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Post by veg on Nov 23, 2020 9:08:44 GMT 1
Guess he’s to ‘uppity’ for some people hey.
I’m proud that a guy who is a real representation of modern Britain hasn’t been gifted this has fought all the way against barriers and attitudes (some represented on here) and has gone his own way.
He’s not been silenced and has a voice, he does it without resorting to cheating or aggression, he has built the team around him and they likewise as all great champions do.
He has a social consciousness and is trying to change things for the better (or as some of you would call it ‘virtue signaling’)
A lot to like in my book, I have no disagreement with others who prefer certain drivers for there own reasons Jim Clark ( I’m a big fan) senna ( I can appreciate)
Can’t quite put my finger on it !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 10:48:38 GMT 1
Guess he’s to ‘uppity’ for some people hey. I’m proud that a guy who is a real representation of modern Britain hasn’t been gifted this has fought all the way against barriers and attitudes (some represented on here) and has gone his own way. He’s not been silenced and has a voice, he does it without resorting to cheating or aggression, he has built the team around him and they likewise as all great champions do. He has a social consciousness and is trying to change things for the better (or as some of you would call it ‘virtue signaling’) A lot to like in my book, I have no disagreement with others who prefer certain drivers for there own reasons Jim Clark ( I’m a big fan) senna ( I can appreciate) Can’t quite put my finger on it ! 'A representation of modern Britain'? LOL...Maybe people find him annoying because he's just a f**king knob... pushing his own agenda when it's unnecessary, rather than just getting on with it. But hey ho... I'm sure you'll think know best, Veg.😉 |
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Post by headcoats on Nov 23, 2020 11:05:49 GMT 1
You will calling him "Sir" soon aswell  Be alongside the other funts like Sir Bradley Wiggins etc, groan |
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Post by earthman on Nov 23, 2020 12:46:13 GMT 1
Guess he’s to ‘uppity’ for some people hey. I’m proud that a guy who is a real representation of modern Britain hasn’t been gifted this has fought all the way against barriers and attitudes (some represented on here) and has gone his own way. He’s not been silenced and has a voice, he does it without resorting to cheating or aggression, he has built the team around him and they likewise as all great champions do. He has a social consciousness and is trying to change things for the better (or as some of you would call it ‘virtue signaling’) A lot to like in my book, I have no disagreement with others who prefer certain drivers for there own reasons Jim Clark ( I’m a big fan) senna ( I can appreciate) Can’t quite put my finger on it ! 'A representation of modern Britain'? LOL...Maybe people find him annoying because he's just a f**king knob... pushing his own agenda when it's unnecessary, rather than just getting on with it. But hey ho... I'm sure you'll think know best, Veg.😉 That's what made me Lol too. It's the likes of all these 'snowflake' people who are making modern Britain/the world so bad today. The likes of Hamilton have no integrity in my opinion and like Gary 'Walker's crisp' man, it's all 'do as I say/preach' but don't expect me to actually take in an immigrant, wear a mask, etc etc. |
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Post by steve63 on Nov 23, 2020 14:07:25 GMT 1
There's a few saying he got the breaks because of his ethnicity not despite it. A bit like Jenny Tinmouth getting the Honda BSB ride despite not being good enough but because she happens to be female. Lewis just turned out to be quite good.
I don't know much about F1 or care much about it. It's as far removed from anything I would spend my time watching as I can imagine. I do know someone who is an avid F1 fan and who has met and chatted to a few drivers at various events. He rarely has anything bad to say about anyone in general but can't stand Lewis and calls him an arrogant ignorant c..t and it's got nothing to do with his race.
Odd that he can go around corners at all with such a big chip on his shoulder.
I don't feel the need to like or support someone just because they come from the same country or ethnic group as me. Same goes for Crutchlow I'm afraid.
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Post by headcoats on Nov 23, 2020 14:33:50 GMT 1
Let's do a Poll on here !
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Post by steve h on Nov 23, 2020 17:23:03 GMT 1
I cant help but wonder just what he could of achieved if there wasn't all the inequality that he is highlighting....
