done many years later , I've never had a frame powder coated so a little nervous I won't like the finish I don't know which is the cheapest. i am how ever going to powder coat a pair of LC cigar pipes. I know the owner of the company and he has told me he has a special powder coating which is high temperature. He has used it on his competition diesel with good results. |
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Post by Delbert on Sept 21, 2020 21:40:07 GMT 1
I did my last lc in 2k and as you say it looked as good as the day it was done many years later , I've never had a frame powder coated so a little nervous I won't like the finish I don't know which is the cheapest. i am how ever going to powder coat a pair of LC cigar pipes. I know the owner of the company and he has told me he has a special powder coating which is high temperature. He has used it on his competition diesel with good results. I dont think there is much in it price wise !! Interested to hear / see the outcome of the exhausts |
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Post by Tobyjugs on Sept 21, 2020 21:50:36 GMT 1
I will post it when they get coated
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Post by tacky1 on Sept 22, 2020 4:44:26 GMT 1
All mine are powder. I think it’s the best coating. Tough.
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 22, 2020 6:55:14 GMT 1
The good thing with powder is it's attracted to all the "hard to get to" parts of the frame - areas a wet spray might miss or struggle to get to. But, as with everything, paint or powder is only as good as the person applying it. I'm lucky in that I have 2 different guys I can use for powdercoat, and both are really good at what they do. I like a gloss finish on my bikes - all non standard builds - and the finish is like glass, and super tough, chip resisitant, and easily touched in if needed. The 430e I just sold had the same powdercoated finish from 1987 ish, and was still glossy and looked great. Downside with powder is it's not petrol safe - probably not an issue with a frame but risky if you do side cases or a crank case with it. If you go with powder, find a firm that know bikes and how to treat them - a garden furniture firm wont get such a good finish !  Dusty |
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Post by Delbert on Sept 22, 2020 7:18:11 GMT 1
The good thing with powder is it's attracted to all the "hard to get to" parts of the frame - areas a wet spray might miss or struggle to get to. But, as with everything, paint or powder is only as good as the person applying it. I'm lucky in that I have 2 different guys I can use for powdercoat, and both are really good at what they do. I like a gloss finish on my bikes - all non standard builds - and the finish is like glass, and super tough, chip resisitant, and easily touched in if needed. The 430e I just sold had the same powdercoated finish from 1987 ish, and was still glossy and looked great. Downside with powder is it's not petrol safe - probably not an issue with a frame but risky if you do side cases or a crank case with it. If you go with powder, find a firm that know bikes and how to treat them - a garden furniture firm wont get such a good finish ! Dusty Cheers Dusty thanks for the advice 👍🏻 |
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Post by justyr on Sept 24, 2020 12:02:50 GMT 1
Paint every time. For everything.
I avoid gloopy plastic horrible stuff, yuck.
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Post by steve63 on Sept 24, 2020 13:03:59 GMT 1
Back in the day, as they say, we had our frames stove enameled. It was very tough. A bit hard I suppose and chipped but only if it was hit pretty hard. It seems like powder has taken over from stoving.
One of the LC's I have has had the frame blasted and wet sprayed twice now over the years. Both times by me which might explain a lot. The frame is currently hanging up in the garage and has virtually nothing but rust on it after being used for years for commuting and then taken off the road in the nineties.
Another has been powder coated silver at some point in the past, then sprayed over with black. This had had some damage to the rear end, the loop across that supports the seat area. This has been repaired badly and needs sorting. Not a problem for me once I can get the powder off and that is the problem. As a lot of people on here do, I like to do things myself if I can but I tried shot blasting the seat sub frame which has had the same treatment and it wasn't really happening.
