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Post by kosaprasa on Jul 20, 2021 23:54:24 GMT 1
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Post by JonW on Jul 21, 2021 0:16:19 GMT 1
I agree with you Dejan, its been used. It is low miles I would think, but not zero.
The oil mess around the exhaust area on the cylinders is another giveaway that it has been run.
And... what is that yellow wire about on the neutral switch? defo not OEM, they are blue and part of the stator loom.
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Post by stirling11 on Jul 21, 2021 4:15:22 GMT 1
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is
Pitting on the gear change lever, looks like freshly honed barrels, if it had been stored since 1985 or so wouldn’t some flash rust appear in the barrels
A new kick start rubber isn’t actually hard to come by to replace a worn one
Barrels are gloss black not satin
They’ve done a good job of cleaning it, the can of brake clean could well be the culprit
There are tell tale signs of chain lube below the front sprocket and marks on the front mounting rubbers
I doubt it is zero miles either
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Post by oldbritguy on Jul 21, 2021 7:03:44 GMT 1
Irrespective of how many miles claimed, any motor lying unused for close to 40 years will require a strip and rebuild to replace the seals at least. (Plus whatever else is found inside)
Then it becomes just another rebuilt motor with associated costs, and we all know how much money that can end up being on top of the purchase price
It is only original once and this one, ……well not all of the story is being told here I think.
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 21, 2021 7:06:40 GMT 1
This is my listing and maybe you guys are right, maybe you're not. I bought it a couple of years ago and was told it came from a brand new bike when a dealer somewhere in the UK wasn't selling them so well anymore so they were stripped and the parts sold instead to recoup the money. Of course, this might have been a load of bunkum but all the fastenings look original and none have any spanner marks on them, it really does look like it is as it came from the factory, but as you say, who knows for absolute definite? It certainly hasn't been apart since I've had it, that I do know for sure.
As far as the clean up goes, it was done with just Muc-Off and water, no brake cleaner or solvents were used, it was really only dusty.
It was/is/maybe destined to go in the latest incarnation of the KTMAHumph which is undergoing another transformation but as it won't be a standard bike I wondered if someone else might want to put what does look like an original engine into a faithful restoration, hence putting it out there for all to see.
If nobody buys it, chances are it will indeed go into the current build, the frame should be back from the powdercoaters in a few days to be built back into a rolling chassis, by that time I'll know if I still have the engine or not and this will guide me in the direction of continuation.
Life's a journey and sometimes taking a random turn leads you to a place you would never had visited if you'd followed the usual route :-)
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Post by chrisg on Jul 21, 2021 10:46:38 GMT 1
There are a lot of chancers on EB and most people are sceptical, but I feel that what you are saying is the truth, whether the engine is genuine or not, you can only tell people how you came by it .
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Post by blaine on Jul 21, 2021 11:20:17 GMT 1
The finish on the barrels looks fine to me, the engine stamping is crisp, clutch arm etc looks unused.
The yellow wire just looks a odd price of wire and not from the stator loom, but would be better without it in the pic.
eBay will find the monetary level, good luck with the sale. 🙂
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Post by steve h on Jul 21, 2021 12:39:10 GMT 1
Score marks in cylinders have been honed over, clearly visible.... used. But at right price it will suit someone's needs  |
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Post by 29davyt on Jul 21, 2021 17:38:41 GMT 1
WoW ! Wot a find , Glwts,,
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Post by jon on Jul 21, 2021 18:13:58 GMT 1
Score marks in cylinders have been honed over, clearly visible.... used. But at right price it will suit someone's needs The clutch arm on my 31k engine that had never been split was olive drab, but my later F2 came with bright zinc, Also both had gear levers with just a recess for the gear change clamp. The later banshee levers had the groove all the at round. So I think what we have here is a very low mile rebuilt engine? urbantangleweed A bit of advice (take it or leave it) is to change the add to ‘believed to be zero miles’ if you truly still believe that? I know you say no returns, but if/when someone buys it and does the necessary of changing ancient seals, if they find it as not described they’d still have the right to return it. That would be complicated as it would be stripped, an would probably lead to a long dispute? I would if I bought it as not described at that sort of money. Interestingly I have a similar 31k engine. It showed signs it had never been split until I did. I’ve now done a complete crank rebuild including 3 webs, TZ big ends and genuine rods. What with a rebore and genuine Yamaha banshee pistons it’s also as close to new as possible. It too must be low miles as the black Teflon on the carb slides shows no wear what so ever. Trouble is it’s almost too original for my hybrids, so hasn’t been used (yet?). Jon |
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Post by steve h on Jul 21, 2021 18:27:39 GMT 1
One thing is for sure...It will look nice on a full orig resto! There's no hammer rash, road rash or abuse signs! And nice orig green passivate... Rivit rivit..... dam frogs are at it again....
