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Post by wassy06 on Dec 28, 2022 23:05:16 GMT 1
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Post by donkeychomp on Dec 28, 2022 23:08:57 GMT 1
Ha!
Alex
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Post by JonW on Dec 28, 2022 23:31:49 GMT 1
Rich of Richbrebuilds youtube channel had an issue driving through one of the poorer parts of the USA with his Rivian recently. His point is that while around the North East of the USA there are lots of electric cars and lots of charging its cos the take up is high there as people buy new cars, as you go south on that coast and his the Carolinas and beyond its all 10 year vehicles, those folk are not ordering a new Tesla anytime soon... but that means the affluent owners cant drive through those areas... now that sounds very iffy indeed and more fuel to the US's have/have nots debate.
Anyway... Infrastructure is a huge issue and its just biz as usual for the govts they do this a lot... We've all see the govt decide we should all use public transport and force us by slowing up and closing some of the roads around cities. It becomes chaos as those using them did so cos they had no viable public transport option as one wasnt put in yet.
The drive to electric by an arbitrary date is madness without making it possible to fuel these vehicles. Let alone the debate about how that power is made... ie not cleanly, cheaply. There is no light music playing, a wind in the hair of a maiden letting a butterfly free from her hands in the real world, power is mostly made in smelly power stations that can only just cope with what we consume now. sigh.
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Post by donkeychomp on Dec 29, 2022 0:00:17 GMT 1
It's madness full stop. Where does all this electricity come from anyway? Power stations. And lots are gas or coal powered. Governments worldwide have to be seen to be doing something and I get that, but this is NOT the way forward at all. And petrol powered vehicles only make up 7% of greenhouse gases. Every time I see an electric car I get a little bit angry, with the owner and the idiots who think these things will save the planet. If we really want to save the planet (and I hope we will, I really do) then we need way more solar panels on every house, and fields of them in places like the Sahara. All that power could be shared globally and after the infrastructure it's free. Maybe irrigate deserts with desalination plants. Food in abundance. I have no idea how much countries spend on the military but imagine all that scrapped overnight and poured into resources to feed, water and basically save our world?
Sorry. This kind of crap boils my blood. Rant over.
Alex
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Post by steve h on Dec 29, 2022 1:11:54 GMT 1
Schadenfreude.
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Post by JonW on Dec 29, 2022 3:00:12 GMT 1
I dont mind people buying these cars, its great that new technology is out there. So long as they dont think they are saving the world.
Its much better for the poor old world if you repair an old vehicle and use that rather than have a new one made. Let alone the fact of how power is made... denying that is like pretending the meat on your plate isnt slaughtered in a grizzly abattoir setting.
(and no im not a veggie, but i am a realist about what i eat and where my electricity comes from)
{rant} This week in NSW we have news telling us to save water. This time its not cos weve had a drought, its cos the filters we have need replacing or some such BS. Weve had 3 years of massive rain due to El Ninia events. Never has it been so wet, its broken all records. The dams are overflowing and they are actually flooding farmers out from them, plus all the rivers that have flooded over and over again the past few years. If there is one time that you should not have a water issue its now. Yet... now they have a filter issue. Im not accepting that, no one here will. If my house had been flooded as I was trying to repair it yet again and I see TV and print ads saying to save water Id be very angry indeed. Fix the filters water board, thats what we pay you for... or switch on the salt water processing plant we paind you to build at huge cost and youve not yet used cos the rains came - great planning BTW. sigh. {/rant}
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Post by cbm on Dec 29, 2022 5:45:27 GMT 1
The more EV's there are on the road means the more fuel that's left for me 👍
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Dec 29, 2022 10:03:31 GMT 1
Alex touched upon one of my bug bears
They want electric cars, they want to go greener, they want us to use less power
Well heavily subsidise home solar panels and battery storage systems
Stuff sending it back to the grid for a tiny payback
So you want me to spend £10k on a system so while I'm at work and the sun is out I'm giving you the power I spent all this money on making to give me 5p a kWh yet when I'm home and it's either dark or the sun has moved round so my system isn't making enough I have to buy from private companies making fortunes in profit and causing massive pollution at 30p per kwh
Oh and the break even point is 10 - 20 years, I could be dead by then
Make it a 5 year break even point on a solar and battery system and I'm in
Global warming, rising sea levels?