If I could get it stripped and made ready I know there is 2K available that doesn't have the health issues associated with the original stuff so might be a DIY possibility. I have heard that chemical stripping is the way to go.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Sept 24, 2020 13:22:12 GMT 1
Back in the day, as they say, we had our frames stove enameled. It was very tough. A bit hard I suppose and chipped but only if it was hit pretty hard. It seems like powder has taken over from stoving. One of the LC's I have has had the frame blasted and wet sprayed twice now over the years. Both times by me which might explain a lot. The frame is currently hanging up in the garage and has virtually nothing but rust on it after being used for years for commuting and then taken off the road in the nineties. Another has been powder coated silver at some point in the past, then sprayed over with black. This had had some damage to the rear end, the loop across that supports the seat area. This has been repaired badly and needs sorting. Not a problem for me once I can get the powder off and that is the problem. As a lot of people on here do, I like to do things myself if I can but I tried shot blasting the seat sub frame which has had the same treatment and it wasn't really happening. If I could get it stripped and made ready I know there is 2K available that doesn't have the health issues associated with the original stuff so might be a DIY possibility. I have heard that chemical stripping is the way to go. Chemical stripping is your friend I've got a local alloy wheel refurbishment company who is more than happy to strip stuff Paid £15 to get a powdercoated frame done Steve |
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Post by veg on Sept 24, 2020 14:57:30 GMT 1
Paint paint paint. Powder is Horrible stuff Satan’s spittle beelzebubs bogeys it’s awful
It really does depend
On what you want if you’re doing a green passivate rebuild it should be paint to match the original. Hybrids and specials is down to personal preference. Some prefer the long term benefits of powder. Personally I love the finish of wet paint can’t be doing with powder. Had a couple of hybrids powder coated now gone to paint and I’ll never go back however I’ve found decent painters to be quite a bit more expensive.
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 24, 2020 16:40:00 GMT 1
Plastic coating was something different entirely. Often found on ornate ali garden furniture, it would peel off in large lumps once moisture got beneath it☹
Maybe I'm lucky with the finishes I've had with powdercoat - I can't fault it and I'm really fussy with my builds (as in REALLY fussy😉)
Dusty🙂
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Post by donkeychomp on Sept 24, 2020 21:36:43 GMT 1
Fussy? You? Really? Alex |
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Post by steve h on Sept 24, 2020 22:34:39 GMT 1
Paint paint paint. Powder is Horrible stuff Satan’s spittle beelzebubs bogeys it’s awful It really does depend On what you want if you’re doing a green passivate rebuild it should be paint to match the original. Hybrids and specials is down to personal preference. Some prefer the long term benefits of powder. Personally I love the finish of wet paint can’t be doing with powder. Had a couple of hybrids powder coated now gone to paint and I’ll never go back however I’ve found decent painters to be quite a bit more expensive. Totally agree. Scratch paint and it can be touched up, water gets underneath plastic coatings that get cracked or damaged,, then do real damage. I don't understand the anal rivet counters and green passivate brigade who powder coat everything when they should be giving everything a piss poor coating of black paint to match the original finish.  Powder does hide the bird shit welding spatter a whole lot better than paint though..... I had a Commando frame stove enamelled.... don't seem to hear of that anymore. Its still good 38yrs later. |
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Post by steve63 on Sept 24, 2020 22:53:22 GMT 1
Back in the day, as they say, we had our frames stove enameled. It was very tough. A bit hard I suppose and chipped but only if it was hit pretty hard. It seems like powder has taken over from stoving. One of the LC's I have has had the frame blasted and wet sprayed twice now over the years. Both times by me which might explain a lot. The frame is currently hanging up in the garage and has virtually nothing but rust on it after being used for years for commuting and then taken off the road in the nineties. Another has been powder coated silver at some point in the past, then sprayed over with black. This had had some damage to the rear end, the loop across that supports the seat area. This has been repaired badly and needs sorting. Not a problem for me once I can get the powder off and that is the problem. As a lot of people on here do, I like to do things myself if I can but I tried shot blasting the seat sub frame which has had the same treatment and it wasn't really happening. If I could get it stripped and made ready I know there is 2K available that doesn't have the health issues associated with the original stuff so might be a DIY possibility. I have heard that chemical stripping is the way to go. Chemical stripping is your friend I've got a local alloy wheel refurbishment company who is more than happy to strip stuff Paid £15 to get a powdercoated frame done Steve I like the sound of £15.00 Anywhere near East Yorkshire? |
