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Post by dusty350 on Oct 1, 2014 7:30:57 GMT 1
Hi Looking to put a better aftermarket shock on the F2 hybrid. Love the idea of a Nitron - I know they are highly regarded, but nearly £400.00. I know Hagon are ok for £100 less than the Nitron, but any thoughts regarding the YSS range of shocks ? £250.00 for that one. I know you get what you pay for but it's a big difference cost wise. Just wondered if anyone had tried one on their bike ? Cheers Dusty ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by JonW on Oct 1, 2014 7:58:36 GMT 1
I have YSS on my XT500, really nice kit, but its not a Nitron. LOL
What about WP?
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Post by Roberto on Oct 1, 2014 13:46:43 GMT 1
I bought a Nitron for mine last winter and it's even better than I hoped it would be. If you've got the money its worth another £100.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2014 14:47:12 GMT 1
hagon are an emulsified shock, so need to get working before they work at there best, I have a nitron, have had it 2 years, no regrets
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 14, 2014 20:24:12 GMT 1
Well, after a lot of thought and comparison of different shocks, I ordered a Yss shock from Wemoto today. I spoke to 3 different suppliers that do both YSS and Nitron, and all said that the YSS was very good for the money. It's nearly £150.00 cheaper than the Nitron, has a 2 year guarantee and is adjustable for length like the Nitron too. The suppliers I spoke too said the quality was very good and considering the sort of miles I do - not many - the YSS would be more than good enough. It should arrive Thursday so I'll let you know what I think once fitted. Regards Dusty
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Post by JonW on Oct 14, 2014 22:31:06 GMT 1
Thanks Dusty, Im keen to hear more as I need a couple of shocks for my bikes ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 15, 2014 7:39:50 GMT 1
Hi Jon, I really liked the Nitron, but funds are getting tight as I need a respray on the bike, and the £150 difference is a lot of cash to me ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) I spoke to the guy at Brook suspension, and he said if it was his money he would go with YSS. Factor in I don't ride the bike more than a few hundred miles a year, and never carry a pillion, and it was a no brainer for value. He said build quality was better than Hagon and the 2 year guarantee was on a par with Nitron, plus it's rebuildable. The clincher was it's length adjustable on the Z range which is important to me too. I'll stick some pics up when it arrives. Regards Dusty ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by jessy03 on Oct 15, 2014 8:29:31 GMT 1
You won't be disappointed I've got one on my 485 hybrid, works well and looks a quality shock. Jess
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 16, 2014 19:36:16 GMT 1
Hi Jess, Glad you are pleased with yours. Good to know. Mine arrived today. Gotta say, so far, I am really pleased with it. The quality of the build looks really, really good. The Body is made from an alloy, and you can lengthen the shock by up to 10mm, from 295 standard to 305mm. Rebound damping is by the rubber wheel - up to 60 clicks, and it comes ready to bolt on. 2 year guarantee and fully rebuildable. May get to bolt it on at the weekend, hopefully. So far - seems excellent value for money; ![](http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o85/dusty039/Ypvs%20tzr%20project/DSCN3590_zpsf6170830.jpg) Dusty ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by farmboy on Oct 16, 2014 20:29:02 GMT 1
I am in the market for a new shock for my 4lo 350lc , I was planning to go to Stafford show this weekend and see if I can get a good offer on a Hagon from the stand there. But I have just taken a look at the YSS for the 4lo lc , looks to have a good right up and spec. Again Wemoto want £249 , that £50 less than a Hagon.
I am a little like you prob do around 1000 miles a year, never carry a pillion . I'll think about it before I spend my cash.
Alex.
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Post by wallcraft on Oct 16, 2014 21:36:06 GMT 1
I very impressed with that Dusty looks top draw to me, I've been mulling these shocks over for a while. Adjustable length and rebound damping sell it for me, I know the Nitron has these features but for that price!! I'm sold. Did you have give them your weight ?
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 16, 2014 22:13:02 GMT 1
Hi, You just buy the specific shock for your bike and when fitted, you tweak it to suit you. I know Nitron ask lots of details so they pre set the shock to suit you, but £150 buys a lot of parts I still need, or goes towards the paint job. The fella I spoke to at Brook suspension really rates these - he could have tried to sell me the Nitron, but said this was the best value for me and a 26 year old powervalve !! I don't race around on it, the roads are too crap for fast riding on anyway, and the quality is great anyway. Don't get me wrong, the Nitron is the business, and if the shock was the only thing I needed to buy I may have gone for it, but this is the best compromise. He rated this over the Hagon, which is £50.00 more. I wont truly know how good it is until it's on the road - next year - but it's the cheapest good aftermarket shock I found. Regards Dusty ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by JonW on Oct 16, 2014 23:07:25 GMT 1
Did you investigate WP at all Dusty?
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 7:45:13 GMT 1
Hi Jon, No, not really. I did a search but couldn't find a listing for the Ypvs. I didn't dig too far as I felt that it was between Nitron, YSS and Hagon, due to suppliers, ease of getting it rebuilt and value. I think YSS are really trying hard to compete with the well known shock manufacturers on quality and the price seems very good for the quality of the shock. Time will tell !
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Dusty
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Post by JonW on Oct 17, 2014 8:39:07 GMT 1
I have heard that WP shocks do have rebuild issues, certainly the older ones where people have been told to buy a new one, which is unacceptable imho.