Oh that darn water stuff made of hydrogen and oxygen, if only we needed it or could do something with it 🙄
Expecting everyone to have an electric car is a novelty and just green washing, they know we can't do it
Steve
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Post by stirling11 on Dec 29, 2022 15:18:33 GMT 1
I’ve got to agree on the electric car debate or should that be debacle
The electricity comes from power stations that burn coal, gas or oil, plenty of pollution there, I get the idea is good however the weight of numbers isn’t quite there yet, it is the way of the future, however as said above I don’t think one can put a time limit when all ICE’s are to phased out at the moment, the technology is there but not the infrastructure to support it
The energy required to make solar panels outweighs their usefulness, get that boundary fixed and you have a goer, battery storage is still not really affordable to the common man
We have plenty of sunlight here, however the cost of installation is high and the break even period is at least 5 years, I’d love to have had solar, again as mentioned the generous buy back schemes have long since gone. Again this has been mentioned above
The vastness of our country with little to no population except in the major cities is the issue, my drive vehicle is a hybrid, I think those are currently a better solution to being all electric
Nuclear fusion I think is the way of the future, little or no long term nuclear waste and very little greenhouse gases, they are however in their infancy and some use more energy than they produce
Fusion is how stars create their energy, controlling the reaction is the hard part at the moment, using huge magnetic fields and temperatures of 100,000,000 degrees are necessary and a function of the reaction
I think we need a blend of technologies, solar, wind and wave as well as hydrogen for vehicles and this will give us the time required to master nuclear fusion at a reasonable cost and a much shorter time frame
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Post by donkeychomp on Dec 29, 2022 23:04:24 GMT 1
Don't quite understand that! How am I gaining pleasure from someone else's misfortune? Alex |
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Post by chrisg on Jan 1, 2023 14:32:41 GMT 1
Im not convinced that EVs are for the future.
I watched 5th gear recently and they had a car powered by synthetic fuel thats carbon neutral, however it is massively expensive at the moment, think it was £65/ltr.
Deffinately watch this space.
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Post by LC_BOTT on Jan 1, 2023 15:22:02 GMT 1
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Post by jam911 on Jan 1, 2023 17:09:08 GMT 1
I have an electric car as my commute was getting so expensive using diesel it was stupid.
The car, the cheapest and best recommended is a Fiat 500.
They quote the range as 200 miles per charge, in reality it is 160.
It is great in the summer but in the winter OMG, I now get 120 miles per charge.
I once saw Jay Lenno being interviewed, as you know he loves cars, and he suggested that in the future everyone will drive electric cars and petrol will be for enthusiasts like us.
Sounds reasonable and we can all be happy, so long as the stupid high prices of electric cars comes down, as currently they are WAY too high.
Thank you and Happy New Year
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Post by reedpete on Jan 1, 2023 19:43:08 GMT 1
I’m sure this discussion is inevitably one that just will run and run…
My views
1. The whole thing EV makes me mad.
2. The policy ( if there is such a thing) is at best muddled and worst politically distorted.
3. Reducing urban particulate pollution by eliminating hydrocarbon burning ICEs in big cities etc is a totally different goal to achieving lowest carbon footprint when moving between urban centres.
4. The energy revolution,, unlimited low cost energy, will be the next profound step for mankind and we are tantalisingly close.
5. Mankind’s achievements are limited by energy, without energy constraints the material resources of the solar system ( and beyond) will be exploitable.
6. Mankind may well trash this planet in the process.
7. My priorities are to get my ‘73 Aircooled running, tidy up my LC2, restore by old 4L0 race bike. Help my mates with theirs…
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Post by abar121 on Jan 1, 2023 20:15:24 GMT 1
The 3 ton EV SUV will not save the planet.
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Post by geoffers997 on Jan 2, 2023 10:20:01 GMT 1
Like most others I get the need to save the planet, and agree with a lot of the sentiments being expressed here.
I never realised that petrol cars are such small culprits in the great scheme of emissions villainy, this fact, if true makes a nonsense of the whole whole ‘save the planet drive an EV’ thing.
Talking to someone who knows about these things, he raised a point: the infrastructure to provide domestic supply to private dwellings isn’t scoped for EV chargers to every house.
I always thought hydrogen was the way forward but that seems to have gone the way of the Betamax
Happy New Year all, can’t wait for a bit of decent riding weather.
