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Post by giggsy66 on Nov 22, 2022 18:38:09 GMT 1
I’m looking to buy a 125lc but have seen a few imports about that look good.
Is it better to have a UK bike for selling on purposes or for a collection?
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Post by tonyd123 on Nov 22, 2022 20:10:56 GMT 1
They are Japanese, they were all imports at some point  Buy what makes you happy and use it, rather than worrying about what it may or may not be worth years from now. |
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Post by giggsy66 on Nov 22, 2022 21:39:09 GMT 1
They are Japanese, they were all imports at some point Buy what makes you happy and use it, rather than worrying about what it may or may not be worth years from now. I just don’t want to buy an import at the same price as a UK registered bike and then find out it’s not worth the same. |
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Post by dusty350 on Nov 22, 2022 22:26:39 GMT 1
Welcome to the forum I bought a Swiss import 250Lc back in the summer, as the basis for a mild hybrid build. The thing to remember with bikes imported from European countries is that they aren't usually modified like Uk bikes tend to be - and by modified I mean badly bodged, most of the time. I probably wouldn't look at a Uk bike again if there was a Euro bike available. Worth checking the power is the same, any restrictions etc for the smaller cc bikes too. If you are buying to use and enjoy, then a Euro bike would be a good bet, but, in the crazy world of Yam strokers, a Uk bike will be deemed to have a higher value, but probably cost more to buy in the first place. Dusty |
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Post by Norbo on Nov 23, 2022 9:09:19 GMT 1
If its uk registered o would not worry about it . If its not got a uk plat then id want it for less but other then that i would not worry about it . Most likely the non uk one will be faster and unrestricted any way
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Post by abar121 on Nov 23, 2022 12:38:27 GMT 1
The Euro 125s are generally full power and later models actually have the power valve, so worth more to me, if not the rivet counters.
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Post by museumman on Nov 30, 2022 12:11:10 GMT 1
You wont find a UK bike in as original and low use condition as an 'import' . UK bikes will typically be powder coated. And/or built from import parts anyway. The RD125LC scene also has the lowest standards of any 2 stroke group I've seen, it's easier to be conned with a bodged 'uk bike' than it is to find a properly restored one. For that reason I'd only look at imports.
My 'UK bike' is just the frame with re fabricated belly pan lugs, repaired crank cases, fitted with either NOS or Swiss low mile parts that came from bikes with perfect frames and perfect crank cases. I will value it the same as one of my Swiss bikes, but some people will bid higher because the frame and registration started life in the UK. For me the value is in the quality of the parts and finishes used.
You'll also hear billy bullshit putting down imports on facebook at every chance he gets. Every word BS, these people have taken the scene backwards.
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Post by brigitte on Dec 3, 2022 8:37:06 GMT 1
The Euro 125s are generally full power and later models actually have the power valve, so worth more to me, if not the rivet counters. Hello,
the German MK1 is restricted. The exhaust is marked "11Y". The carburetor is marked 11Y too, but you only have to change the main jet for use with the regular 10W-exhaust.
Glad to see that our nice continental bikes are favoured!
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Post by museumman on Dec 3, 2022 12:46:35 GMT 1
The Euro 125s are generally full power and later models actually have the power valve, so worth more to me, if not the rivet counters. Hello,
the German MK1 is restricted. The exhaust is marked "11Y". The carburetor is marked 11Y too, but you only have to change the main jet for use with the regular 10W-exhaust.
Glad to see that our nice continental bikes are favoured!
Was this model a few years after 1982? I've seen an 11Y carb in Belgium but never got hold of one. There's also the Swiss 46W model bike from 1985. It has 11KW - 10W carburetor but a 46W exhaust which is similar to the UK 12A with a flange and small pipe welded in the front. The UK MK3 has a slightly different ignition curve to the import YPVS. Incidentally there's an idiot on Facebook who claims to anyone who still listens to him, that the UK 12A carb is "the best" he also makes similar claims about the "UK cylinders" which appear the same as the import bikes,  . |
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Post by simon998 on Dec 11, 2022 9:53:11 GMT 1
I used to be a stickler for matching numbers and UK bikes, but with the state of 9/10 UK bikes I've seen compared to the quality of most imports, I'd take a decent import over a scabby rusty UK bike any day
You've a real gripe about him Museumman, lol. Each to their own but I usually just let people waffle on, especially on faceache. For example I was told by half a dozen people there that a 1GU CDI box wont work with my 10W flywheel and stator and I was being dumb for trying it, I i just swapped a few wires about and it's been running for 2 years now. If you're talking about the guy I'm thinking about, he's not an idiot, just set in his ways like many other older dudes in this game.
