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Post by JonW on Dec 30, 2010 1:49:06 GMT 1
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Post by trev1340 on Dec 30, 2010 12:06:40 GMT 1
NK can do the conversion to your swinging arm so you do not have too hack the frame about the mill a bit of each side where the bearings go and weld some plates on the top so you can use the standard shock have a look at his site also very helpfull on the phone just search nk racing  |
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Post by JonW on Dec 30, 2010 12:09:11 GMT 1
Thanks Trev, but... my problem is that I am in Australia... well not a generic 'problem' as such LOL but defo one if i want to utilise the skills of Mr NK tho... post would be killer on getting frame and swingers done  |
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Post by trev1340 on Dec 30, 2010 12:10:40 GMT 1
Sorry mate didnot see you are not with us but across the otherside of the world but his site might be usefull he has lots of pics (hows the cricket ;D)
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Post by JonW on Dec 30, 2010 14:17:35 GMT 1
No worries, NK does great work as you say Er, no idea about cricket to be honest, never watch any sports, spend too much time in the garage LOL (I should also add, as many on here who know me know, that im a Pom really and not a pukka Aussie, tho not many are LOL!) |
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Post by JonW on Dec 30, 2010 14:24:58 GMT 1
Should add... if anyone is looking for me over the next week, Im on me hols... catch you on my return fellas! |
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Post by JonW on Mar 22, 2011 4:25:35 GMT 1
Jon If you have got a set of round risers the same as mine they are secured by an M12 allen bolt, this doesn't leave a lot of meat left on the ali lug after it's drilled out so I made up a pair of 2mm thick mild steel plates with M10 bars welded to them which were drilled to act as a washer for the riser bolt & also drilled to take the M6 bolt next to it. these then became my top mounts for the nose fairing/clocks.  Nik, I missed this post of yours... do you have another angle of that photo, Im not quiet getting the idea, sorry mate...  |
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Post by Norbo on Mar 22, 2011 7:12:22 GMT 1
Im not sure id trust the Taiwan made engin seals .
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Post by nikfubar on Mar 22, 2011 17:40:39 GMT 1
Hope this is a bit clearer, because when you drill out the rear 6mm threads to 12mm to put the riser bolts through there's not much meat left so I made a steel plate which picks the 12mm hole & the other 6mm hole to reinforce the mounting, I also welded the clock mounts to these reinforcing plates.  |
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Post by JonW on Mar 22, 2011 23:19:55 GMT 1
Ahha! Perfect! youre a bloomin star mate! More Karma for you my friend. Thanks Nik.
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Post by flames on Mar 24, 2011 9:13:13 GMT 1
lookin very good dude.now can you keep sharing your sunshine with us pleaseeeee.its sposed to get cold over here from the weekend,n i wana crack on!!!
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Post by JonW on Mar 25, 2011 13:51:38 GMT 1
My mum says it was 17 in the uk today.... its been 24 here.... not much different then... but i'll send you want sunshine i can |
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Post by JonW on Aug 7, 2011 8:20:28 GMT 1
This project moves forward again.... no pics, but I now have... Athena kit, TSS +4mm balanced crank with 11ball mains, fat belly pipes from Wicked Motorsport with toomey silencers and ive started to sort out my RGV wheels. The front has a slight crease which i need to take out, but ive already painted and polished the rear rim and it looks great. I spoke to NK and he did me a set of plates and so i will now need to locate a welder to attach those to my swingarm and then i can assemble the suspension so i can sort out the stand for height and also for fitting with the fat belly pipes, before the frame and the swinger hit the powder coaters... Stripped the swinger ready for the welding and also ordered a bunch of new bits n bobs from uncle Norbo and others like Tyga, TSS, Wicked, Yuniparts, ebay punters... and many others...!  Have started the engine rebuild by painting the top case and cleaning the bottom case. Have all new uprated TSS bearings to fit and a new banshee clutch kit. Will rebuild the oil pump with new seals and clean out the NRVs and whack it up to 11 so it puts out some oil... So we move forward... slowly but surely! |
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Post by JonW on Aug 25, 2011 1:27:56 GMT 1