There is lots of inequality even in our country... and it's not confined to race.... There is/was a famous trade unionist who used to say "there goes someone who could win an olympic equestrian medal.. but she will never get the chance to even ride a horse"
His nibs has been fortunate to have a family who could afford to give him the chance.. with obvious financial difficulty... but never the less a chance... which is more than many.
He is without doubt, the best of his time, shame he wasn't into bikes, he comes across as a bit of a bell end, but hey that's just the way the cookie crumbles. Not everyone in motorsport has the appeal of Bazza..... or the love of the fans. You can always use the "OFF" button if you think any spiel of his is bollocks (I use it all the time)
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Post by steve h on Nov 23, 2020 17:28:28 GMT 1
There's a few saying he got the breaks because of his ethnicity not despite it. A bit like Jenny Tinmouth getting the Honda BSB ride despite not being good enough but because she happens to be female. Lewis just turned out to be quite good. I don't know much about F1 or care much about it. It's as far removed from anything I would spend my time watching as I can imagine. I do know someone who is an avid F1 fan and who has met and chatted to a few drivers at various events. He rarely has anything bad to say about anyone in general but can't stand Lewis and calls him an arrogant ignorant c..t and it's got nothing to do with his race. Odd that he can go around corners at all with such a big chip on his shoulder. I don't feel the need to like or support someone just because they come from the same country or ethnic group as me. Same goes for Crutchlow I'm afraid. He got the breaks because he was brilliant. And, do you think there are no folks that dont want any black person to get any f**king chance at anything? They exist alright, I worked with a big golfing geezer who thought that Tiger Woods was the worst thing to happen to golf!! I shit you not!! He said he would "not share any course with a ******) The fat nazi c**t. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 22:42:39 GMT 1
Let's do a Poll on here ! Lewis Hamilton: A, A great representation of modern Britain. B, Quite a nice bloke who does alot for the country and makes us proud. C, A bit of a knob, but a great F1 driver. D, A total bellend of the highest order. Answers on a postcard please. |
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Post by earthman on Nov 23, 2020 23:06:17 GMT 1
C and D for sure.  |
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Post by veg on Nov 23, 2020 23:49:34 GMT 1
Yet another thread dragged down by conspiracy theorists and crack pots.
This was about F1 drivers sadly didn’t take long before petty nastiness intolerance and the usual crap from the usual mouths reared it’s head.
Time this thread was closed you want a poll to jack of over I suggest you open one, me I’ve got better things to do than waste my time with oxygen thieves and the living embodiment of Darwinism.
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Post by donkeychomp on Nov 23, 2020 23:50:19 GMT 1
He was on the news the other night, and kept on about how as a kid and during his karting days he was constantly told how he was useless and would never amount to anything. None of that is really true as he was raised to be the best he could be at anything and was groomed during his karting time to become a F1 driver. Apparently he's also a black belt in Origami or something. So, trained to be the best and yes he now is the best. Equalled Schumacher's F1 titles and beat his win record. Fair play and well done and all that. But he lacks so many things. He's arrogant, and so quick to lay blame to anyone and everyone who beats him or even overtakes him, he lacks dignity. He certainly lacks any kind of modesty and nobilty. A knighthood? Almost a given. Will he carry on? You bet and probably win next season. Yes he holds the highest record in F1, no denying that, but the greatest driver? That, sadly, is one thing he'll never be and it's a pity. I do wish him well and perhaps, when he hangs up his helmet, he might do something with the countless millions he must have.
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Post by JonW on Nov 24, 2020 0:13:54 GMT 1
as a kid ... he was constantly told how he was useless and would never amount to anything. Alex (Ive cut (paraphrased?) the bit I wanted from what you said Alex) Hmm, I heard that a lot as a kid. Looking back most of the people who said that were trying to get me to work harder and reach my potential more than bashing me down, or maybe im just thick skinned and like to prove people wrong. In the army they tell you stuff like that from the start as well, its something we Brits seem to do to get a result. Psychological conditioning or something lol. So did someone say it to him as he came up, yep i bet they did. Not a skin colour thing at all, just a bit of a push I expect. |
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Post by veg on Nov 24, 2020 0:26:43 GMT 1
He didn’t have the start that people expect and his dad did have to work hard and sink his savings into his sport, he was sponsored early doors by Ron Dennis but to the tune of I think £30k which was nothing, Dennis says he saw something in him for pure speed and talent.
