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Post by donkeychomp on May 12, 2023 23:57:05 GMT 1
Just saw this It's very interesting, and I have always thought H2 was the way forward. However one thing troubles me. The vid states that the car has a range of 400 miles (good) but emits 50 litres of water. If every car did that the roads would flood surely? Maybe some sort of sponge in the tail pipe would help...  Alex |
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Post by JonW on May 13, 2023 1:35:23 GMT 1
Wow, not seen the 50L/400miles stat. Eeek! Yes, imagine how wet the UK would be from rain with added hydrogen cars lol
I do believe this may be the future but as a hybrid to make use of the new battery/leccy tech thats coming. Charge off solar on your house and then when you run out the H2 engine takes over etc etc.
Gives you the ability to quickly recharge with H2 at a fuel station and not add hours to a journey to charge, just do that when you can etc (or while going along with solar on yer roof).
One thing for sure is that electric isnt the future from where we are now, just cos the politics (politicians?!) and optics say it is in 2023 doesnt make it so.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 13, 2023 10:49:25 GMT 1
Can't be 50L per 400 miles
If the range is 400 then the tank must be around 50L so can't convert 50L of liquid H into 50L of H2O surely
Steve
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on May 13, 2023 10:57:40 GMT 1
Oh and I think it will be the future, just the Gov's haven't realised leccy isn't the full solution needed
I currently use around 10kwh a day at home
If I had a leccy work car I'd then end 60kwh per day
Grid ant take that
If I had a large solar/battery system at home I'd do about 30kwh max
I ain't paying £15k - £20k for a system that would predominantly fuel my company car
Need something else fast
Steve
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Post by chrisg on May 13, 2023 12:26:37 GMT 1
I have read that it can be costly to make h2, but if it can be made using renewable energy then this is the way to go.
EV cars are for the birds.
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Post by Tobyjugs on May 13, 2023 16:51:36 GMT 1
A few years ago my company was turning away from piston engines as a form or power. Now thay have done a 180 degree turn and there all sorts of piston engines being developed depending on the new fuel types.
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Post by chrisg on May 13, 2023 17:08:18 GMT 1
some years ago Duel fuel cars were all the rage. Propane/petrol. Even garage forecourts had the pumps, but its all died off. That was supposed to be "green"
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Post by crogthomas on May 14, 2023 9:02:07 GMT 1
Since water is just hydrogen (from the tank) combined with oxygen from the air it doesn't seem that surprising that much water is produced. I think petrol powered cars produce about the same amount of water per mile. Once the engine is warm it mostly disappears as steam/vapour anyway.
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Post by geoffers997 on May 19, 2023 18:50:53 GMT 1
I’ve said this before so please forgive me:
The current crop of electrics are, in the main, ugly fashion statements.
Then there’s the huge elephant in the room regarding the capacity in the grid to generate and supply power for them
I’m loving the idea of a hydrogen car, problem is, is anyone else?
Just my opinion. Other views are available.
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Post by jon on May 19, 2023 19:22:42 GMT 1
IMO it’s a massive globally controlled scheme to make as much money out of Joe Public as possible. 37 years ago my O level geography essay was based on Petrol. We knew it would run out soon (in the scheme of things) then (by the way I passed). Think about it, what sort of premium has been put on petrol since then to rinse the last of the supply out? Over The years since the 80’s petrol has gone up and down compared to inflation, but overall recently it is roughly 20% more over the years. Also new technology such as electric vehicles is a distraction for many thinking they are doing the right thing? As previously said the grid would not sustain a 100% switch to electric, so it’s just a fad IMO (again to get maximum capital?). I’ve always said hydrogen would be a better option.
I would predict that in years to come the amount of years we used fossil fuel compared to electric before we found a better solution would be minimal. You’ve only got to go back a decade where they pushed diesel (another fossil fuel) as the future. How long did that last?
Jon
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Post by geoffers997 on May 19, 2023 19:53:37 GMT 1
Amen brother 😎
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Post by jam911 on May 19, 2023 20:18:47 GMT 1
Just look at inflation and compare it with oil companies profits....we are being royally f**ked over ...