I have moved slightly further forward again this week.... Mainly thanks to the great guys on the forums and also some good people locally too, Cheers All! Got a front axle for my RGV wheel and was able to build up the forks into the LC frame. Ok, I dont have the stem spacer yet, but the idea to do a dry build is always sound.... Also for this bike, I need to mock up of a couple of things that are non standard to this frame and for that the bike needs to be on its wheels. Those checks are: 1, Fit of the pipes - most of my center stand mounts are gone anyway, but I was considering that maybe i should remove the rest as I am running fat pipes from Wicked Motorsport so Im sure space will be an issue... 2, Fit of the side stand - I want to run a late model R1 stand, but its not a simple fit and I need to be sure the bracket is in the correct place and it doesnt hit the pipe. 3, Check fit of the swingarm when the welding is done... be silly not to! LOL! 4, Sort out where the hanger for the pipes goes... With fat pipes, different swinger and the YPVS bottom end with the Athena top end, and... 80s Raask rearsets I just knew it wasnt going to line up in any way from new, so I spec'd my pipe with no stinger or can fixings fitted so i could organise exactly what was needed before they got welded up. So, with that in mind... I am now looking for a few more RGV parts to complete the suspension. Things like a full VJ22 rear brake setup, a rear axle and spacers and the two collars that fit inside the bearings at the pivot. Anyone got those they arent using? So here is a pic of the front end trial fitted... Ok... Don't get too excited by that wheel... its a KTM wheel from my Supermoto project and is only there as it is a 17incher and also has the same size ID of the bearings (now that it is sleeved) and so fits the RGV front axle, and also it has a tyre on it... my RGV wheels do not at this point. I know people quite like the idea of a wire wheel setup on an LC, but Im sorry to say, I just dont get it... LOL!  The week was not all progress... there was also some bad news.... I found one of the welds on the swingarm is cracked. talking to people who have played with and also raced RGVs I've found that it seems that anyone down here who has looked close enough at the P model RGV swinger will say the same thing, is it the same in the UK? Its one of the side arm welds on the bottom and its not that the parts have separated, just the weld has a crack in it, and its only in the center of the weld, not right through to the ends. Ive done some tests on the swinger and its seems to be plum, not easy with one of these arms as they are not the same on both sides, a very weird design. So that crack will need to be welded up when the plates go on, im just glad it doesnt seem to be out of line or that would kill this project.  The wheels.... Got the front back from a local guy called the Magman who did a superb job on the wheel. He heated up the alloy and then bashed the (admittedly) small dint out of the rim with a soft faced mallet. Well thats what he said, I think he may have been a bit more scientific about it than that as hes done a nice job and the alloy under the powder was undamaged etc. He got it on his lathe and took the small amount of road rash out from the lip and I was good to go. For anyone in Sydney I would recommend him, he doesnt usually do bike wheels, but hes a good lad and the cost was $100, which i think is fair for what he did. Whilst that makes the wheel an expensive purchase, these wheels have really gone up in value in Aus since ive had them as so many guys are using RGV stuff for projects and SMs. You just cant get RGV wheels or forks here now for sensible money... especially if you want a 17" rear or VJ22 forks. The downside of heating the powder was that when I was removing the powdercoat to polish the rims, the bits where the heat had been were baked on solid. Even after much paint stripper and also brushing with a brass brush and then sanding with W&D I still noticed a small line of burnt white powdercoat yesterday. So more work needed on that.... Ok, so for those that are interested in how I sanded these to get the finish... I set up a rig that would not pass any Health 'n Safety even in 3rd world countries LOL With an axle and spacers fitted an one end on my bench and one end locked in my JawHorse and then spun the wheel with an electric drill held in a vice, fitted with an old gummed up polishing mop and resting on the inside of the wheel... Yes, absolutely you should NOT try this at home! It is fraught with danger, but... it did work. phew! (no pics of this setup as I dont want this thread to have a health warning!) It also proved the wheels were not buckled in relation to the hub which was nice... Cleaned up the rims with various grades of wet n dry and then some Meguires polish. I was aiming for more of a lightly brushed finish than an out n out shine, which is lucky as that's what i got! LOL Ok... so i could have paid $80 a wheel to have these soda blasted... but $14 worth of paint stripped did the trick for these and also my YPVS wheels for another project. And yes on the RGV wheels i didnt do the spokes or the centers as the powder was nice and solid and after a sand and clean up with thinners it was nice and solid for the paint.     (pic of them both all done with black centers to come when they are done...) So now need tyres... Australia is a nightmare for tyres... we seem to have to pay double the UK price for rubber for bikes and cars. hmm... I have a line of some well priced Bridgestones and im hopeful to have them done in a week or two. |
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Post by JonW on Aug 25, 2011 3:48:24 GMT 1
Thanks m8!
You can just see it i the last pic, but the rear I already did the black spokes... To be honest, Ive not posted pics of them painted as i wanted to clear coat the black first with something like the old 'Stonechip Protect clear' I used to use when I was in the UK, but no one down here does anything similar it seems... hmmm... so normal high quality clear it will be i guess...
