kevmc
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Post by kevmc on Jan 19, 2022 1:30:10 GMT 1
Has anyone used one of these gadgets?
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Post by JonW on Jan 19, 2022 2:24:35 GMT 1
I keep looking at them but not bit the bullet yet. I think someone did show some wiring with one in the builds section recently tho?
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Post by dusty350 on Jan 19, 2022 8:06:28 GMT 1
I've got one on my Cafe racer build, but haven't got it wired in yet. I liked the idea of an M unit as it does away with a lot of the standard loom - important to me on a minimalist bike. I bought mine from Dave - Muttsnuts on here, and he said the Bluetooth version was overkill, and not necessary, so I went for the cheaper, standard version. Lots of info on Youtube. Seems a really good quality unit, and one day I may pull my finger out and get it working !!  Dusty  |
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Post by muttsnuts on Jan 19, 2022 9:06:10 GMT 1
yes, I've fitted and used them, got one on my RS421, not been an ounce of trouble and in conjunction with the "M" button saves a boat load of wiring, personally I'd not bother with the "blue tooth" version as if you lose your phone or the phone battery goes flat your buggered.
Setting them up is fairly straight forward once you've decided the exact configuration/setup you want
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Post by LC_BOTT on Jan 19, 2022 10:00:57 GMT 1
I was quite interested in fitting one, but (and I'm not sure if this is correct) they only replace all the ancillaries ie indicators/lights/cut-outs etc and all the ignition and PV control wiring needs to remain?
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Post by muttsnuts on Jan 19, 2022 10:09:32 GMT 1
they replace all ancillaries, plus the fuse box (internal auto reset fuses), you can run your ignition switch etc through it, starter motor and a host of other things. Your igniton system and PV servo etc still need to be powered and wired as normal, but you could replace most of that with either a custom loom or run an ignitech/zeel and just run the wires required
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Post by Tobyjugs on Jan 19, 2022 11:12:23 GMT 1
I'm not so positive about them as two people have asked me to take a look at their bikes due to no Spark.
Both were fitted with M-boxes.
I told them I was too busy, to be honest i should've said I don't know they work.
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Post by dougw on Jan 19, 2022 17:08:31 GMT 1
I`m an automation engineer, work with plc`s and networks , I`m also a bit of a luddite with things that I NEED to work.
I`m not convinced.
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 19, 2022 18:17:24 GMT 1
I'm considering one for the TR
I have NOS looms but not sure how they will fit on the bike so M unit is an option
One thing for sure, I'll be familiarizing myself in how to bypass it and get power to the ignition
Steve
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Post by yanksmoker on Jan 19, 2022 19:09:52 GMT 1
I used one (simple one, not bluetooth) on a XS650 Street Tracker build - it worked great! Really cleaned up the wiring.....
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Post by muttsnuts on Jan 19, 2022 19:30:19 GMT 1
it works on canbus technology, exactly the same as all modern cars now, simple enough and works a treat on my bikes
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tezrhc
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Post by tezrhc on Jan 19, 2022 20:46:19 GMT 1
I’ve got one fitted to the LC, bought the bunch of wires (accessory) and the mo-button. I love it, no fuse box needed, only 1 wire from the handlebars to the unit for all your switches. I did have a problem with no spark but it was a setting on the unit, soon fixed. Can be used with original switchgear as well.  |
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Post by JonW on Jan 20, 2022 1:52:46 GMT 1
Seeing the pic reminded me of one reason that always holds me back; why do the wires have to stick up and out?! grr... imho it would have been better to have them come out the side of the connector. I get that this is 'easy' to use, but does limit the location. hmm...
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Post by dougw on Jan 20, 2022 10:00:57 GMT 1
it works on canbus technology, exactly the same as all modern cars now, simple enough and works a treat on my bikes Exactly. Been having minor intermittent CanBus problems with my 2007 Mondeo since I got it at 1 year old. Dealer no use. Just have to learn to live with it. I install and work with networks such as CanBus, great when they are working properly, which , granted is most of the time. (Problems usually due to cable/connections or physically damaged devices) I`m probably biased as I`m the one who has to diagnose and fix them when they go wrong. For me, fitting one would be like bringing work home with me. With careful wiring and installation they are probably fine , but not for me, for the above reasons. |
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Dave B
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Post by Dave B on Jan 20, 2022 11:00:39 GMT 1
The main reason that I fitted an M Unit on my hybrid is that everything is so different on the electrics and electronics side that there was no prospect of any form of standard wiring loom working was zero. The thing is so simple that it can be wired point to point really simply. The wire from the horn button goes to the horn input, the brake light switch to the brake light connector and so on. In fact this is the second one, because the only problem I had was when a cable from the gear indicator, that has metallic shielding braiding on it for heat insulation touched the live terminal on the M Unit, and shorted it out. It did not work after that! As you see from the picture, the battery terminals on the unit are in the open. I moved the braided cable, and made rubber caps for the power terminals out of a couple of little rubber bungs.
And yes, I do have a gear indicator on a YPVS.
Cheers
Dave
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Post by cb250g5 on Jan 20, 2022 13:35:35 GMT 1
I worked with a bloke with a fairly modern Korean car, can't remember the exact make / model. It was an auto. On his drive home on a Friday, about 100 miles in, the auto box started playing up & wouldn't go into top. This happened week after week. In & out of the garage. In the end they got the Korean tech support guys over, with lap tops & logic analysers etc, to watch the can bus as they drove round & round the M25.
They fixed it in the end, they changed the radio head unit out and all the can bus issues went away. What chance would a home mechanic have of finding / fixing issues like this.
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Robbieben
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Post by Robbieben on Jan 20, 2022 14:55:43 GMT 1
Seeing the pic reminded me of one reason that always holds me back; why do the wires have to stick up and out?! grr... imho it would have been better to have them come out the side of the connector. I get that this is 'easy' to use, but does limit the location. hmm... The last one I fitted I mounted it vertically and used Right Angle Blade Terminals, the whole unit took up no more than 30mm depth. |
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jan 20, 2022 15:06:10 GMT 1
Good old canbus
Had it twice on my 2010 mondeo
They said it was a wiring fault but whatever it was the drivers seat sensor when activated switched the radio off, the aircon off, the headlights on and disabled the starter motor
Was stuck 200 miles from home. Finally worked out I could wind the window down, lean into the car, start it then get in and drive it home 🤣
Steve
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Post by steve h on Jan 20, 2022 16:59:50 GMT 1
Maybe it was your i phone's battery being a bit low?....... Put yourself at the mercy of tech.
After all...the human is just an i phone accessory now, and so easy to control...without them realising it.
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Post by bare on Jan 20, 2022 18:00:58 GMT 1
Curious contraption indeed... Looms on our 350's are about as complex as those found on a Garden tractor.
Purely a poser affectation IMO and a Pricey one at that.
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Post by LC_BOTT on Jan 20, 2022 20:18:16 GMT 1
Seeing the pic reminded me of one reason that always holds me back; why do the wires have to stick up and out?! grr... imho it would have been better to have them come out the side of the connector. I get that this is 'easy' to use, but does limit the location. hmm... here you go jon, believe this type was the earlier version, with good old screw terminals. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165290947255?hash=item267c1bb2b7:g:A~kAAOSwUc1h589u |
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