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Post by reggieperrin on Jan 19, 2018 15:48:59 GMT 1
I can understand that this is an emotive subject and I genuinely feel for both sides but in this situation the term Caveat Emptor must apply. I know that it stings when you find something isn't what you expected.. I recently bought a donor bike for a project that turned out to be a load of useless junk.. Even paid for it to be shipped from Scotland. I have no recourse on the seller..
I'd like to believe that Fourlo didn't know anything was wrong, you don't tend to ride out on bikes that you know are not 100% Toonraider, if you are seriously unhappy, there are channels for adults to use to deal with this stuff, threats are not ok. I'd like to think that as a forum member, you've been misunderstood as well..
Hope that you guys sort it out..
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Post by dbgr on Jan 19, 2018 15:57:10 GMT 1
Well said reggieperrin
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Post by jon on Jan 19, 2018 20:44:41 GMT 1
I don’t want to take either side, and believe me both can honestly believe they are aggrieved.
However, isn’t there a third party involved here who built the engine?
Surely they should have their say too.
Jon
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Post by doohanno1 on Jan 21, 2018 0:27:20 GMT 1
OH and it blew up whilst i was laid up after a spine fusion with my missus riding it luckily she wasn't going too fast when it seized 80kph maybe so she wasn't thrown off Jeez, fair play to her for still keeping it under control.!!
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Post by doohanno1 on Jan 21, 2018 0:42:37 GMT 1
I went to look at a F2 last year and the seller said he had receipts for an engine rebuild.. " Great I thought". The receipts were eight years old.!!!
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Post by doohanno1 on Jan 21, 2018 0:55:30 GMT 1
Many moons ago I sold an lc to a guy and told him that the only issue {that I knew} that the bike had was a slight weep of oil from the gear change shaft.. A month later his " big brother " rang me complaining about the leak. I politely told him to f$%k off..
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Post by Norbo on Jan 22, 2018 13:17:57 GMT 1
I sold an engine to lad about 20 years back i told him i have this engine its out of a bike i have not heard and it has no guarantee but its £100 i have this engine i have heard it running before i took it out the bike its £250 but its garenteed a good runner. He took the cheep one and a few days later his dad and his older brother came back with him banging on my door that the engin was noisy and id sold him a no good engine .
I explained the choice i gave him and that he went for the cheep one and the other one was now sold . he dad asked him about it as of course he didn't tell them that part and his dad said well its on your head thats not wheat you told me and they left .
The fact is in this case of the bike . the seller would not have known about the casings etc may be got the .25 and .75 mixed up . and i dont know if he did the engine him self or paid some to do it . but its unlikely he would have sold a bike that he new was no good to a forum member. And as we all know once its sold its sold unless gorse misrepresentation but on internal engine parts you never know . I think if i was unhappy i would have asked foer a part refund . although it has to be said once its sold its sold no warranty or guarantee so frankly its up to seller oif they feel they want to do anything .
Again i got a bike sereral years ago and was told it had a full engine rebuild and was mint even though the bike looked like crap turned out when i got it running it sounded like a bag of spanners took the barrels of and the pistons covered in carbon scraps on the barrels and crank bearing gone piece of crap . i still kept it just broke iy had no option sold as seen .
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Post by icarus001 on Feb 2, 2018 4:54:24 GMT 1
A few years ago I sold a race bike that had recently been rebuilt, on my kids lives I thought it was spot on, I'd spent a fortune on it over two seasons and it had everything it needed regardless of cost. Long story short is the lad called me up a couple of weeks later and said the engine had let go after only a couple of races - he was actually ok about it but I felt awful, I honestly had absolutely no idea. I put him in touch with the bloke that rebuilt the engine (well known professional engine builder) and they had it stripped and an investigation done, it turned out it was a rod failure than came out through the front of the engine, no explanation other than bad luck really.
He never asked me for any money and to be fair I wouldn't have given him any, it was nothing more than bad luck, I'd sold it in good faith and that's the chance you take with buying secondhand bikes.
Having said that, if I found an obvious bodge and it was clear that the seller had been dishonest then I'd be upset. When I used to race motocross my mate bought a bike that had been bodged really badly and we found out that the seller had lied and ripped him off, it was an older transplanted engine and we found out the seller had thrown it in and punted it on knowing it was knackered but not saying anything - my mate asked for his money back, the seller got lippy and the end result was the seller lying on the floor with a thick ear - if you deliberately rip people off then you should accept that some people will be very unhappy about it and give you a thumping.
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Post by cbm on Feb 2, 2018 7:22:33 GMT 1
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Post by markhoopy on Feb 2, 2018 11:08:39 GMT 1
And no xmas card I guess.
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Post by jon on Feb 4, 2018 9:33:10 GMT 1
As I said earlier, if the main beef was the engine, the seller claimed the following in the original advert:
‘total rebuild by Dave Higgins’.
Jon
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Post by Paul Dawkins on Apr 12, 2018 18:25:15 GMT 1
Dave Higgins did not TOTALLY rebuild the engine, the owner at the time did and his name was David Fry, Dave just advised and helped him. I know the bike and the original seller that sold it to Fourlo. Its the one that had no engine number.....Just to note if Dave Higgins had built the engine it would be spot on....
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Post by iwantalc on Apr 13, 2018 19:11:07 GMT 1
Dave Higgins did not TOTALLY rebuild the engine, the owner at the time did and his name was David Fry, Dave just advised and helped him. I know the bike and the original seller that sold it to Fourlo. Its the one that had no engine number.....Just to note if Dave Higgins had built the engine it would be spot on.... I had the bike off fourlo with no engine number ..
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Apr 14, 2018 22:21:09 GMT 1
Dave Higgins did not TOTALLY rebuild the engine, the owner at the time did and his name was David Fry, Dave just advised and helped him. I know the bike and the original seller that sold it to Fourlo. Its the one that had no engine number.....Just to note if Dave Higgins had built the engine it would be spot on.... strange did he sell two bikes as mine has DAVID fry on as last owner and engine was f***ed.as Stan Stephens bill was to repair oval crank cases and it has engine number ?
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Post by Paul Dawkins on Apr 16, 2018 17:44:21 GMT 1
Dave Higgins did not TOTALLY rebuild the engine, the owner at the time did and his name was David Fry, Dave just advised and helped him. I know the bike and the original seller that sold it to Fourlo. Its the one that had no engine number.....Just to note if Dave Higgins had built the engine it would be spot on.... strange did he sell two bikes as mine has DAVID fry on as last owner and engine was f***ed.as Stan Stephens bill was to repair oval crank cases and it has engine number ? Yes mate David Fry had two bikes and sold them both to Fourlo as unfinished projects. Fry wanted someone to finish them but myself or Dave Higgins did not want to get involved. Dave Higgins helped him out a bit but he did not build the engines, if he did they would of been spot on. Same as buying anything the seller will say whatever to sell it, Fourlo would not of known the state of the engine and probably just took Frys word for them being good.
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Post by Bertie Wooster on Apr 16, 2018 20:42:50 GMT 1
strange did he sell two bikes as mine has DAVID fry on as last owner and engine was f***ed.as Stan Stephens bill was to repair oval crank cases and it has engine number ? Yes mate David Fry had two bikes and sold them both to Fourlo as unfinished projects. Fry wanted someone to finish them but myself or Dave Higgins did not want to get involved. Dave Higgins helped him out a bit but he did not build the engines, if he did they would of been spot on. Same as buying anything the seller will say whatever to sell it, Fourlo would not of known the state of the engine and probably just took Frys word for them being good. ok thanks for the info on the bike but still leaves me £1200 out of pocket in the end
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