He certainly didn’t have the wealthy family background of others.
Just take a moment though remember what you were like at say 20 ish now you’re earning huge money and your one of the best in the world feted and praised, you have an inner self belief, how much of a pain in the arse would you have been?
Contrary to what others have said I know couple of people that have met him say the absolute opposite that he is thoughtful and friendly so who is right?
Was senna a nice person? Shumi? What about Prost? Difficult to say, personally I think he is a credit to himself and the sport.
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Post by steve h on Nov 24, 2020 0:48:52 GMT 1
Ron Dennis played an utter blinder! There are a few in motorsport from very wealthy backgrounds as you say veg, (Its a shame that not all with a bent for something get a lift) Lewis got to be where he is through talent.
I've seen real talent succeed, and fail (not through lack of talent or trying) Some of the riders I saw close up in the eighties Should of become British champs and even further... It's a real strange one.. like a knife edge, it seems that close to "failure" and success. Maybe we need more Ron Dennis's....
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Post by JonW on Nov 24, 2020 1:00:08 GMT 1
Motorsport is a knife edge as you say Steve, have talent recognised by money men and so get good sponsorship and you can choose your team, they will have good sponsorship too. More money = better car/bike and more chance of a result. Then you have to have talent and use it. Then you have to have luck as well.
Bad luck, less good team, bad vehicle, less money to play from worse sponsorship than others all mean you wont make it to the top no matter how good you are.
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Post by earthman on Nov 24, 2020 8:49:10 GMT 1
Yet another thread dragged down by conspiracy theorists and crack pots. This was about F1 drivers sadly didn’t take long before petty nastiness intolerance and the usual crap from the usual mouths reared it’s head. Time this thread was closed you want a poll to jack of over I suggest you open one, me I’ve got better things to do than waste my time with oxygen thieves and the living embodiment of Darwinism. Lol, there you go with the name calling again Veg, just because you don't like to hear a difference of opinion and how some folk truly see Hamilton. I never would have thought that a man of your age would become one of these 'snowflake' people,...how wrong I am. |
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Post by headcoats on Nov 24, 2020 8:58:13 GMT 1
The lefties are taking over !
If someone has a different opinion to the poster then you are flamed ffs
Same shite being forced to take the knee where you are forced by the self righteous
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 10:19:28 GMT 1
Yet another thread dragged down by conspiracy theorists and crack pots. This was about F1 drivers sadly didn’t take long before petty nastiness intolerance and the usual crap from the usual mouths reared it’s head. Time this thread was closed you want a poll to jack of over I suggest you open one, me I’ve got better things to do than waste my time with oxygen thieves and the living embodiment of Darwinism. Gosh... no need to get so worked up mate. People are just giving an opinion on a clearly divisive chap, who most seem to think is a bit of a knob. Each to their own I guess, eh.😉 |
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Post by tony2stroke on Nov 24, 2020 12:37:33 GMT 1
Yet another thread dragged down by conspiracy theorists and crack pots. This was about F1 drivers sadly didn’t take long before petty nastiness intolerance and the usual crap from the usual mouths reared it’s head. Time this thread was closed you want a poll to jack of over I suggest you open one, me I’ve got better things to do than waste my time with oxygen thieves and the living embodiment of Darwinism. O dear, the irony of that post Ti-mouthy. And mine I suppose with the Ti-mouthy bit, but I couldn't resist. |
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Post by ozzysbikes on Nov 24, 2020 12:37:45 GMT 1
No doubt a very good driver, certainly not the greatest,
D in the poll because of his criticism of Bernie ecclestone and Mario andretti who both just basically said that he is talking bollocks and that they have not seen racism in F1,
He's a dick, just my opinion
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Post by huxley on Nov 24, 2020 14:16:57 GMT 1
I am sure this has been said, but put him in a williams for a season and see what he can do.
