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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 5:32:56 GMT 1
Looking for an all out purchase as Ive no core to build upon (unless I bought one I guess, but seems counter intuitive?) So, whats the best value in the UK for one of these in a standard size/length rods etc The cheapest i can get a HotRods landed to me (in Aus) is around £350. I see norbo does a swap (rebuilt unit) on a core for £265. Im not looking for a ropey no name bearings, random chinese rods type unit. Only want something known. So, Anyone know of something cheaper? ...and yes, of course i'm all eyes for PM offers of brand new OEMs for <£300  |
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jan 4, 2024 5:49:45 GMT 1
I've fitted several of Norbos recon cranks into YPVS engine rebulds and they've always been good.
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 6:01:07 GMT 1
I've fitted several of Norbos recon cranks into YPVS engine rebulds and they've always been good. I see he lists brand new cranks at £430 and recons at £265... but that 265 price is an exchange. no mention of a price for straight sale. |
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jan 4, 2024 6:12:16 GMT 1
I've fitted several of Norbos recon cranks into YPVS engine rebulds and they've always been good. I see he lists brand new cranks at £430 and recons at £265... but that 265 price is an exchange. no mention of a price for straight sale. Yep, and as you don't have one to exchange, all new is likely the best bet. A secondhand one to exchange would perhaps be a hundred quid, so with that in mind, another £65 gets you to a new one. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 6:24:10 GMT 1
yep, thats what i was thinking re Norbo's pricing.
The new one I assume is not OEM.
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Post by cb250g5 on Jan 4, 2024 7:45:08 GMT 1
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 9:09:34 GMT 1
Yes I saw your ad, it was at the back of my mind. With that in mind, perhaps £365 is the cheapest in the uk then? So cheaper for me to order one from the USA to here... Any more ideas folks? |
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jan 4, 2024 9:29:52 GMT 1
I think Bear posted something about crankshafts from Vitos Speed Shop. He said Ed Erlenbach uses them and they were a good buy.
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 10:16:36 GMT 1
Yes, Ive looked at them and they are good value.
But, they are welded... :/
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Post by dougw on Jan 4, 2024 11:06:50 GMT 1
Yes, Ive looked at them and they are good value. But, they are welded... :/ Is welded necessarily bad ? Terry Shepherd used to weld cranks, he did a couple of mine in different bikes and I had no problems. |
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jan 4, 2024 11:07:32 GMT 1
Yes, Ive looked at them and they are good value. But, they are welded... :/ Hi Jon I didn't know they have been welded. Curious to know why it puts you off. The only thing I can think of is if not done well the crankshaft deflections could be a bit big. How about a genuine crank from Partzilla or a similar company. I've had a crank from Norbo which hasn't had a easy life and it's still good. |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 4, 2024 11:48:24 GMT 1
Not much value now when buying a crank
Think your £350 for a hot rods is as good as you get, think they are nearer £400 here now
Megazip are 1100 usd dollar for a genuine one just now but doing 20% off but still daft money
Partzilla are about £650 plus shipping but you will have duty/vat on top of that
I would take any new replacement crank (unless built built by PJME or Grampian) as a 1 chance crank and not rebuildable
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 4, 2024 11:59:46 GMT 1
Your only other option is finding an original crank that has stupid low miles on it from a well stored bike
I've had a couple now. One went in the leftovers and the other is stashed in my garage for the 250 ypvs build
Both were about £150 each
Steve
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Post by Norbo on Jan 4, 2024 13:00:21 GMT 1
If you can get a hot rod to your door for £350 id do that
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 13:05:37 GMT 1
Id rather not have welded as that negates any rebuild for most people here (and maybe elsewhere) This is a Vitos PC350: (pic from their website)  Sadly Ive already priced OEMs from all over (USA, here, UK, Japan, UAE etc) and all are just silly money now. Plus, Im hit with fees and duty on things of this value so its blown out of the water. I agree with Steve. I treat non OEMs (especially welded of which Ive used a few) as a one hit and Id rather have a PJME or Grampian etc OEM rebuild or new one. I assume Norbo uses one of those companies for his cranks? I'd love an original low miles crank from a well stored bike... but the chances... hmm Sadly most cranks that have been out of a bike have been poorly stored as they tend to be 'just that old crank that ive replaced'. I bought a few here in Aus. Including one I was going to use it 'as is'. In the end I had it rebuilt as I wanted to be sure. It had to have rod kits and new bearings. So much for the well stored etc etc. With his time and the new parts it cost as much as a new one when I was done and that was with a local builder I used to use quite a bit. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 13:06:59 GMT 1
