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Post by JonW on Oct 31, 2011 5:54:02 GMT 1
Hi all,
Ive just been looking at how best to electrically connect my YPVS motor to my bike... Some things are simple and some things you just need the sage advice of those who have gone before you and this is one of those times LOL!
So... I am running the Athena cyls on my YPVS bottom end, so no PV controller or PV motor to mess with, In fact I only need to make one set of connections... from the stator to my brand new LC loom. Easy... or so id thought...
I have two YPVS stators i can use... 83 and 85, both work with my 29L-50 rotor and since my engine is a 1GA (Aussie 250 version of a 57V), it would originally have run the 85, so i started with that...
- The D shaped block fits fine to the LC loom perfectly, the 3 white and 1 blue wire all line up fine. - The Triangle block CDI connector on the LC is looking for a Red, black and brown... I have a black and a brown from the stator as loose cables, but no red. - There is a green wire from the stator that has no home in the LC loom - There is a red/white from the stator on its own, is that the 'red' I need for the CDI? - what do i do with the small flat connector that has white/green and white/red wires? should i be using the white/red into the white / red on the cdi? or do i just ignore these as they are a PV thing? - I assume one of the stator sires drives the tacho somehow as that is leccy on the 85...
Alternatively.... If i use an 83 stator I seems to have a slightly easier time as i have less wires, its more like the old LC i guess... no leccy tacho for a start... but... still have a green that goes no where and also the white/green on the flat plug has no home...
Can i continue to use these stators just by changing some colours around? or am i dreaming?
....in fact has anyone ever used a YPVS stator with an LC loom? Or.... Should I use (is it even possible to?) use the stator and rotor off the LC? It all looks like it should fit the cases and the crank fine... which is expected, the YPVS came from the LC after all...
(FWIW, The reason i am running the LC CDI on a tuned motor is that i have a pigguback (VCDI- 04) Zeeltronic setup for the LC so i hoped to just add in the new stator to the mix and drive it from there)
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 31, 2011 9:36:08 GMT 1
If you are using an Lc loom then I would think it would be simplest to use the lc stator and rotor.
YPVS elec tacho comes from the cdi not the stator so that's not the extra wire.
Steve
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Post by nikfubar on Oct 31, 2011 10:43:07 GMT 1
Hi Jon If you can post up a LC wiring diagram I can work it out for you, also how is the zeel wired to the system. The plug with the W/R & W/G is the ignition trigger coil. The red, green & brown wires are your source coils which power the cdi. The black wire is an earth. The three whites go to the reg/rectifier & the blue is neutral switch wire.
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Post by JonW on Oct 31, 2011 10:52:07 GMT 1
Steve, the more i think about it the more i agree, it is simpler... but... ultimately i would rather use the YPVS stator as when i eventually run R1 clocks i will need a tacho feed, plus i have a few YPVS stators that test as good, and only one LC.. hmm...
Nick... I can indeed post those up for you... Thanks in advance for your help mate! its hugely appreciated!
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Post by JonW on Oct 31, 2011 11:00:17 GMT 1
Hi Jon If you can post up a LC wiring diagram I can work it out for you, also how is the zeel wired to the system. The plug with the W/R & W/G is the ignition trigger coil. The red, green & brown wires are your source coils which power the cdi. The black wire is an earth. The three whites go to the reg/rectifier & the blue is neutral switch wire. Nick, Cheers for the info... Here are the wiring diagrams that i have, the LC one is colourful but perhaps not as useful as the normal Haynes? hmm... As you can see the VCDI-04 is really simple to add into the wiring as it piggybacks the LC's CDI, so should be really simple to work out once we know what wire needs to connect to what where it joins the LC loom. So from what youve said: - The plug with the W/R & W/G is the ignition trigger coil. - Do i need to use both of these? is one per cyl?- The red, green & brown wires are your source coils which power the cdi. The black wire is an earth. - Do you think I can just swap red for the green that i have and be fine since i am 'red-less'? I ask that as on this thread: www.rzrd500.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6345&highlight=29l50 it suggests that if you want to use some early units with later CDIs that you must swap the red for green etc.- The three whites go to the reg/rectifier & the blue is neutral switch wire. - yep thats the one connector that seems happy in the swap.