No disrespect to Williams.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 14:46:28 GMT 1
The way the funding works in F1, where the more points you get the more money you receive
So finishing further down the classification means less or no money at all in some cases
You could hardly expect a lesser team to get further up the ranking with less bonuses, I think that that is the reason why F1 doesn’t have the same appeal as it once did
Saying that I’m not sure the funding method has always been this way
I guess you get a very very well off owner then you might get a better car if the team wasn’t classified from the previous year, no one really wants to sponsor a losing team or cars
I really feel for Williams, both Claire and Frank as their once world champion team has declined so much due to the results of their classification
I think, maybe, a bit of equalisation needs to be employed, we may get a more watchable product
I used to love watching F1, however now it’s more or less just Mercedes or Red Bull in the race, the rest just squabble for the minor placings
Red Bull will have engine supply issues which may drag the competition even lower unless Ferrari, McLaren, Renault etc can do something special
As for the discussion on who is the GOAT, I think this goes the same way as any other sport discipline, can you really compare different generations, for example was Steve Ovett better than Seb Coe, or is Rossi better than Agostino, how do you measure is the issue
It’s one of those never ending discussions, or maybe arguments is a better word
It’s interesting all the same
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Post by steve h on Nov 24, 2020 14:59:15 GMT 1
If thats the way F1 is funded as in more points more money, then someone with the balls should reverse it, as in less points more money. A vicious circle that the "lower" teams cannot escape. "Lower" does not mean less able less dedicated, less anything, they are working just as hard as the top teams.. it must piss them off watching the others hare off into the distance making the racing a complete bore. BTC has a handicaping system. Put Hamilton at the back of the grid with all the other drivers in a reverse order of their championship positions for the 1st say, half dozen meetings....at least you'll get 6 meetings worth watching....
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Post by drc on Nov 24, 2020 16:23:29 GMT 1
I think he’s a really good driver, but probably not the best driver.
I don’t watch F1 anymore as I think it’s become more like an eSports competition. The driver aids make it more like a video game. How far are we away from autonomous cars with the driver as ballast, or maybe not even a driver?
Mercedes is also by far the best car on the grid and I think the way F1 is structured they will continue to have the most money and best engineering for a long time. It’s actually quite boring. I’ve heard Clarkson going off on the occasional rant about it.
I think when you look back to drivers like Nuvolari who were racing on public road circuits like the Ards TT on nothing much more than a chassis with glorified farm cart suspension, it did take much more skill than what is required today.
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Post by veg on Nov 24, 2020 16:47:54 GMT 1
I don’t disagree that time has changed however if you read reports from lots of journalists and ex racers lots explain that irrespective of the car quality you still have to finish ( beat your team mate) and get to the end. There is also lots out there that talks about cars being developed around top drivers ( every team does it) get the fastest you can and develop from there.
Don’t forget just how quick he was against alonso from the off, that is special.
Far as teams and funding is concerned you either need big sponsors ( red bull) the developed best car ( Mercedes) or get special F1/FIA dispensation (Ferrari).
Unfortunately the days of yore don’t actually exist! Look at fangio moving to the right teams at the right times, moss never winning a championship, through the 70’s and 80’s schumi getting the best car at the right time ( after it was developed around him and running slightly lesser team mates)
Was button the best driver when he won? No but he was undoubtedly in the best car, so luck does play a big part but to win 7 titles and the most races etc etc etc shows you are special.
Sadly some want to support a negative narrative around him due to who he is and what he supports in life whilst using dog whistle terms.
I don’t necessarily agree with all he has done but as I said earlier imagine being in his shoes?
The talk of racism and whether it is or isn’t in the sport or whether it is endemic in western society is a whole different thread and as I said right from the off not for here.