For what it's worth on the carb comment, I've tried all 3 back to back on my bike, both on the 125 barrel and the 175 barrel and there's bugger all difference. I only kept the 1GU on because i 'heard' it was 26mm and the others were 24 but I haven't a bore measuring tool to check the opening insude the carbs.
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Post by museumman on Dec 15, 2022 21:39:21 GMT 1
I used to be a stickler for matching numbers and UK bikes, but with the state of 9/10 UK bikes I've seen compared to the quality of most imports, I'd take a decent import over a scabby rusty UK bike any day You've a real gripe about him Museumman, lol. Each to their own but I usually just let people waffle on, especially on faceache. For example I was told by half a dozen people there that a 1GU CDI box wont work with my 10W flywheel and stator and I was being dumb for trying it, I i just swapped a few wires about and it's been running for 2 years now. If you're talking about the guy I'm thinking about, he's not an idiot, just set in his ways like many other older dudes in this game. For what it's worth on the carb comment, I've tried all 3 back to back on my bike, both on the 125 barrel and the 175 barrel and there's bugger all difference. I only kept the 1GU on because i 'heard' it was 26mm and the others were 24 but I haven't a bore measuring tool to check the opening insude the carbs. You know I've known Mr "YOURE DOING IT WRONG!" and several other Banbury lads for nearly 20 years? sold them all bikes and parts. Spent quite a bit of time with him, I wish he was just an idiot, as we would've got along fine when I'm in idiot mode 🤣 ... We're no longer friends, and neither are the other lads with him and we all tried believe me....... it's quite serious and there's nothing anyone can do. My gripes are the way he treats and manipulates other people, not just ripping me off, or pestering dealers I trusted him with. When he's ruined the two Richard's motors and Leighton's big bore when they arrived on the scene, (Leighton called him out but he didn't notice) it's def serious. Being super matey only lasts so long. How people still believe his MK3 can power wheelie in 2nd gear with a rough 2mm hacked off the exhaust port with a flat file is beyond me. This is one of the "tunes" he sells claiming POWER VALVES ARE A WASTE OF MONEY. (aimed at me btw as I was the one selling them) . He even staged a video slipping the clutch and posted it on FB. No self awareness. it's cringeworthy. I've mostly been diplomatic but other 2 stroke groups aren't. He's been banned from both other RD125 groups, laughed off the DTR and TZR groups. Often trying to win arguments by saying "I've been doing this for 40 years" Stuck in his ways is an understatement! Nobody goes back to him a second time for work or parts. I supply his ex customers with crankcases when they leak or cylinders when they realise they've been badly tuned. |
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Post by brucie on Dec 16, 2022 19:18:13 GMT 1
I used to be a stickler for matching numbers and UK bikes, but with the state of 9/10 UK bikes I've seen compared to the quality of most imports, I'd take a decent import over a scabby rusty UK bike any day You've a real gripe about him Museumman, lol. Each to their own but I usually just let people waffle on, especially on faceache. For example I was told by half a dozen people there that a 1GU CDI box wont work with my 10W flywheel and stator and I was being dumb for trying it, I i just swapped a few wires about and it's been running for 2 years now. If you're talking about the guy I'm thinking about, he's not an idiot, just set in his ways like many other older dudes in this game. For what it's worth on the carb comment, I've tried all 3 back to back on my bike, both on the 125 barrel and the 175 barrel and there's bugger all difference. I only kept the 1GU on because i 'heard' it was 26mm and the others were 24 but I haven't a bore measuring tool to check the opening insude the carbs. You know I've known Mr "YOURE DOING IT WRONG!" and several other Banbury lads for nearly 20 years? sold them all bikes and parts. Spent quite a bit of time with him, I wish he was just an idiot, as we would've got along fine when I'm in idiot mode 🤣 ... We're no longer friends, and neither are the other lads with him and we all tried believe me....... it's quite serious and there's nothing anyone can do. My gripes are the way he treats and manipulates other people, not just ripping me off, or pestering dealers I trusted him with. When he's ruined the two Richard's motors and Leighton's big bore when they arrived on the scene, (Leighton called him out but he didn't notice) it's def serious. Being super matey only lasts so long. How people still believe his MK3 can power wheelie in 2nd gear with a rough 2mm hacked off the exhaust port with a flat file is beyond me. This is one of the "tunes" he sells claiming POWER VALVES ARE A WASTE OF MONEY. (aimed at me btw as I was the one selling them) . He even staged a video slipping the clutch and posted it on FB. No self awareness. it's cringeworthy. I've mostly been diplomatic but other 2 stroke groups aren't. He's been banned from both other RD125 groups, laughed off the DTR and TZR groups. Often trying to win arguments by saying "I've been doing this for 40 years" Stuck in his ways is an understatement! Nobody goes back to him a second time for work or parts. I supply his ex customers with crankcases when they leak or cylinders when they realise they've been badly tuned. |
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Post by simon998 on Dec 20, 2022 19:28:22 GMT 1
Like I said, I generally let people waffle on and take it all with a pinch of salt. It's like all those rd125lcs in the 80's doing 115mph+, I'd love to know what gearing they used as it's never mentioned. (17T front is the biggest I could fit without moding the cases, 43t is the smallest rear I could find - 17/43 @ 11k RPM = 106.6mph on the std gearbox)
I'd one of his headgaskets for the bigbores fail on me but I think that was my doing and water got into the cylinder.