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Post by stusco on Jan 2, 2023 11:02:21 GMT 1
They are setting up trials for running households on pure hydrogen just now ,i have a few customers in fife that are getting free boilers and hobs that are set up for pure hydrogen,I thought they were going to blend it with natural gas but it looks like it’s going pure there are a few of these hydrogen villages getting set up round the country
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Post by lcmarky on Jan 2, 2023 11:45:51 GMT 1
As said above the whole electric car roll out is a nonsense & when the tax system finally catches up with them all for both road tax and inland revenue tax on income there will be a shift change.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 2, 2023 11:57:26 GMT 1
Talking to someone who knows about these things, he raised a point: the infrastructure to provide domestic supply to private dwellings isn’t scoped for EV chargers to every house. Absolutely true Its why there are new laws making every new car charger "intelligent" They are all connected to the internet and controlled through an app on your phone If you need your car at 7am every morning to go to work when you get home after work and plug your car in it won't necessarily charge at that time If other cars are charging or it's tea time and peak demand it will wait Also if you are on an EV rate it won't charge untill your rate kicks in If your neighbour has his set for needing the car at 4am then his will charge first Never mind your housing estate not having capacity for everybody to go EV The whole grid can't cope EV cars as they are today are the equivelant of the 350 n/f model Its a stop gap to fill the space between what's being discontinued and what isn't developed yet Steve |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 2, 2023 12:05:55 GMT 1
As said above the whole electric car roll out is a nonsense & when the tax system finally catches up with them all for both road tax and inland revenue tax on income there will be a shift change. Totally agree with this It will be the same as happened before Look at diesel. We were all encouraged to buy them. Company car tax benefits, free road tax, environmentally better Then once we buy them they tax the feck out them I've just been forced to order a new hybrid for work HMRC want more in tax than my manky old diesel People I work with are ordering plug in hybrids with no intention of plugging them in just because the tax liability is halved Once we've bought them they will hike the tax up Steve |
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Post by kirkhd on Jan 2, 2023 12:23:42 GMT 1
Then there's the 100's of 1000's of Terraced houses where you can't leave a cable across the pavement all night and this plug it in to a lamp post idea isn't going to work. Where i live there's about 50 in the row and only 4 lamp posts.
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Post by stusco on Jan 2, 2023 12:36:35 GMT 1
I met one of my neighbours yesterday out walking I asked him if he had been visiting he said no he has an ev but can’t get near his house so has to plug in elsewhere i think he said there are only 3 locally and he had to wait until 21:00 to get a shot
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Post by lcmarky on Jan 2, 2023 12:58:57 GMT 1
Talking to someone who knows about these things, he raised a point: the infrastructure to provide domestic supply to private dwellings isn’t scoped for EV chargers to every house. EV cars as they are today are the equivelant of the 350 n/f model I'll take a 350N over any leccy car & yes even the Plaid or Taycan efforts.. |
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Post by lcmarky on Jan 2, 2023 13:07:22 GMT 1
As said above the whole electric car roll out is a nonsense & when the tax system finally catches up with them all for both road tax and inland revenue tax on income there will be a shift change. Totally agree with this It will be the same as happened before Look at diesel. We were all encouraged to buy them. Company car tax benefits, free road tax, environmentally better Then once we buy them they tax the feck out them I've just been forced to order a new hybrid for work HMRC want more in tax than my manky old diesel People I work with are ordering plug in hybrids with no intention of plugging them in just because the tax liability is halved Once we've bought them they will hike the tax up Steve I held back in the '90's on getting a diesel company car, but finally got a Golf GTI Diesel MKIV (the only GTi golf diesel ever I think!) and then had a few. My last company car was a 3.0 TDi Quattro Diesel that cost me >£500 per month in tax - yes, that's after tax folks!! lovely car. Before that was a Lexus IS300 Hybrid (non plug in) so I felt I had done my bit for 120k miles. I now have opted out of the company car scheme & have leased a petrol A4 Avant (not quite as fruity at the 3.0 but pretty nice) and I save ~ £350 per month after paying for my private lease. Most of my colleagues have a Tesla & charge them @ work for nothing - it's a bloody disgrace that they gat away with it tax free & my sales go towards the freebie too and that cost is absorbed into the overheads of the business. Steve - If you can opt out do so & have a look here for in stock deals as there is no 'likely' about it so take your own destiny in hand: www.leaseloco.com/car-leasing/search |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 2, 2023 15:07:30 GMT 1
No opt out option for me despite them not giving me much of a suitable option and me asking if I could under the equality act
t**ts 🙄
Steve
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Post by Gitram on Jan 2, 2023 17:24:00 GMT 1
Tesla wheels look sh!te...
marti
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Post by stusco on Jan 2, 2023 19:47:53 GMT 1
Tesla look shit got no character
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Post by alankelly on Jan 2, 2023 21:57:21 GMT 1
Tesla look shit got no character Got to agree there You would think at the cost of a new one the styling could not have been more boring / bland🤮 They had the chance to create a unique car with a modern sports car style but totally f00ked it up by creating a box on wheels Just my take best wishes Al |
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Post by JonW on Jan 13, 2023 13:04:11 GMT 1
well worth a watch.
Harry was the main man at Evo Magazine for many years if you dont know who he is.
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Post by donkeychomp on Jan 13, 2023 22:42:16 GMT 1
I drove an electric car about 40 years ago. All was going well till I got rear ended, then side swiped, narrowly avoided a head on with another car and then about 20 of us were involved in an horrific pile up. Thankfully everyone walked away from it, and I was shocked as some of them had clearly been drinking. Surprisingly no one called the Police.
I then had some candy floss and went into the hall of mirrors.
Alex
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