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Post by tonyd123 on Oct 5, 2023 11:29:12 GMT 1
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Post by steve63 on Oct 5, 2023 13:20:09 GMT 1
What concerns me is that Honda and Yamaha just pack their bags and leave bike sport altogether like Suzuki did. MotoGP, WSB, BSB then all turn into slightly different versions of The Ducati Cup with the odd Aprilia and KTM thrown in. They're in it for publicity to help sell bikes and make money. If they are spending millions and finishing 15th what's the point for them?
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Post by jimmyg on Oct 5, 2023 15:09:20 GMT 1
It’s a shame it looks like he’s going to a non factory Ducati, would have been good to see him on a ktm or Aprilia
Cheers Jimmy
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Post by steve63 on Oct 11, 2023 12:54:32 GMT 1
Been thinking. As the lead Honda rider isn't it part of his job to lead the development of the bike? It's not as if he has had to jump on a bike developed by somebody else to suit them. Even if it was he's been on it long enough to tailor it to himself.
If it's as bad as they claim how did it get to that point and how is it that he can't develop it back to being decent and has to leave instead?
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Post by charles13 on Oct 11, 2023 12:58:03 GMT 1
Been thinking. As the lead Honda rider isn't it part of his job to lead the development of the bike? It's not as if he has had to jump on a bike developed by somebody else to suit them. Even if it was he's been on it long enough to tailor it to himself. If it's as bad as they claim how did it get to that point and how is it that he can't develop it back to being decent and has to leave instead? I think Marc did develop it (when he wasn’t injured) to match his style and this is why nobody else can ride it, look at poor Mir he never used to fall |
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Post by steve63 on Oct 11, 2023 13:14:13 GMT 1
Been thinking. As the lead Honda rider isn't it part of his job to lead the development of the bike? It's not as if he has had to jump on a bike developed by somebody else to suit them. Even if it was he's been on it long enough to tailor it to himself. If it's as bad as they claim how did it get to that point and how is it that he can't develop it back to being decent and has to leave instead? I think Marc did develop it (when he wasn’t injured) to match his style and this is why nobody else can ride it, look at poor Mir he never used to fall but it seems now that he can't ride it either  . It's common for a new rider to come into a team and not like the bike that has been developed by and for someone who has been established in the team for a while. They bikes usually have enough adjustment to totally transform them to suit another rider but it would seem this one doesn't. I think it was Gary Taylor said Shwantz and Scott Russel had the same bike set up at complete opposites of the scale of adjustment. I guess in a nut shell I'm saying that if the bike is rubbish who's to blame but Marquez himself? I have heard the theory that since Pedrosa left the Honda testing team the bike development has gone to pot. Surely he only worked on areas that Marquez wanted improvements in? |
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Post by Robbieben on Oct 11, 2023 13:32:14 GMT 1
My understanding from what I've read is that the chassis engineers developed a new chassis for 2023 and Marc told them it was terrible to ride at the test in late 2022 but honda told him to adapt to it as there wasn't more money availble for new development.
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Post by reedpete on Oct 11, 2023 18:04:14 GMT 1
Think Honda corporate are just in a total strategic mess… seemed to identify long term future of the organisation 5 years back as purely electric ….
Then it’s dawned on them that that’s a lot of eggs in one basket when unlimited low cost electricity is so far away… you’ve got to be developing IC engines using whatever non fossil fuel looks most promising, if only to benchmark the performance of electric…
Think the mess in both F1 and moto GP is underpinned by this lack of strategic clarity..
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Post by tipfinchy on Oct 11, 2023 18:55:06 GMT 1
Off the top of my head is it only 2 riders that have won the blue ribbon class championship on non Japanese machinery since 1975?? , Stoner in 07? and Peco last year
For me its down to the European manufacturers being far more adaptable and innovative and moving faster with their ideas
Looking forward to see Marc on the Ducati next season
Mart
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Post by derek500 on Oct 11, 2023 19:24:57 GMT 1
Unfortunately motogp is getting more and more like F1, where the drivers don't make that much difference. Now motogp has let the aero and shape shifting out the bottle the riders are separated by 10s of a second.