If you can get a hot rod to your door for £350 id do that Yes, its cheaper as I can get it in under our import tax threshold. |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 4, 2024 14:57:58 GMT 1
The "well stored" is a lot to do with how the complete bike was stored
If you can see the bike it came out of was corrosion free so had been kept warm and dry then that's fine. Even if it's only done 1000 miles but kept cold and damp then the chances are there will be pitting somewhere in a big or little end where a drop of condensation has formed. Runs fine at first but craps itself within 1000 miles
Worse if the engine has been stored out of a bike so no exhausts/carbs fitted
The one I have just now was from a dry 3k mile bike so fingers crossed. Luckily I have a new gen one from when you could get them for £450 and a hot rods from just before the prices got hiked
Also rebuild places tend to be very critical, slightest mark and they won't use it. Remember sending a crank to Grampians for rebuild and the quote was the same as a new crank. After a quick conversation it was 40 quid cheaper as I never wanted his oil seals and I wasn't paying for a lab seal that had nothing wrong with it
They said they usually just fit a new one regardless
Tiny scratch on a big end pin and they say it's scrap
Very good fast service though and good to know what you get is perfect but costs have got to a stage now where its a toss up between a rebuild and a new one
Steve
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jan 4, 2024 15:57:34 GMT 1
I still think a welded crankshaft would outlast most of our riding days unless it's going to be used for many miles.
Sadly not many of us make mega miles on our bikes.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 4, 2024 17:31:36 GMT 1
Id rather not have welded as that negates any rebuild for most people here (and maybe elsewhere) This is a Vitos PC350: (pic from their website) . And bearings from Taiwan 😬 Steve |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 4, 2024 17:36:38 GMT 1
Although site says they are Koyo
Pity they want 128 usd post so £415 plus 20% duty so it's £500 to get one 🙄
Steve
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Post by muttsnuts on Jan 4, 2024 19:55:42 GMT 1
I do stock Hotrod cranks at £348 inc vat, but the postage to Oz will kill ya, so getting it from the states is probably your best bet
One thing to note, the Hotrod cranks are welded as well
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 4, 2024 19:57:09 GMT 1
I had a feeling they were welded but couldn't get to mine to confirm
Sreve
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 23:11:01 GMT 1
Id rather not have welded as that negates any rebuild for most people here (and maybe elsewhere) This is a Vitos PC350: (pic from their website) . And bearings from Taiwan 😬 Steve Heehee I wondered who would notice |
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 23:11:53 GMT 1
I do stock Hotrod cranks at £348 inc vat, but the postage to Oz will kill ya, so getting it from the states is probably your best bet One thing to note, the Hotrod cranks are welded as well Thats good to know (both counts) Dave. |
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Post by JonW on Jan 4, 2024 23:15:00 GMT 1
I still think a welded crankshaft would outlast most of our riding days unless it's going to be used for many miles. Sadly not many of us make mega miles on our bikes. I take your point on this Tony. Looks like welded is the new not welded lol FWIW Yambits' crank looks non welded...  Tho the whole crank is from Taiwan I think, which doesnt totally mean 'bad'... but.... |
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Post by chippy348 on Jan 5, 2024 21:21:28 GMT 1
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jan 5, 2024 21:41:49 GMT 1
I like the mention of a door stop in your add. |
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Post by andy748 on Jan 5, 2024 21:49:59 GMT 1
The Hot Rods crank i bought today from mutts is welded, it's a long rod though, only two spots of weld on the pin. Andy.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 5, 2024 21:50:26 GMT 1
Hi Hopefully you could answer a question for me The hotrods crank says it uses rubber o rings on the main bearings Obviously there isn't an o ring on the RH bearing as the half clip sits in there There is no locating pin so what do you recommend. Bearing lock or just fit as is Cheers Steve |
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Post by andy748 on Jan 5, 2024 21:57:03 GMT 1
Sorry to jump in Steve, don't use bearing lock as it can cause resistance in crank rotation, i fitted a Hot Rods standard crank to my old engine which has done 6k miles now, no issues whatsoever, without bearing lock. Used bearing lock on another motor and guess what, crank was a tad stiff! Andy.
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