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Post by stirling11 on May 24, 2023 13:35:32 GMT 1
Lots of work being performed in the mining sector here with regards to hydrogen engines etc
Look up Fortescue Future Industries to see the work they are doing, it’s an offshoot of Fortescue Metals Group ( FMG) an iron ore miner
They are looking at an infinity train which uses the gradient of the rail lines in the landscape to power and recharge the train
They have also partnered with Liebherr to use renewable energy for dump trucks
Large scale machinery, yes, however it could be scaleable
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Post by steve h on May 24, 2023 14:55:50 GMT 1
Nothing really matters if the dribbling idiots get their wish and start WW3. Global warming with added radioactivity, forget fossil fuels and Co2, nitrogen or whatever is in vouge at the mo. You would of thought that meeting in Hiroshima would curb their appetites somewhat.... but no, still banging the war drums. NO one is calling for peace and dialogue! Well no one but one unmentionable individual who's mere mention of his name would probably get me cancelled from here. The real prob is ....Idiots in charge! (Slag China whilst they are building nuclear power plants here)..... what a clever green card toting loser.... C. Smith, A sitcom, 1970s. |
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Post by bezzer on Jun 25, 2023 9:19:15 GMT 1
If electric cars are the way forward, when everyone gets home from work between 5-6 and plugs their car in to charge, the grid will implode surely?, electric cars are heavier, increasing emission from consumables like tyres and brake friction materials. As stated in earlier posts, hydrogen is the only viable alternative, but is very costly to produce, and for the vehicle manufacturers difficult to store and package. It’s so volatile it has to be containable in the event of an accident (front end head-on for instance), and the fuel tank itself would have to be rupture proof, as it effectively becomes a bomb in the event of an accident.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jun 25, 2023 10:45:08 GMT 1
If electric cars are the way forward, when everyone gets home from work between 5-6 and plugs their car in to charge, the grid will implode surely?, That us why there are new rules and you can only get a WiFi enabled charge point fitted You are supposed to use an app that you set which time you go to work If you get home at 6 and there are already cars charging on your street it will delay your charge until there us less demand It will never work long term Steve |
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Post by bezzer on Jun 25, 2023 11:32:46 GMT 1
Wow, I hadn’t heard that Steve?, thanks for enlightening me, everyday’s a school day as they say!. I’ve zoned out of a lot of EV updates as logistics dictate it’ll never work for me.
I do wonder how people in apartment blocks or terraced streets will fare regarding recharging though?, it’d be a massive infrastructure rejig to install kerbside charging points for all.
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Post by steve h on Jun 25, 2023 15:58:01 GMT 1
If electric cars are the way forward, when everyone gets home from work between 5-6 and plugs their car in to charge, the grid will implode surely?, That us why there are new rules and you can only get a WiFi enabled charge point fitted You are supposed to use an app that you set which time you go to work If you get home at 6 and there are already cars charging on your street it will delay your charge until there us less demand It will never work long term Steve Oh yes it will! And if it doesn't, they will double down on it! (They can do anything and get away with it...see last 3 yrs history) |
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Post by veg on Jun 25, 2023 18:09:18 GMT 1
That us why there are new rules and you can only get a WiFi enabled charge point fitted You are supposed to use an app that you set which time you go to work If you get home at 6 and there are already cars charging on your street it will delay your charge until there us less demand It will never work long term Steve Oh yes it will! And if it doesn't, they will double down on it! (They can do anything and get away with it...see last 13 yrs history) Fixed it for you. |
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Post by steve h on Jun 25, 2023 21:25:29 GMT 1
Oh yes it will! And if it doesn't, they will double down on it! (They can do anything and get away with it...see last 13 yrs history) Fixed it for you. Haha! But you could extend it a few years to include illegal wars and invasions, and lies to the public as to why....! (and hundreds of thousands of deaths.....) "They" got away with that one too..... and a f**king Knighthood..... Nuff said .... rest my case..... Fixed properly without bias |
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Post by veg on Jun 25, 2023 22:56:12 GMT 1
Politicians and religions f**king the world since man first learnt to walk.
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Post by donkeychomp on Jun 26, 2023 0:11:58 GMT 1
I did some checking on new car prices. The cheapest petrol car is the Dacia Sandero at £13k. Cheapest electric car (not including the moronic Citroen Ami) is £30k. I can't afford the Sandero. And I don't want it either. How the feck is the average working person expected to cough up £30k when the economy is in meltdown and mortgages are through the roof?
What Tim said. We are being f**ked over and over again and they don't even say they love you after.
Alex
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