Good for close racing but difficult for the manufacturers to make a difference during the season as the engines are sealed and ECUs are all the same, Mark marquez is still the best rider by the way
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Post by fabiostar on Oct 11, 2023 19:48:28 GMT 1
It will be interesting next year, he is still the most naturally talented rider on the grid like him or not. something is badly wrong in japan when the might of the factories cant take on the likes of Ducati who in real terms are the same size as the Honda canteen lol.
in fairness to MM he could have sat on at Honda making big money for years to come but he wants to race, its all he knows.
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Post by derek500 on Oct 12, 2023 9:45:38 GMT 1
I was at Assen motogp a few years back, stayed at a nice hotel in Groningen,went for breakfast it was wall to wall red, all Ducati employees, got talking thinking they were the pit crew etc, no, they were the software guys! Must have been 20 of them!
All working behind the scenes.
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Post by liffy16 on Oct 17, 2023 13:41:18 GMT 1
At a loss to where hrc are going ?Yamaha struggling at the back most of the season then mandilika Fabio sticks it on the podium and the Yamaha was looking competitive again setting fastest laps,I am now confused!
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Post by derek500 on Oct 17, 2023 14:26:16 GMT 1
Yes it's fine margins, 10ths of a second each lap, yamaha goes well at Mandalika for 3/4s of the lap anyway, if Martin hadn't crashed it would have been different.
Keeping the front tyre pressure/temperature low, ie not in traffic, heped him a lot
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Post by derek500 on Oct 19, 2023 15:12:39 GMT 1
It's been confirmed he's on a 2023 bike next season, Frankie cardichelli as crew chief,
He won the championship with Mir
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Post by veg on Oct 20, 2023 9:17:23 GMT 1
And 24 upgrades if he performs well. I hate to say it as I’m not a fan but it’s looking ominous for the competition a race and championship winning bike being ridden by (again I hate to say it) but probably the best current rider in moto Gp
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Post by liffy16 on Oct 20, 2023 10:50:07 GMT 1
Whatever happens it will be the most exciting thing to happen to moto gp in years,some say Marquez is past it? Is the Ducati really that good or is it the new era of rider's, looking forward to moto gp next season for a change 👍time will tell
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Post by derek500 on Oct 20, 2023 14:23:36 GMT 1
I don't understand people saying "I'm not a fan" I'm in awe of all of em!
I know it sometimes comes to personalities but if you compare to football, you have a team you support but you admire other players at other teams. The sheer talent of Marques and what he can do on a bike, usually Rossi fans are polar and hate Marc, but I liked Rossi too even when he was over the top with the likes of Biaggi Gibanau, and Marques
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Post by veg on Oct 20, 2023 14:48:21 GMT 1
I’m not a fan as I don’t like arrogance and his aggression and that’s from moto 3 days alway through to today, I didn’t say I wasn’t in awe of his talent and I’m not a tribalist or a fan boy over one or the other rider. Supporters/fans don’t have to be invested to like or dislike the person or the personality I didn’t like the whole Rossi/Marquez shite not because I like or dislike either of them more or less just because it wasn’t racing it was dangerous and they were both as bad as each other.
Stoner was probably the greatest natural talent of the modern era I wasn’t a huge fan but I loved his ability. What he didn’t do was skittle people off what he didn’t do was believe he had a god given right to a position and bollox to anyone else.
So I can admire the ability but I can dislike the individual.
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Post by derek500 on Oct 20, 2023 17:11:44 GMT 1
I think it's a fine line between arrogance and self confidence, to a greater or lesser extent they're all arrogant.
Speaking of Stoner, just watching Aussie GP
FP2 with guest Mr stoner! Just said he nearly signed for Yamaha before he went to Ducati in 2006, Yamaha messed him about so he used that motivation to win the championship with Ducati.
Talked with Stan Stephens once about him watching Stoner at a damp Phillip island spinning the Ducati sideways on slicks!
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Post by donkeychomp on Oct 20, 2023 22:42:18 GMT 1
Is it too late to say bring back 2 strokes?
Alex
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