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Post by JonW on Aug 25, 2011 8:08:34 GMT 1
Ok, busy arvo as I wanted to follow on from the post above with pics of the finished RGV wheels... well, as close to finished as I can do at this point... they still need a final poilish and also new bearings and tyres of course... it never ends! LOL! As was the plan, I re-masked and tried to clear over the black on the rear wheel and it just wouldnt work, I think the clear is old and the conditions not right for the paint, either way it was just horrid. I know the paints are compatible, I tested them, but today on the wheels it just looked dull and lifeless, not as sparkly as the standard black and nowhere near what I wanted, so i gave in and just re-coated over that with the gloss black and left it at that. To be honest that is now quite a lot of layers of paint on that rear wheel, so im sure it will be quite fine the way it is. I also painted the front to match the rear... tho not with so many coats and so much messing about! haha!  So here we are as of the end of this arvo... not bad considering how they started with chipped white powdercoat and a buckled and rashed front rim.   So tomorrow its back to my YPVS project's wheels which ive been doing at the same time... sort of like a tag team... hmm... to be honest, I'm a bit sick of sanding and polishing wheels at the mo... LOL! More on those other wheels and that project here: Jon's '85 RZ350 YPVS restoration |
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Post by JonW on Sept 4, 2011 23:46:58 GMT 1
Slow progress being made with the last bits of work on the frame before i drop the swingarm and frame down to the welders to have the brackets NK made me welded to the swing arm and the mods done to get it all to fit. A huge thank you to all those who emailed me photos of their NK swingarms so i could take the photos down to the welders and help avoid mistakes. Cheers! Had an exciting few days last week as the mate who sold me this bike, offered me another one in bits with the frame already powdercoated which would have saved me some time and hassle, but before i could pick it up he decided to build it for himself, which i I understand but threw a bit of a spanner in the works for me for a few days. Still waiting on some parts for the RGV stuff. Ive got a GK76 rear axle coming from ebay (cheers for the heads up on that cross model part guys!), a mate let me sweeve thru his stock of NOS RGV seals and I found the swinger end caps which was super cool! Ive ordered the expensive TA2530Z bearings for the swinger (a snip at £6.90+vat from Marksman in the uk) and will order the wheel bearings today along with those for the YPVS, but am still looking for the 2 small collars that fit inside the RGV swing arm bearings, seems Suzuki used them on lots of models like the GSXR750s etc. Looks like the USA is the cheapest place to get them from but it might take a while as post is very slow from there these days, ie over a month unless you courier at huge cost So with a few medium expenses on things i cant do myself (strip and powder coating, swingarm welding and tyres) lined up now on my critical path I will rebuild the engine with my stock of parts and hope some ebay listings ive done sell so i can get the funds for the next stage... exciting! |
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Post by JonW on Sept 7, 2011 8:55:30 GMT 1
Well this week there is some real VP (Visible Progress).... My friend looked at the task of building the RDLC he had acquired and thought better of it after a few days and called me back so the deal was back on! So, i didnt say anythingt o anyone in case i jinxed it, but ive just come back from a 300+km round trip with a car full of an LC! Whilst almost all the parts of this bike are no better than the one i have, and in fact some bits are worse as it doesnt have a full set of LC wheels and the tank, seat etc is not that great; its the frame i was after... and boy did it deliver! nicely powedercoated is one plus point, but it also includes a centerstand and its lugs are nice and solid and uncut. I wish I had started with this bike really, it would have saved me some messing about welding the frame bits ive already done and as a kit of bits it had some things I just couldnt find locally and so bought from the UK, EU and Canada! Not ideal, but hey that is the past, and there is no sense crying over spilt milk of course... So... the question is, even after Ive swapped over the frames I still have more than a full LC spare (as im not using most of my old LC parts now that im going with RGV front and rear ends), what should i do with it? stick it in the back of the garage and hope the mrs doesnt notice? or just sell it on? I do have a lot of projects on the go already... hmm.... decisions decisions LOL! There will be pics soon, but for now ive got to strip apart the frame and make sure the previous owner fitted stuff how i would like it done, in a cursory look ive seen the shock bolts are loose and there is no grease on anything, and there were no ball bearings in the head, plus the races fell out when spoken to with a harsh voice... so its obviously been built up a bit quick so will pay to be taken apart and redone i think.... more on that as it happens. |
