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Post by 4l04ever on Mar 18, 2019 11:36:21 GMT 1
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Post by earthman on Mar 18, 2019 16:30:38 GMT 1
If the bike did fail the test I'm guessing that you couldn't ride it back home legally?
I've never had to take a vehicle without time remaining on the current certificate but I guess the situation is the same, you could get nicked either way??
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Post by 4l04ever on Mar 18, 2019 17:38:09 GMT 1
As long as you are insured and not a million miles off the route to or from the MOT station then you are legal. If it failed, it would have gone back to his work which is a car repair place. Now tucked up at his house in the garage.
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Post by Tobyjugs on Mar 18, 2019 17:42:49 GMT 1
Looks like the sun came out for a look.
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Post by copper99 on Mar 18, 2019 21:22:46 GMT 1
If the bike did fail the test I'm guessing that you couldn't ride it back home legally? I've never had to take a vehicle without time remaining on the current certificate but I guess the situation is the same, you could get nicked either way?? Its not quite common knowledge as yet but MOT laws changed May last year and if the fault is deemed as" dangerous " you are not allowed to drive the vehicle away until its repaired, EVEN IF you had MOT time remaining prior to taking your vehicle to test. If the fault is deemed as "major", depending on the issue, you may still not be legal to drive it away (as happened to myself) The MOT failure is logged onto the DVLA system and so the Kwik Fit man told me, loudly , if your picked up by a police ANPR camera, you will be stopped. I wasnt aware of the rule changes when my company care went in last December and after it failed, I had a wee argument with the tester, took the keys from him , he then contacted the vehicle leasing company , who in turn emailed my line manager, who then tried to give me an official warning but I fought that one on the grounds that it was the company's duty and due diligence to inform company car drivers of changes like this.... All a nice earner for the MOT centres.. www.halfordsautocentres.com/advice/mot-advice/new-mot-rules-2018 |
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Post by rich on Mar 18, 2019 22:33:05 GMT 1
Not strictly true. An mot centre can't stop you taking a vehicle away, even if it has failed on a 'dangerous' fault. They can only advise against it. However, the onus is on the owner as if they are using a vehicle on the road in a dangerous condition, they are committing an offence regardless so this hasn't really changed.
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Post by earthman on Mar 18, 2019 23:55:53 GMT 1
If the bike did fail the test I'm guessing that you couldn't ride it back home legally? I've never had to take a vehicle without time remaining on the current certificate but I guess the situation is the same, you could get nicked either way?? Its not quite common knowledge as yet but MOT laws changed May last year and if the fault is deemed as" dangerous " you are not allowed to drive the vehicle away until its repaired, EVEN IF you had MOT time remaining prior to taking your vehicle to test. If the fault is deemed as "major", depending on the issue, you may still not be legal to drive it away (as happened to myself) The MOT failure is logged onto the DVLA system and so the Kwik Fit man told me, loudly , if your picked up by a police ANPR camera, you will be stopped. I wasnt aware of the rule changes when my company care went in last December and after it failed, I had a wee argument with the tester, took the keys from him , he then contacted the vehicle leasing company , who in turn emailed my line manager, who then tried to give me an official warning but I fought that one on the grounds that it was the company's duty and due diligence to inform company car drivers of changes like this.... All a nice earner for the MOT centres.. www.halfordsautocentres.com/advice/mot-advice/new-mot-rules-2018Yes, I heard about those changes and have spoken to a few people about that,.....the places that only do mot's for example, if they fail it and you don't even have the option of paying them to do the work to then make it pass, what are you suppose to do? It's true that they can't legally stop you driving/riding away,....some of these places just don't have the space to retain vehicles anyhow. |
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Post by earthman on Mar 19, 2019 0:00:11 GMT 1
Not strictly true. An mot centre can't stop you taking a vehicle away, even if it has failed on a 'dangerous' fault. They can only advise against it. However, the onus is on the owner as if they are using a vehicle on the road in a dangerous condition, they are committing an offence regardless so this hasn't really changed. Yet if you phone the mot place before hand, book a day/time to drive or ride the vehicle to them that say you've spent months or years restoring, it could still have a 'dangerous' fault whilst on that journey yet that's totally legal??  |
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Post by 4l04ever on Mar 19, 2019 0:09:03 GMT 1
Will be a lot easier once our bikes get to 40....no MOT no road tax :-)
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Post by aid22 on Mar 19, 2019 8:47:40 GMT 1
Not strictly true. An mot centre can't stop you taking a vehicle away, even if it has failed on a 'dangerous' fault. They can only advise against it. However, the onus is on the owner as if they are using a vehicle on the road in a dangerous condition, they are committing an offence regardless so this hasn't really changed. What rich say's here is true. And if a vehicle does fail on a 'major' then it an only be taken away and not used until any repairs are carried out. In copper99 situation, it sounds like Kwick-fit were just pressuring for the business, which is a bit naughty. Aid. |
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Post by earthman on Mar 19, 2019 11:55:10 GMT 1
Not strictly true. An mot centre can't stop you taking a vehicle away, even if it has failed on a 'dangerous' fault. They can only advise against it. However, the onus is on the owner as if they are using a vehicle on the road in a dangerous condition, they are committing an offence regardless so this hasn't really changed. What rich say's here is true. And if a vehicle does fail on a 'major' then it an only be taken away and not used until any repairs are carried out. In copper99 situation, it sounds like Kwick-fit were just pressuring for the business, which is a bit naughty. Aid. Oh really, so you can legally drive/ride it home if the fault is a major one,....are all coppers fully aware of what items are/aren't considered a major fault I wonder?? |
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Post by 4l04ever on Mar 19, 2019 12:59:23 GMT 1
Any issues are listed on the new MOT forms, under Minor, Major or Dangerous headings, so would be easy for them to check as this information is also available online.
