|
Post by 29davyt on Nov 20, 2020 21:59:00 GMT 1
I’ve sold loads of stuff on eBay, if I put “ make an offer “ on an item I’m selling I would expect it to be above the Start price of the auction, not below . Would think most people would do the same .??
|
|
|
Post by Chewie01 on Nov 20, 2020 22:42:48 GMT 1
I've made lower reasonable offers on items with zero bids just before the auction ends. You never know your luck and if you don't ask you don't get.
|
|
|
Post by 29davyt on Nov 20, 2020 22:53:57 GMT 1
Sorry but you’d get a rejection from me every time , perhaps others would accept your offer but I suppose all depends on if the start price was realistic in the first place
|
|
|
Post by tony2stroke on Nov 20, 2020 23:13:07 GMT 1
I've made lower reasonable offers on items with zero bids just before the auction ends. You never know your luck and if you don't ask you don't get. Me too.
|
|
|
Post by JonW on Nov 20, 2020 23:25:06 GMT 1
It is open to offers and no one has to buy it, I can't see the point in whining about the price of anything. I would like a Lamborghini Diablo but I'm not in the position to own but I don't go on Lamborghini groups having a moan about the price of parts and how they have gone up in value in the last ten years. This is quite different. If the lambo is at market price and wasnt an anomaly then no one would bat an eyelid and it wouldnt appear in this thread, plenty of us spend a lot on things in this hobby, we try not to waste each others coin tho. So... Expensive parts are fine, so long as thats around the market rate. Sadly we see jokers asking say five times the price of a new one for a used part and we try to keep eachother away from those deals is all, hence this thread.
|
|
|
Post by JonW on Nov 20, 2020 23:26:19 GMT 1
I’ve sold loads of stuff on eBay, if I put “ make an offer “ on an item I’m selling I would expect it to be above the Start price of the auction, not below . Would think most people would do the same .?? Haha, I always offer below. I figure thats what you mean when you say a price and you want me to counter with a different price. Bartering upwards seems foolish as a buyer, am I not just bidding against myself?
|
|
|
Post by tacky1 on Nov 21, 2020 2:22:58 GMT 1
It is open to offers and no one has to buy it, I can't see the point in whining about the price of anything. I would like a Lamborghini Diablo but I'm not in the position to own but I don't go on Lamborghini groups having a moan about the price of parts and how they have gone up in value in the last ten years. This is quite different. If the lambo is at market price and wasnt an anomaly then no one would bat an eyelid and it wouldnt appear in this thread, plenty of us spend a lot on things in this hobby, we try not to waste each others coin tho. So... Expensive parts are fine, so long as thats around the market rate. Sadly we see jokers asking say five times the price of a new one for a used part and we try to keep eachother away from those deals is all, hence this thread. Me three... No harm in throwing an offer at the seller, Whats the worse that can happen
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2020 2:23:07 GMT 1
I’ve sold loads of stuff on eBay, if I put “ make an offer “ on an item I’m selling I would expect it to be above the Start price of the auction, not below . Would think most people would do the same .?? Haha, I always offer below. I figure thats what you mean when you say a price and you want me to counter with a different price. Bartering upwards seems foolish as a buyer, am I not just bidding against myself? Exactly right... I've picked up heaps of stuff for my DT project making lower offers. Some you win... some you lose.
|
|
|
Post by 29davyt on Nov 21, 2020 10:01:19 GMT 1
I’ve sold loads of stuff on eBay, if I put “ make an offer “ on an item I’m selling I would expect it to be above the Start price of the auction, not below . Would think most people would do the same .?? Haha, I always offer below. I figure thats what you mean when you say a price and you want me to counter with a different price. Bartering upwards seems foolish as a buyer, am I not just bidding against myself? If I’d put something on with a Buy it now price and also selected accept offers then yes your quiet right to make a counter lower offer, if an item has been listed as an auction it generally has a low start price to attract buyers, bidding below this while not doing any harm would I imagine result in the seller declining such an offer ! suppose it depends what it is and if there’s been any interest in it, I don’t generally sell shit and I know what I’m selling rough value, therefore any stupid offers would be declined ,, Simples !!!
|
|
|
Post by 29davyt on Nov 21, 2020 10:08:20 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by JonW on Nov 21, 2020 12:47:42 GMT 1
Its an ebay weirdness I reckon. It should say 'Offers invited over the start price' or something. Thats what you do when you sell a house, ie 'offers invited over £200k' etc. You only ever see that on houses tho, not RD500s or used spare parts or house hold junk etc, or do you now in the UK?