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Post by JonW on Sept 8, 2011 9:08:53 GMT 1
More progress.... Assessed my new frame... buy mocking up my Athena 421 kit onto the painted cases and putting them in the frame, then checking the pipes fitted with the centerstand... seemed ok but i didnt get a real test, so that will have to wait...  Stripped the 'new' frame totally and cleaned it up as it was very dusty. Here are some shots from before i stripped it. Dusssty! Plus, old cut loom, no grease on any bolts, many loose things... ie centerstand has no circlip on the pin! Also noticed the oil and water tanks are clean on the outside but dirty inside... seems silly to me... so fitted my cleaned up old ones. Always nice to strip and start fresh with new stuff...    After a clean up and with my old (sorry looking) frame:  Went thru the parts that came off it and some of it was great, some less good than what i had already cleaned up from the old bike so i started to put it back together with the best of the stuff Im my garage. Fitted my new Yuni parts loom and one of the connectors is wrong but im hoping to rob it off the old loom, it seems it's for the 'canceling unit' which I assume is for the indicators and im wondering if the Aussie ones had than and the UK/EU didnt? I now need to find the wiring run diagram as im a bit lost with a new loom that doesnt know its own way yet... joking aside, its always easier to fit an old loom as it sort of falls into place easily, unlike a new one. EDITED to add this link to the wiring route in case anyone else comes here needing that info: rdlccrazy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=info&action=display&thread=11893Fitted the old skool Raask rearsets and look at how i might make my rear brake work and it seems doable, then refitted the center stand and the sticky out foot pad hits the gear side foot peg and then site behind and above it when its up... ie right where my foot will be... bugger! will have to look at that some more when its on the bike, as i dont want to lose either of those items. Sigh. Messed with a bunch of other parts and then started to sort out my RGV triple clamps for fitting the USD forks, ground off the old lock stops (which had been drilled) and then fitted the bearings and the spacer, but when putting the lower triple into the head i think something is wrong. The adjustment nut only just caught the threads and went maybe 1.5 turns and the steering was solid and if i then put the top clamp on there is no threads for the top not... So, im wondering why people say to fit a 5mm spacer now?! So not a great end to a long day in the garage as ive two issues to fix, but huge progress has been made which is very nice indeed! |
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Post by daft on Sept 8, 2011 12:29:54 GMT 1
wow good job for the restoration !!
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Post by JonW on Sept 8, 2011 13:53:11 GMT 1
One thing that did interest me is this seat that came with the 'new' bike:  Ive seen a few of these on ebay the past few years and never knew why anyone would do that... I do now... In some states in Aus (like Queensland) you can register your bike for 'single person use'. What that does is give you cheaper Compulsory Third Party Insurance, as I assume you cant hurt/maim/kill a passenger if you dont have the ability to carry one. They take the reclassification very seriously and my bike has a govt issued extra chassis plate saying its been assessed to meet the 'LK7' modification. This is not some DIY thing either, you need a shop to have done it or an engineer to acredit it from what i can tell. There are a bunch of rules, but essentially in order to be a single person machine it has to have no rear footpegs and a seat of no more than 50cm, so what people did was reduce the length of the seat with this mod. You can see the shortened footpegs in this pic, the passenger ends have been cut down: I dont much care for the single person thing as in NSW we dont have that insurance break, so the bike will go back to full 2 person spec with a gully seat and hoepfully the raask footpegs with the additonal passenger pegs. |
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Post by kennyroberts on Sept 8, 2011 21:06:02 GMT 1
thats interesting stuff, must stick in the throat of a purist !, but i understand why,
nice progress, keep the updates coming!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2011 5:08:27 GMT 1
hi, it almost halves your rego a year from around 400 down to around 200 a year(queensland),that s for my 650,another thing is where the rear pegs go you have to drill it out,so you just cant screw them back on,im not going to do this on either of my bikes,juct cant bring myself to do it,unless i can find a cheap seat and peg hangers from somewhere. then put other stuff back on, i never have a passenger.
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Post by JonW on Sept 11, 2011 9:59:19 GMT 1
Well half off is a good reason if you use your bike solo daily i guess, ie for commute. but for me, I like the full length seat and also the ability to carry a mate/wife if needs be, even if its a once a year thing, plus in NSW there is no saving for a single use bike.