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Post by steve63 on Sept 24, 2020 22:57:07 GMT 1
The original paint on LC frames looked ok........for about half a British winter then that was it. So originality is over rated That's true. Where do you draw the line? I've seen lots of restorations that were much better than the bikes ever came out of the showroom. Paintwork thicker, chrome much better etc.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Sept 24, 2020 23:03:34 GMT 1
Chemical stripping is your friend I've got a local alloy wheel refurbishment company who is more than happy to strip stuff Paid £15 to get a powdercoated frame done Steve I like the sound of £15.00 Anywhere near East Yorkshire? Afraid not, sunny Glasgow (well it is sometimes. Not like Greenock, it's always pishin there) Steve |
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Post by steve63 on Sept 25, 2020 8:17:22 GMT 1
I like the sound of £15.00 Anywhere near East Yorkshire? Afraid not, sunny Glasgow (well it is sometimes. Not like Greenock, it's always pishin there) Steve Thanks. When I get to that stage I'll enquire locally. |
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Post by steve63 on Sept 25, 2020 8:31:00 GMT 1
There's a guy off another forum that got himself a powder coating set up in his workshop. It was hard to tell his powder coating from paint. He's a very switched on guy and spent a lot of time experimenting getting it right.
You might see a frame or engine covers done at a general engineering powder coaters that's been done badly and that'll put you off it for good I guess. I had my KMX125 frame done in the standard filter. It cost me about £40.00 about 10 years ago. It was OK I suppose. It was left in the garage for a year or so. Some ivy used to grow into the garage and it was either the sap off the ivy or something off the insects on it but some of the gloss top layer of the powder was eaten away leaving a kind of grey almost undercoat behind.
Apparently LSN in Castleford are very good.
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Post by 29davyt on Sept 25, 2020 9:47:22 GMT 1
I think the powder coating has improved over the years but still never seems to match something like a 2K paint finish
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Post by Delbert on Sept 26, 2020 20:43:40 GMT 1
Thanks for all the input chaps , some interesting replies , still can't make my mind up weather to try powder 🙈
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Sept 26, 2020 21:08:46 GMT 1
There are different powders
Ask to see a sample. Some look like thick plastic and some are thin and look very like paint. Even a very light texture on it like spray
The painter I've used the last couple of times preps his tanks by lightly blasting then a thin very fine powder coat as a base
I picked up an f2 tank for a mate that they had welded, powdered and lined
It's like white gloss paint
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Sept 26, 2020 21:09:59 GMT 1
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Post by dusty350 on Sept 27, 2020 8:03:17 GMT 1
A powdercoated finish can look as good as paint, no question. It comes down to the quality of the powder and the person applying it. Both those caveats apply to paint too of course. The thing with powder is it can be applied too thick, as it won't sag like wet paint will if applied too heavily, so again, its down to the skill of the person applying it to get the right covering. Modern powders are a different level to what was applied back in the day, and a bike specialist is a league apart from an iron railings guy ! As with most hobbies, we all have our favourite this or that, and that's fine. Just go with what you feel most comfortable with😉
Dusty🙂
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Post by mouse on Sept 27, 2020 8:56:21 GMT 1
Quite agree with Dusty and Veg, i would say paint BUT in my experience it is a lot more expensive and frames are tricky things. I had one done by an 'expert' and there were bits he missed, i.e no paint. Had it re-done as powdercoat in satin and it looks fantastic, much better than i thought and a third or the price, but this is on a hybrid.
Mouse
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Post by damiensk on Oct 3, 2020 21:19:41 GMT 1
always gone for powder, never had any issues, but go to a place that does for motorbike parts.
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