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Post by nikfubar on Oct 31, 2011 14:14:05 GMT 1
Looking at your wiring diagram it seems the LC cdi & YPVS stator are incompatable as the LC cdi only uses one coil trigger wire & one wire to power it I could be completely wrong though. Have you not got a YPVS cdi, this will also help with the R1 clocks as they have the electronic tacco output, also you dont have to run the PV controller with the YPVS cdi, the only connection between the two is the tacco output wire. Sorry I can't be of more help but I've never played with LC wiring
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Oct 31, 2011 17:59:54 GMT 1
Steve, the more i think about it the more i agree, it is simpler... but... ultimately i would rather use the YPVS stator as when i eventually run R1 clocks i will need a tacho feed, plus i have a few YPVS stators that test as good, and only one LC.. hmm... The tacho signal from a ypvs cdi probably won't work. Found this out when building some hybrid clocks. Most 4 strokes use a pulse from the coil. I tried an fzr tacho on a ypvs and it won't work but if you trigger it from the coil input it does. I have a zeel cdi and it has the ypvs/ tacho trigger for the standard bike and a seperate trigger if you want to use a conventional or digital tacho. Steve
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Post by nikfubar on Oct 31, 2011 22:41:32 GMT 1
Don't use the pulse from the coil to run an R1 tacho, it will fry it. I'm hoping the YPVS tacho feed will work as I don't have a zeel yet & I've also read if you feed it from the trigger coil it's very erratic
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Post by JonW on Oct 31, 2011 22:48:25 GMT 1
Looking at your wiring diagram it seems the LC cdi & YPVS stator are incompatable as the LC cdi only uses one coil trigger wire & one wire to power it I could be completely wrong though. Have you not got a YPVS cdi, this will also help with the R1 clocks as they have the electronic tacco output, also you dont have to run the PV controller with the YPVS cdi, the only connection between the two is the tacco output wire. Sorry I can't be of more help but I've never played with LC wiring Cheers for looking for me Nick, sounds about right of course and what i was worried about. Although perhaps I could just use one of the trigger wires? The red/white does look like it might be the ticket? The LC CDI is expecting only one trigger and so long as it gets it it should be happy, just got to be sure its the right one of course. The 'spare' trigger doesnt need to go anywhere i suspect? Actually i looked again at the online version of the Zeel VCDI-04's manual and found it can also be used on the YPVS... oops. That will teach me not to read ahead, sigh.. sorry Nick. This is what they say: So it looks like the WG just goes to earth in this setup, which fixes that... but of course now i have nowhere for the green wire as the YPVS CDI has that input but the LC'd does not... I do have a YPVS CDI, but i was trying to reuse the LC electrics as I have just bought the VCDI-04... In fact i do have a PCDI-10V which is the PV version of the Zeel, but it seemed silly to use it on this bike when I didnt need the PV setup, and i have another project that needs a PV setup... Maybe my best option is to use the LC stator and rotor?
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Post by JonW on Oct 31, 2011 22:50:13 GMT 1
Steve, the more i think about it the more i agree, it is simpler... but... ultimately i would rather use the YPVS stator as when i eventually run R1 clocks i will need a tacho feed, plus i have a few YPVS stators that test as good, and only one LC.. hmm... The tacho signal from a ypvs cdi probably won't work. Found this out when building some hybrid clocks. Most 4 strokes use a pulse from the coil. I tried an fzr tacho on a ypvs and it won't work but if you trigger it from the coil input it does. I have a zeel cdi and it has the ypvs/ tacho trigger for the standard bike and a seperate trigger if you want to use a conventional or digital tacho. Steve Don't use the pulse from the coil to run an R1 tacho, it will fry it. I'm hoping the YPVS tacho feed will work as I don't have a zeel yet & I've also read if you feed it from the trigger coil it's very erratic As I understand it from the online stuff and also the long thread on the rdrz forum, the YPVS CDI in 85-on form will run the R1 clocks just fine as the same output for teh OEM tacho can be used.
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