Unfortunately there are those on here who are either illiterate and can’t read it, or for the sake of controversy ignore it, or they are so incredibly dense they don’t have the cognitive ability to understand, sadly they do this on many threads.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 17:54:03 GMT 1
I hear what you saying Veg, Hamilton has had to fight for his position, as did Albon, Norris, Max, Danny Ric and in all honestly the lot of them, maybe the exception may be Stroll
I don't know if I'am part of the negative narrative or not, I see what he does in a race where things aren't going quite right, the stewards are wrong, I'm on the wrong tyres, the strategy was wrong or and this is the bit I really don't like is the racism card, its not needed I think its wrong to play it, by all means take knee, I'm not bothered, I doubt playing the racism card in a race is a wise choice
Be proud you are of different descent, my brother in law is an Aboriginal, he doesn't run around with a chip on his shoulder, he has two daughters of their own my other two nieces as step daughters and looks after them all as if they are all his, and they adopt too, I've never ever seen him play the race card and I've never seen him out of work at any time
There is always this belief that if you from another race you have to try harder, work more just to keep ahead of the game, more than anyone else does
I come from N Ireland, I survived the troubles, in Oz where I'am now I stood out like a sore thumb, my accent made sure of that, ginger hair white skin and red sunburn there were lots of huh, umm, what did he say
And yes i thought I had to try harder stick my head above the pack all the time, the people from Asian extraction had to do it too, but much worse, they were the boat people, vilified to the extreme, we got on with it, they got on with it, we knew it wasn't right we thought we had to do more just to get recognised, the majority I'd say did it without complaining and kept to their communities to keep their culture alive
Now we can not get enough of it, the food, the celebrations they bring is now part of our mainstream culture and we love it
I've never had the opportunity to meet Hamilton, if I do my opinion of may well change, at this stage I can't really warm to him, no doubt he's a great driver in a great car, and he has won a championship with McClaren from memory, there's just a few bits that I don't like that i see on TV
I need to do more research on him and perhaps I'll have a better understanding of what it is that makes him tick, I certainly wish him no harm
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Post by julianboolean on Nov 24, 2020 18:17:09 GMT 1
I had a chat with someone a few years ago who was CEO of marketing at an airline that sponsored Lewis Hamilton at the time, can't remember which one but it was a middle eastern airline, apparently the Hamilton family are really nice people, especially Lewis' mum, Lewis could be a bit of a knob off track, but he was very focused on his driving and winning and got quite stressed by it - which is the case for most successful drivers and riders, Niall Mackenzie could come across as an uptight arse when he was in GPs, but he was one of the nicest people in bike racing I've met when I was chatting to him at the NEC last year (mostly about LCs)
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Post by veg on Nov 24, 2020 18:59:16 GMT 1
I’ve seen racism at first hand primarily through lots of mates who are either black or Asian heritage and how some behave towards them is for me appalling, almost minimising their humanity.
So I have no idea what it must be like to experience it first hand and how I would deal with it, but for me it’s inequality that riles me whether due to my race or ethnicity or my sex or sexuality. What I do know is until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes you shouldn’t judge them.
My ex and mother of my son is from Belfast parents from
Both sides of the divide and watching the attitudes play out at home was always eye opening.
For me he is more than the sum of his parts and he may moan and bitch is that focus? How though a white octogenarian billionaire can state that there is no racism in F1 when it’s not his lived experience is laughable.
I don’t mind his attempts at raise awareness for his paternal ethnic heritage as whether we like it or not there is racism in this society and I understand why he doesn’t as some suggest remember his mother’s side, when was the last time white European ethnicity was a barrier to success or at least deemed to be a problem?
Anyways I think this has probably ran and ran.
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Post by earthman on Nov 24, 2020 20:57:31 GMT 1
I had a chat with someone a few years ago who was CEO of marketing at an airline that sponsored Lewis Hamilton at the time, can't remember which one but it was a middle eastern airline, apparently the Hamilton family are really nice people, especially Lewis' mum, Lewis could be a bit of a knob off track, but he was very focused on his driving and winning and got quite stressed by it - which is the case for most successful drivers and riders, Niall Mackenzie could come across as an uptight arse when he was in GPs, but he was one of the nicest people in bike racing I've met when I was chatting to him at the NEC last year (mostly about LCs) You/he said it right there, that's the reason why some can't stand the guy. I don't think it matters whether he's actually good or bad at driving a racing car or whatever he did for a living, I don't care,.... the guy leaves a bad taste in some folks mouths because he acts like a knob! |
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