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Post by captaincaveman on Apr 27, 2014 10:24:08 GMT 1
Lets just say for arguments sake a 350lc.
Why are they worth so much more than a non matching bike?
Just been looking through sold items on the bay, A mint one sold for £4500 and there was one that was sat in a shed for the last 15 years and still made £3500
Yet you can a non match good nick 350lc for as little as under £2500.
Just wondering why.
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Post by looey on Apr 27, 2014 10:49:37 GMT 1
Rightly or wrongly, it's the way it is I'm afraid. It's not just Yamaha's, it's the same throughout the classic bike scene  Mainly due to the fact that these are classic bikes now and the more originality the better, especially for the purists. If it doesn't matter to you and you're not after a show pony, then the £2,500 non-matching numbers bike is by far the best option. History will show you that the matching number bikes will always be worth more and the better investment long-term. I'm not bothered either way, I have a mint matching numbers 350 but also a non-matching numbers bike that I ride the majority of the time. |
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Post by kostas on Apr 27, 2014 12:48:38 GMT 1
I have a matching numbers valve and start to believe that all this is BS.
I have replaced almost any bit on this bike but it is ok as there are no serial numbers on all those parts, so suddenly if I replace the engine case it stops being the same bike that rolled out of the factory...
Dose not make much sense, does it?
Kostas
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Post by shane250 on Apr 27, 2014 13:01:32 GMT 1
Its the same with the import thing despite them all coming from the same factory which does doesnt make sense as more often than not the imports generally suffer with much less corrosion than their uk counterparts.
Theres pros and cons to both the number thing or imports and like most things its down to owner preferance.What is certain though is matching number bikes are not better or faster than non matching and the only time it will ever matter is at the point of sale.
In all the years ive had in classic bikes not a single person has ever come up and checked my numbers match before telling me how nice the bikes looked.
Maybe its just a form of snobbery,who knows.......
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Post by Roofmonster on Apr 27, 2014 13:15:46 GMT 1
It doesn't make sense at all but I think it's something we may have inherited from our American classic car loving cousins where a matching numbers classic car is much more valuable. It's an odd thing as they make such a big thing of having the original engine and transmission and then they put hideous aftermarket chromed wheels , upgrade the brakes, change the carburettor ect.
Many of the smaller British bikes had engines built by other manufacturers (Villiers,AMC ect) and the numbers never matched so it makes no difference to the value if you change the engine.
Saying that of course I do have a matching numbers 350LC - but mostly by accident as I bought it 17 years ago for £400 when such things as matching numbers and green passivation parts had little bearing on value.
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Post by looey on Apr 27, 2014 15:13:21 GMT 1
It certainly is BS to a certain degree. When you're riding them it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference.
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Post by Roofmonster on Apr 27, 2014 15:38:20 GMT 1
It certainly is BS to a certain degree. When you're riding them it doesn't make the slightest bit of difference. I fully agree Looey - we all know it's the colour that determines how fast they go  |
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Post by copper99 on Apr 27, 2014 16:17:16 GMT 1
Knowing what I know now, if I was looking for an LC tomorrow, id be interested in the following, is it genuine Vs the logbook and advert, has it had a recent engine build, does it start, stop, handle as it should and doenst have a rusty/leaking petrol tank...all these things can cost serious money to put right..the number thing would be waaaay down the list.
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Post by bare on Apr 27, 2014 17:59:05 GMT 1
The entire Originality thing, of which Matching numbers is only one part has absolutely 'everything' to do with Selling on Price.
If not looking to profit, it absolutely is nonsense. Riders don't care, 'investors' do.
That said few would buy a Machine that's been so modified that it it's markedly/visually different from what it used to look like.
Heavily modded equipment is typically devalued by the costs of returning it to stock condition.
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Post by looey on Apr 28, 2014 8:11:21 GMT 1
Yep that is also true Mr Bare, The only exception is very tastefully modified Hybrids/Specials that can also fetch strong money. One has just finished on eBay recently at £4,5k with rusty exhausts and looking like it needed a little tlc to get back to 100% !. I'm not a purist or that fussy about my bikes but if you can enjoy these fantastic machines and have an appreciating asset then that is a bonus  |
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Post by looey on Apr 28, 2014 10:29:05 GMT 1
The other thing to think about is what are you in it for ?. Our 2-strokes have been collected over many years, some are worth 6x what we paid for them without doing anything to them, but even if we knew values were just about to fall through the floor, we wouldn't sell a single one of them. We have them purely to ride and enjoy, that's it. But if you don't buy wise, i.e. pay matching numbers money for a non-matching numbers bike, or strong money for a basket case needing much work, then it will be a far less rewarding exercise financially |
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Post by shane250 on Apr 28, 2014 12:07:17 GMT 1
The only numbers i care about are them on the speedo and im still working on that  |
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Post by Roofmonster on Apr 28, 2014 12:17:46 GMT 1
I'm not selling mine, so I'm not bothered really - I just enjoy riding it!
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Post by captaincaveman on Apr 28, 2014 18:41:47 GMT 1
Matching or non matching either one, What you think the value of the 350lc will be in years to come?
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Post by nzgaz on Apr 29, 2014 8:28:34 GMT 1
My LC doesn't have matching frame and engine numbers but they seem to get on fine together.
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