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Post by jam911 on Dec 20, 2022 21:10:31 GMT 1
I had a 125LC in the 80's
When I got it it was 6 months old and I was the second owner.
The first owner had dropped it and scraped all the exhaust so as part of the deal, the Dealer replaced the scraped exhaust and by mistake the got the the 21 HP exhaust....it left all my DT125LC mates for dead.
Maxed out it did about 80/85 on the clock but it felt like 115...it did lift the front wheel in second gear too !!
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Post by brigitte on Dec 20, 2022 21:17:27 GMT 1
Hello,
the German MK1 is restricted. The exhaust is marked "11Y". The carburetor is marked 11Y too, but you only have to change the main jet for use with the regular 10W-exhaust.
Glad to see that our nice continental bikes are favoured!
Was this model a few years after 1982? I've seen an 11Y carb in Belgium but never got hold of one. There's also the Swiss 46W model bike from 1985. It has 11KW - 10W carburetor but a 46W exhaust which is similar to the UK 12A with a flange and small pipe welded in the front. The UK MK3 has a slightly different ignition curve to the import YPVS. Incidentally there's an idiot on Facebook who claims to anyone who still listens to him, that the UK 12A carb is "the best" he also makes similar claims about the "UK cylinders" which appear the same as the import bikes, . Hello,
my parts bike, which has a low 10W-frame number, was fitted with a 10W-carburetor. My bike with a higher number and registered in 1984 was fitted with the 11Y-carburetor. I agree wit simon998 that I didn't notice any difference between the 10W and the 11Y-carb when equipped with the same jets etc.
And its good to know that an 1GU-CDI-unit can be made to work in the 10W.
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Post by museumman on Jan 9, 2023 10:55:13 GMT 1
Like I said, I generally let people waffle on and take it all with a pinch of salt. It's like all those rd125lcs in the 80's doing 115mph+, I'd love to know what gearing they used as it's never mentioned. (17T front is the biggest I could fit without moding the cases, 43t is the smallest rear I could find - 17/43 @ 11k RPM = 106.6mph on the std gearbox) I'd one of his headgaskets for the bigbores fail on me but I think that was my doing and water got into the cylinder. There was nothing wrong with Autisa copper gaskets. You can get those made for half the price. Technical minded people will claim the copper gives an even heat transfer to the head near the chamber so is better than the Athena composite style ones. Facebook lacks decent technical discussion in the name of one-up mans ship, it's a Narcissists' dream. O ringing the head makes more sense on a sensitive kit like the Autisa, for the price of 4 x gaskets? There's about 6 gasket makers in the UK who will copy anything. My uncle used to get leather gaskets made for his old bike club and they would share the price between them, the days when people genuinely helped each other. I remember buying Golf MK2 exhaust manifold gaskets from a guy on VW forums who also did a group buy offer, for gas flowed manifolds, way before facebook came about. I bought my Autisa spares from www.milanuncios.com/ a Spanish free ads site. Found some odd new old stock Autisa spares for 80 and 125LC including gaskets and pistons, just missed out on a new 80LC kit last year. Not easy to deal using a translator though. |
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Post by simon998 on Jan 10, 2023 21:14:17 GMT 1
I've since ordered a copper gasket from Showe on ebay and i'll get it machined out to 68mm. The only machine shop I know near me wouldn't o-ring my head for some reason, I thought it would be a 2 minute job in the lathe
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Post by frogger on Jan 23, 2023 14:29:51 GMT 1
Very informative information 👍
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