Drilling out the hangers would have been better in this case i reckon, chopping the ends off was a bit drastic, tho at first glance i will admit i didnt notice. but I was looking at the whole bike (mostly in bits) at the time LOL
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Post by nikfubar on Sept 11, 2011 10:08:54 GMT 1
Blimey Jon, you got a tool box fettish ;D
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Post by JonW on Sept 11, 2011 14:41:05 GMT 1
LOL, well... maybe a bit Nick... haha! ...truth is i bought them before i left the UK as i knew id be travelling about and wanted to keep everything secure and in the right place. Theyve really worked well and were good value when i bought them in the early 00's as i just grabbed them when they came up cheaply locally. I totally recommend them to anyone, id find it hard to live without them now LOL |
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Post by JonW on Sept 14, 2011 1:42:01 GMT 1
Work is proceeding... - wiring loom is sort of in place.... I didnt know it went to the right of the headstock, I do now... LOL Also fitted the airbox as i hop to use it, and added new seals and filter to it.  - fixed the steering issue... it was the seal... dont fit an RGV seal to an LC... i must have been tired when i had that brainwave... hmm... anyway, taped up the bearing and ground the seal back as i couldnt remove the bearing without damaging it and the yokes fit now. phew! - cleaned up my fork legs and fitted them, im sure they need more work as they would be nicer without the gold annodising (on this yellow bike) at the very least and a rebuild could be in the offing, but i decided to fit this set and then rebuild the other set i have for fitting later as those are silver coloured already. (KTM wheel fitted for now...)  - also played some more with the rearsets and some other parts, so the frame is now now taking shape... Once the alloy welding is done then i will have a roller! But... im still waiting on some parts from the USA for the pivot and I still need to find a chain protector rubber/plastic guard thingy.... - I bought a small blasting cabinet and some glass beads. Ive been playing... Amongst other things lying around in the garage I had an old rusty set of RGV disks given me and ive cleaned them up and painted them, sure the cheapies off ebay are probably better than these used things, but for now these will do to get it up and rolling.   - drilled out the triple clamps as per Nick's advice, and they fit perfectly. I bought the same ones Nick had as I liked the shape and size of them. One arrived with a clonk in the alloy... grr... yeah cheers M&P... hmm....  There is more work to do on the top triple to make a bracket to help strengthen the bar mounts and also at the same time be used to secure the clocks, that will be done over the next few days...   - Tyres will be fitted today.... |
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Post by nikfubar on Sept 14, 2011 6:54:38 GMT 1
Nice work jon  lovin the wire wheel look, I always wanted to fit a set of these to one of my builds ;D |
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Post by JonW on Sept 14, 2011 9:23:28 GMT 1
LOL sadly for the lovers of the wires, today is their last day on the LC... the RGV front wheel is now fitted with a BT003RS and will be put back in the RGV forks tomorrow... I may even do pics to prove... dont shed a tear tho, the KTMaha project still lives and will be ready in the Summer... not saying which year! |
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Post by JonW on Sept 15, 2011 1:12:27 GMT 1
Spent a good few hours unmasking those brake disks and tidying them up a bit, then grabbed the wheels and polished the rims now that the paint has hardened nicely. Of course the edges got an extra polish since once the tyres are fitted they wont be as easy to access.  Then packed the wheels in the car as went off to see Michael at Whites Racing Products who fitted me some Bridgestone BT003RS tyres to the spruced up RGV rims... 110/70/17 front and 150/60/17 rear. He had a very lightly used rear for a price i couldnt refuse so i came home with some cash in my pocket which was nice, tyres are so much money downunder its just not funny, so any chance at a saving is always greatly received. The front balanced up easily, but I didnt have my sprocket carrier or disk for the rear, in fact it doesnt even have bearings and so I will have to drop it back to him when that lot is fitted. He was a good guy and very helpful so if youre local I would recommend him and his oppo Craig.  Took a few hours out yesterday to rifle thru the boxes of stuff i now have for the LC since i have two complete bikes (plus some) in boxes and tubs. Lurking at the bottom of one of my tubs was a bunch of ignition switches and what i thought were YPVS seat locks, tho most are well trashed and really were just in there as spare parts, but turns out some are LC and not that bad, phew! One of the keys fitted the seatlock on the bike... wow... then in another box I found a manky looking fuel cap... mildly excited... didnt feel placcy... started to get more excited... found a magnet and yep, its alloy! Wow! Next stage was to try some keys... and wahooo, the seat lock key fits it!     So decided to spend a bit of time sanding out the day to day chips from drops and also the nasty dings and see what one of these can come up like.... First the disassembly....    im not 100% sure about that small spring, not only am i not sure about where it fits, but it looks like its been bent as well... hmmm anyone know how these go? (more when its done...) |
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lovin the wire wheel look, I always wanted to fit a set of these to one of my builds ;D