I use an app called Vehicle Smart. You just enter the registration and you can see all previous MOT details.
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Post by copper99 on Mar 19, 2019 20:39:28 GMT 1
Not strictly true. An mot centre can't stop you taking a vehicle away, even if it has failed on a 'dangerous' fault. They can only advise against it. However, the onus is on the owner as if they are using a vehicle on the road in a dangerous condition, they are committing an offence regardless so this hasn't really changed. What rich say's here is true. And if a vehicle does fail on a 'major' then it an only be taken away and not used until any repairs are carried out. In copper99 situation, it sounds like Kwick-fit were just pressuring for the business, which is a bit naughty. Aid. I think the key bit is previously, you could take the vehicle away , especially of you have a bit of MOT left but now, if you want to take the vehicle away with a dangerous fault, the only legal way of taking it away is on another transporter, its simply not allowed on the road under its own motion.... Kwik Fit had the contract for the repairs anyway, it was a company vehicle and only they could be authorised to do the work.. |
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Post by copper99 on Mar 19, 2019 20:41:20 GMT 1
What rich say's here is true. And if a vehicle does fail on a 'major' then it an only be taken away and not used until any repairs are carried out. In copper99 situation, it sounds like Kwick-fit were just pressuring for the business, which is a bit naughty. Aid. Oh really, so you can legally drive/ride it home if the fault is a major one,....are all coppers fully aware of what items are/aren't considered a major fault I wonder?? The coppers dont need to be aware, if its on the DVLA system as failed MOT as a dangerous fault , thats enough.. |
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Post by copper99 on Mar 19, 2019 20:46:53 GMT 1
Any issues are listed on the new MOT forms, under Minor, Major or Dangerous headings, so would be easy for them to check as this information is also available online. I use an app called Vehicle Smart. You just enter the registration and you can see all previous MOT details. Seeing as we are on the topic, ill share this! Im looking for a cheap runabout and finding the MOT history checker very useful. Anyway, I looked up this Ford Ka just today and was a bit surprised to see one of the notes had a canine theme! 
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 19, 2019 20:50:03 GMT 1
If the bike did fail the test I'm guessing that you couldn't ride it back home legally? I've never had to take a vehicle without time remaining on the current certificate but I guess the situation is the same, you could get nicked either way?? Its not quite common knowledge as yet but MOT laws changed May last year and if the fault is deemed as" dangerous " you are not allowed to drive the vehicle away until its repaired, EVEN IF you had MOT time remaining prior to taking your vehicle to test. If the fault is deemed as "major", depending on the issue, you may still not be legal to drive it away (as happened to myself) The MOT failure is logged onto the DVLA system and so the Kwik Fit man told me, loudly , if your picked up by a police ANPR camera, you will be stopped. I wasnt aware of the rule changes when my company care went in last December and after it failed, I had a wee argument with the tester, took the keys from him , he then contacted the vehicle leasing company , who in turn emailed my line manager, who then tried to give me an official warning but I fought that one on the grounds that it was the company's duty and due diligence to inform company car drivers of changes like this.... All a nice earner for the MOT centres.. www.halfordsautocentres.com/advice/mot-advice/new-mot-rules-2018Sorry I just laughed out loud "if your picked up by a police ANPR camera, you will be stopped." Yeah like the uninsured, un mot'd and untaxed car that did a hit and run on me had been driving around Newcastle for months tripping anpr cameras was only flagged as a vehicle of interest after the failure to stop What's the point of having them if scum can run around unhindered Oh and love the company being responsible line 👍 Steve |
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Post by earthman on Mar 19, 2019 21:18:09 GMT 1
Oh really, so you can legally drive/ride it home if the fault is a major one,....are all coppers fully aware of what items are/aren't considered a major fault I wonder?? The coppers dont need to be aware, if its on the DVLA system as failed MOT as a dangerous fault , thats enough.. Ah, OK so assuming that the fault comes up on the system as a 'major' one, how many coppers are aware that you are still in the clear and can continue driving home? That should have been the question.  |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Mar 20, 2019 15:52:02 GMT 1
Any issues are listed on the new MOT forms, under Minor, Major or Dangerous headings, so would be easy for them to check as this information is also available online. I use an app called Vehicle Smart. You just enter the registration and you can see all previous MOT details. Seeing as we are on the topic, ill share this! Im looking for a cheap runabout and finding the MOT history checker very useful. Anyway, I looked up this Ford Ka just today and was a bit surprised to see one of the notes had a canine theme!
That is hilarious 😂 Maybe if the smell was a bit worse it would be classed as dangerous as the wretching would affect your driving 🤢🤮 Steve |
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