I guess once a bid goes on then the offers thing is removed?
|
|
|
Post by stumpy on Nov 21, 2020 13:10:20 GMT 1
I’ve sold loads of stuff on eBay, if I put “ make an offer “ on an item I’m selling I would expect it to be above the Start price of the auction, not below . Would think most people would do the same .?? Haha, I always offer below. I figure thats what you mean when you say a price and you want me to counter with a different price. Bartering upwards seems foolish as a buyer, am I not just bidding against myself? I offer below as well, why put something for sale with no price, ive never got that, youll offer and they say not enough, so why not just put a price and save everybodys time
|
|
|
Post by 29davyt on Nov 21, 2020 15:55:57 GMT 1
Haha, I always offer below. I figure thats what you mean when you say a price and you want me to counter with a different price. Bartering upwards seems foolish as a buyer, am I not just bidding against myself? I offer below as well, why put something for sale with no price, ive never got that, youll offer and they say not enough, so why not just put a price and save everybodys time I get what your saying stumpy but eBay wouldn’t be much of an Auction site if everything on there only had a buy it now / make me an offer type listing,, I hate bidding on stuff I’d rather it be priced up and then I can decide if I want to buy it or not, none of this waiting 6 days crap to see if I’ve won it / or not 🥴
|
|
|
Post by stumpy on Nov 21, 2020 16:05:53 GMT 1
Just put the highest price youre willing to pay then forget about it, if you win you win, if not move on
|
|
|
Post by jon on Dec 4, 2020 19:08:51 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by archloafer on Dec 4, 2020 20:38:03 GMT 1
Considering the merit of (and how it might be achievable) to create sh*t list of rip-off merchants and make it publicly available to anyone searching for parts.
|
|
|
Post by archloafer on Dec 4, 2020 20:39:30 GMT 1
frobol5459 - selling some stuff on ebay at the moment. Known to this forum?
|
|
|
Post by 29davyt on Dec 5, 2020 10:59:54 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by archloafer on Dec 5, 2020 11:22:14 GMT 1
Bloody hell! £526 - odd figure to settle on, as well as being obviously outrageous!? Who would pay that?? I don't get it tbh.
|
|
|
Post by LC_BOTT on Dec 5, 2020 13:10:34 GMT 1
I get what your saying stumpy but eBay wouldn’t be much of an Auction site if everything on there only had a buy it now / make me an offer type listing, 🥴 I don't really see Ebay as an auction site much anymore. ie 25,000 RD/Lc items, but only 200 listed as an auction?? Nearly posted the seat listing too, nearly fell off my chair when I saw it earlier
|
|
|
Post by 29davyt on Dec 5, 2020 14:16:04 GMT 1
Thanks for the free ad Jon why folks moan about the price of items that they don't need or want beggar's belief. Anywho I have just seen a high priced Lamborghini on Ebay so I am off to join a forum to whinge about the price, not looking for one by the way but it just seems the right thing to do It’s what the posts about if you read it ! We all own LC’s and are shocked by some of the prices folks are asking for some of the parts , and yes one day we might need one of those parts . No you don’t own a Lambo so why would you even look at how much one is or how much the parts are?, if all this offends you please don’t participate and enjoy life with your chums on the Lambo forum..🙈
|
|
|
Post by veg on Dec 5, 2020 14:40:36 GMT 1
You tend to find that the majority on this site help each other out sell stuff at fair prices or even give stuff away, we may not all agree we may take the mickey and occasionally get a little heated but we are first and foremost enthusiasts of the bikes, the vast majority on here also own one of the bikes, not that ownership is a pre requisite. Comments have been made over years about the price rises of both bikes and parts and some seemingly being led by pure chancers getting in on the game. Lots on here have a long association with the bikes and do still reminisce about the times we could pick bits up far cheaper as their wasn't the intrinsic value that there is today. It still comes as a shock that people sometimes pluck values out of the air which can lead to a false sense of value and consequently price rises. This makes our hobby become more and more expensive all for the benefit of the few. Now i know you have only recently joined the forum and you joined due to hearing 'Old women moaning about your prices' on this forum. That appears to be a strange reason in and of itself to join, however it is a free open forum accommodating everyone, but it does lead me to question your motives for joining. With regards to your statement this is nothing like joining a forum about stuff you don't own and then making comments about the prices, these are comments made about what some deem to be ridiculous prices all the more reinforced by the fact you've reduced the price. Feel free to attempt to justify your prices, but do not be surprised by the responses you get, and as said above this thread is about stupid prices on ebay, thanks for identifying yourself as one of the sellers and also a new member.
|
|
lc2
Weekend rider
Posts: 84
|
Post by lc2 on Dec 5, 2020 15:27:58 GMT 1
Hi Veg I still don't understand the thought process where individuals complain about prices of products they don't wish to purchase and more often than not I will accept an offer or sell outside of Ebay, either way there is always a happy medium to be met. Also worth a thought as whilst posting comments in this thread you are more often than not the individuals they are directed at are forum members. We may have to agree to disagree.