Pleased your YSS experience has been good, they are lovely units I got for my XT500 and Im defo considering one each for my LC and YPVS now.
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 11:39:08 GMT 1
Right, need to back up a bit here. The bottom shock eye looked a bit small to me, but I didn't start thinking about it properly till I got into bed ! Back out of bed, computer on, microfiches scanned between all models of Ypvs, part numbers all the same - I sort of knew they would be ![:|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/plain.png) The bottom shock eye will take the bolt- approx. 14mm, but not the sleeve that goes through the suspension knuckle and shock eye of a standard Ypvs shock ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Been onto Wemoto, they say they have never had any returned or know of any issues. They want pics of everything which means I have to strip it all and then put the old shock back on for the time being. Going to email Wemoto with the fiche page and go from there. I'll keep you posted. Dusty
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Post by JonW on Oct 17, 2014 12:05:29 GMT 1
Ahh... now that is annoying. Let us know how you go Dusty.
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 12:34:15 GMT 1
Will do. Have sent Wemoto a pic of the microfiche regarding the suspensiom set up. They in turn are dealing with YSS as they don't have a Uk phone number that they advertise. The only way this will fit is if the bottom shock eye was reemed out to take the collar that passes through the relay arm on a Ypvs, or if you cut the collar down so it just sat in each side of the relay arm; ![](http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o85/dusty039/Ypvs%20tzr%20project/DSCN3592_zps28995406.jpg) Cutting the collar looks like the only option unless Wemoto come up with something, but they say they have never heard of the issue before ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Dusty
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 14:23:52 GMT 1
More issues now I've started seriously looking at it ![>:(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/angry.png) . The bottom shock eye width is 30mm. A Ypvs is 40mm, so the YSS will not "fill" the gap in the relay arm. Doesn't seem right to me. The top shock eye is 12mm internal. The bolt that goes through the frame mount is 10mm. Definetely not right ![>:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/superangry.png) . The only thing correct at the moment is the length of the shock at 295mm, but it seems to have the wrong top and bottom eyes fitted. All codes on the shock and the box it came in match the Ypvs, so now I'm really confused. Waiting for Wemoto to ring me back now. Dusty
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 17:31:14 GMT 1
Bad news. Wemoto have spoken to Yss, and apparently, the listing for the shock is wrong ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Even though they list the varients on their website, even though it says Ypvs on the box, Yss don't make a shock for any model of powervalve ! Wemoto are very sorry, and will get the shock collected next week, but they cant offer a YSS for a Ypvs of any year or model !! I asked how sellers on ebay were listing the shocks for the Ypvs ? Same product code and everything. Apparently they will all be wrong. Really pi**ed off as it is a nice shock for the money but it wont fit and never will. Looks like I will have to spend money I didn't want on a Nitron. The respray has just got further away ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) So don't buy a Yss for your powervalve coz it wont fit ! Dusty
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Post by marsbar350 on Oct 17, 2014 17:43:01 GMT 1
bad luck there dusty ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png) so what fitment is the shock for ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) an LC ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/nerd.png) you can get a nitron for less the £350 so only a £100 more ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 17:48:23 GMT 1
No not an lc shock they are 315mm long plus jessy has one on his lc hybrid. Havent found a nitron sport shock for less than 397.00 Dusty
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Post by jessy03 on Oct 17, 2014 17:53:50 GMT 1
Mine fitted perfect, from memory the Ypvs shock is a smaller unit, that's a bugger back to the drawing board. Jess
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 18:19:45 GMT 1
No not an lc shock they are 315mm long plus jessy has one on his lc hybrid. Havent found a nitron sport shock for less than 397.00 Dusty
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Post by marsbar350 on Oct 17, 2014 18:23:44 GMT 1
did they tell you what it does fit ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 17, 2014 19:10:51 GMT 1
No as the listing says ypvs, everyone thinks thats what it will fit.
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Post by JonW on Oct 17, 2014 22:05:01 GMT 1
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Post by marddy on Oct 18, 2014 4:41:00 GMT 1
I almost fell into the same pit, Dusty. Was ordering for a YSS when I saw your post and sudden braked my decision.
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Post by dusty350 on Oct 18, 2014 9:45:55 GMT 1
Hi, Thanks for the link Jon. There is no doubt the Nitron is a quality bit of kit, and I would be really happy to have one on my bike, just didn't want to spend that much, purely from the fact that the money I got from selling the Yamasaki is what's fuelling this project, and once it's gone it's gone. The Yss is fantastic value for money, nothing else I've looked at for £250.00 is as good. It's a real shame that they don't make it for the Ypvs, especially as they do a shock for the Lc which was a much shorter model run. The website lists the Ypvs variants along with all other bikes they cover, so it's a massive c*ck up on their part. Cant understand why it hasn't been highlighted before - I cant be the first person to buy a Yss for a powervalve ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png) Thanks Marsbar350 for the link too. I have looked at Wilbers on german ebay, they are more expensive in the Uk obviously. I will give them some thought. Just depends on the spec vs cost. Spose there is no rush really. Thanks again Dusty
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Post by nikfubar on Oct 18, 2014 12:16:56 GMT 1
Just a thought, instead of spending big money on a Nitron how about fitting one of say an R6, I'm sure this has been done many times with only a slight modification to the top mount on the frame & a bit of messing about with the bottom bushing. There are usually a few near mint ones on the bay dirt cheap as race schools change them out for better units but they are really nice fully adjustable shocks, & fitted one to my second hybrid.
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