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Post by midlifecrisisrd on Jul 21, 2021 18:33:16 GMT 1
Score marks in cylinders have been honed over, clearly visible.... used. But at right price it will suit someone's needs I see the streaks you mean but it's difficult from the pic as I've seen oil streak lines look like that Steve |
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Post by jon on Jul 21, 2021 18:36:41 GMT 1
One thing is for sure...It will look nice on a full orig resto! There's no hammer rash, road rash or abuse signs! And nice orig green passivate... Rivit rivit..... dam frogs are at it again.... I agree. It’s a nice engine for a resto, and probably worth near to start price in these times whether we like it or not? However I don’t think it is as described. My advice is to list it with a more probable description and test the market. If it sells at starting bid all well and good. Otherwise reduce to find market value. Jon |
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 21, 2021 21:28:23 GMT 1
Here's the top of each piston photographed through the plug hole with a torch up the exhaust port, maybe the experts here can tell me if this shows anything significant?
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 21, 2021 21:31:11 GMT 1
Nothing I can see other than a "V".   |
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Post by reedpete on Jul 21, 2021 22:55:52 GMT 1
Pistons defo look like they have done a little time, the crowns look to have reasonable build up.
I’m in the camp that asking price is fair if you add up cost of low mileage and fully useable components. However I’m also minded that a revised description would be prudent to avoid problems that could be caused by a troublemaker.
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 21, 2021 23:37:40 GMT 1
Good point Pete, I have amended the listing in light of your suggestion.
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Post by bare on Jul 22, 2021 3:23:17 GMT 1
Astounding greed.. And mercifully ONLY in the uk.
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 22, 2021 6:40:52 GMT 1
Astounding greed.. And mercifully ONLY in the uk. Well, I understand that you could see it that way, but it's actually more of an experiment to see just exactly how crazy the market is after an engine in bits sold last week for £1600. I actually hope the market isn't that crazy as I really quite want to use it as I have never seen one that looks as good as this since, well, about 1985 I suppose! If it sells, that would cover the remaining cost of the next build, if it doesn't, it'll save me £1000-£1500 building up another engine for it. |
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Post by arrdy350 on Jul 22, 2021 6:52:17 GMT 1
Glwts 👍
If it was me I would keep it.
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Post by stirling11 on Jul 22, 2021 15:06:20 GMT 1
If you are sure it hasn’t been used and you’re confident it hasn’t been apart and put back together again and you’re confident it will run with no issues with seals or bearings, pistons, crankshaft or any part, then as said above you should use it in your resto as also said the engine number does not look like it has been compromised
If you yourself would answer “no” to any of those questions, then I’d presume it would make it hard to justify selling it as a “reputedly brand new engine” particularly given the amount of, what appears to be, carbon on the tops of the pistons
I doubt you would encounter that much carbon with only a bench test at the factory, either way I wish you well with your sale or your use of the engine
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Post by chrisg on Jul 22, 2021 18:57:11 GMT 1
Score marks in cylinders have been honed over, clearly visible.... used. But at right price it will suit someone's needs The clutch arm on my 31k engine that had never been split was olive drab, but my later F2 came with bright zinc, Also both had gear levers with just a recess for the gear change clamp. The later banshee levers had the groove all the at round. So I think what we have here is a very low mile rebuilt engine? urbantangleweed A bit of advice (take it or leave it) is to change the add to ‘believed to be zero miles’ if you truly still believe that? I know you say no returns, but if/when someone buys it and does the necessary of changing ancient seals, if they find it as not described they’d still have the right to return it. That would be complicated as it would be stripped, an would probably lead to a long dispute?. Jon I bought a LC gearbox from EB only to find it was an Aircooled gearbox and obviously didn't fit. No returns means no returns On EB. I exaplained it was misrepresented, not interested. |
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Post by andy748 on Jul 22, 2021 19:10:29 GMT 1
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 22, 2021 22:58:42 GMT 1
I've de-listed it, some of you guys got me concerned that someone might buy it and whinge and moan so sod it, I'm keeping it and it'll go in my next build, it's a fabulous thing and I'm keeping all to myself, myself I tell you, mwah-ha ha........ :-)
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 22, 2021 23:06:54 GMT 1
Glwts 👍 If it was me I would keep it. Good advice, I've taken it  |
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Post by stirling11 on Jul 23, 2021 3:50:29 GMT 1
I think you have made the correct decision
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 23, 2021 6:02:57 GMT 1
I think you have made the correct decision It's a very selfish decision, but engines in this condition are so difficult to find and I just know that halfway through building up another I'll regret selling it. |
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Post by dusty350 on Jul 23, 2021 7:12:52 GMT 1
Hardly selfish, more sensible I think, especially if you can use it in a future build. Different if you were moving away from a Pv engined bike, but as you have something lined up, it would be crazy to sell it on. Dusty |
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Post by urbantangleweed on Jul 23, 2021 8:25:40 GMT 1
Hardly selfish, more sensible I think, especially if you can use it in a future build. Different if you were moving away from a Pv engined bike, but as you have something lined up, it would be crazy to sell it on. Dusty It will be in something within a week all being well Dusty! |
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Post by chrisg on Jul 23, 2021 11:49:27 GMT 1
Hardly selfish, more sensible I think, especially if you can use it in a future build. Different if you were moving away from a Pv engined bike, but as you have something lined up, it would be crazy to sell it on. Dusty It will be in something within a week all being well Dusty! It might even be in one of Dustys bikes. |
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