|
|
|
Post by tony2stroke on Dec 5, 2020 19:16:49 GMT 1
Its all very simple really, supply and demand, when supply is less than the demand the prices rise, equally when demand drops so do the prices, its really that simple, also there is condition to be taken into account, a shoddy something isn't worth the same as a good something.
|
|
|
Post by guiri on Dec 5, 2020 19:56:08 GMT 1
I am in the bike breaking business,its my secondary line of work.I use it in part to pay for my racing hobby(rd`s) i break anything,new or old. I also restore 2 strokes,Yamahas being my specialty,Last year i picked up an RD350lc 4l0 to restore but when i got it home the frame was badly bent and some of the difficult to find stuff was missing so i broke it for spares. I watch market tendencies on ebay and forums to price my stuff,so I put the complete horn set up on here first for 150 quid which is the lowest that something similar had sold for at the time. There was no interest in the horns so i put them on ebay at a 150 start price and astoundingly they sold for 400 quid. I would have been happy with the 150... As i said I do sell parts to make money but I also try and be fair to members on forums as stated above on the thread we are enthusiasts..sadly anything thing with rd or 2 stroke written on it has gone through the roof. Im currently restoring a rd250d which would have been far easier to break but i just love rds and prefer to save them when i can. Ive got another 8 different rds to restore which if i broke them would make me a shed load of money..but you cant ride money..lol.
|
|
|
Post by archloafer on Dec 5, 2020 22:09:04 GMT 1
Its all very simple really, supply and demand, when supply is less than the demand the prices rise, equally when demand drops so do the prices, its really that simple, also there is condition to be taken into account, a shoddy something isn't worth the same as a good something. Yeah, market theory in operation. Old bikes with a diminishing stock of parts, prices will inevitably increase over time. What mystifies me though is who actually pays silly money for items like the seat listed above. Seats in that condition surely aren't scarce enough to command those sort of sums? I would think that the large majority of people who undertake a resto are savvy enough not to over pay for stuff. I guess you just might get the odd rando who decides on a whim to restore a bike and pays the first price they see for any given item without doing any research. Not enough to tilt the market though. People who restore a lot of bikes for the love of it have an obvious interest in keeping prices fair by not paying too much. Restorers who are motivated primarily by profit also have the same interest - perhaps even more so - to maximise the gains from selling the completed bike. Perhaps there's some sort of racket whereby professional restorers do work for clueless punters, buy parts at inflated prices from sellers who they are in cahoots with and get a kickback from?
|
|
|
Post by jon on Dec 8, 2020 18:22:18 GMT 1
Hi Veg I still don't understand the thought process where individuals complain about prices of products they don't wish to purchase and more often than not I will accept an offer or sell outside of Ebay, either way there is always a happy medium to be met. Also worth a thought as whilst posting comments in this thread you are more often than not the individuals they are directed at are forum members. We may have to agree to disagree. I don’t expect you to understand why so many of us on here have a dislike of RD prices and parts. It’s not just for the sake of whinging. It also helps those without knowing what the true market value of parts is. We’re not all in the past expecting 1980 prices. However knowing what sells for what price is important. You get to know what price things are selling for here and now. That’s why we comment on those that are priced way above what sells. It’s chancing that one desperate person with money will have to stump up. That drives up prices artificially as everyone thinks they can charge that. As for me giving you some advertising, your cases have been discussed on here before. rdlccrazy.proboards.com/post/490165 for example, they are well known. You say more often than not you will accept an offer, it the eBay ad doesn’t say this. Yes it’s supply and demand as stated. However the demand bit isn’t as black and white. There may be a demand for an item, but if it’s known to be overpriced most people will wait for the item at the current market value. With that in mind you state you can’t understand why people comment on items they don’t wish to purchase. I for one would like to purchase a spare YPVS engine, or parts, as I no longer have one. When I get round to it and funds allow, I’ll probably ask Dejan, or pick bits up as I go for current market value. I find the eBay auctions recently sold listings a good guide, as well as on here. That’s the difference between an auction and a fixed price. It’s also been said with eBay that if you don’t want an item because you think it’s overpriced, then why comment on here. What I don’t understand is why people who obviously know what this thread is about comment on why we are doing it. Isn’t that the same sort of thing? I don’t wish to offend, and your well within your rights to ask any price you want. However I do question whether they will ever sell? We’ll see. The price reduction may tempt someone at some point? Jon
|
|
|
Post by midlifecrisisrd on Dec 8, 2020 21:28:31 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by 29davyt on Dec 8, 2020 21:45:45 GMT 1
Looks to be 6 people out there that seem to think it’s the real deal Steve !!! Hope it is 🙈
|
|
|
Post by veg on Dec 8, 2020 22:00:17 GMT 1
Get to f**k Real world calling for Mr Kelly, come on alan time for another run. I have one in carbon so as it’s lighter does that mean it’s worth twice the price.
|
|