Biker thief killed...

[4l04ever]

metro.co.uk/2020/11/05/man-murdered-motorcycle-thief-by-using-his-car-as-weapon-to-ram-him-13542315/

What would you do if someone stole your bike???

[shaunthe2nd]

Karma.
I'd do the same.
The state is far too soft on scrotums like this. He won't, but would love it if the bike owner gets off.

[steve h]

Two answers to that depends on your political leanings..

He committed murder and should stand trial.

The guy had every right to pursue them and should be given a medal.


But there is a moral to the story.....you never know who you are robbing.... do it often enough, and you will end up "doing" the wrong character.
The authorities will be saying the defendant had no right to take action and should of left it to Law.. even though the "Law" would of done f**k all about it...ever.
Society aint far from being lawless...thank all those who have cut funding and officer numbers (and creating the "pretend" albeit toothless patrol dept)... the past and present incumbents of Gov UK.

Take action yourself, get stabbed, shot, or dragged to your death.. best leave that to the Police. It happens to them all too frequently doesn't it..

[JonW]

Nov 6, 2020 1:36:46 GMT 1 steve h said:

Two answers to that depends on your political leanings..

He committed murder and should stand trial.

The guy had every right to pursue them and should be given a medal.


But there is a moral to the story.....you never know who you are robbing.... do it often enough, and you will end up "doing" the wrong character.
The authorities will be saying the defendant had no right to take action and should of left it to Law.. even though the "Law" would of done f**k all about it...ever.
Society aint far from being lawless...thank all those who have cut funding and officer numbers (and creating the "pretend" albeit toothless patrol dept)... the past and present incumbents of Gov UK.

Take action yourself, get stabbed, shot, or dragged to your death.. best leave that to the Police. It happens to them all too frequently doesn't it..

That line is exactly what I thought when i read this as well.

[Deleted]

Excessive force works both ways in the eyes of the law. If you are prepared to steal something, then the aggrieved person must have a right to defend themselves and their property. However ramming a bike/moped might be OK for a skilled police driver to do but if you kill someone doing it then regardless of mitigating circumstances you have still killed someone.

Regardless of how the law/justice/police/CPS work take control of the situation by securing your bike so it doesn't get stolen. If you don't then make sure it's insured. If it's not insured it's either a worthless piece of cr@p or it should be immobilised

Don't take justice into your own hands regardless of how aggrieved you are. You are not Jack Reacher.

[veg]

Few things in this. Charged with murder but won’t be found guilty of it, you have to prove ‘malice aforethought’ eg you intended to kill, it’ll be manslaughter, sec18 grevious bodily harm with intent ( he intended to do serious harm by cause of his actions) yep that’s a check.
Should he have done it?
Nope absolutely not, take the moral anguish and anger out of it, he has killed someone for stealing something, they haven’t entered his property, he isn’t at risk of harm nor is anyone in his family.
Are they likely to be known to the police? Guaranteed they’ll be well known scrotes.
Should he have left the police to deal with it?
Yes absolutely, would they have done more? Would they have attended? Nope not a chance! Would they have likely got away with it? Yes quite probably.
It is also lucky that no one else was harmed or hurt by either action.
Do police ram motorcycles? Very rarely depends on the risk to others but not for the sake of just a theft there would need to be further extenuating circumstances, it also depends on where you are in the country in know of forces who will have a non pursuit of motorcycle policy.
Would I have done similar?
I’ve chased someone down the road when they stole my cbr1000f from my garden on foot with a torque wrench they couldn’t bump start it and legged it, was I in control? Nope red mist had descended.
Was I wrong?
Should they have the freedom to help themselves to other property? Nope, we’re they in the wrong absolutely, will the survivor have learnt? Highly unlikely.
Does the criminal justice system work? Nope 75% of all criminals within 4 years of release from prison are back inside. It’s based just on punishment and retribution, we should be looking at rehabilitation. Not for all crimes but for some but it is completely counter intuitive.
Tragic case with tragic outcomes.

[doohanno1]

"Excuse me your Honour, we would like to introduce a new witness who saw the bike 'brake check' the defendant's vehicle"..🗣

[earthman]

A lot of people have lost faith in the whole system I feel, from the cops on the street to the courts and prison service. Sure, they all should have dealt with this.

[reedpete]

I’d ask liam Neeson to phone them...

[29davyt]

Deserved everything they got,, scum, scum ,scum, will of always been scum and always will be scum it’s bred into people like this, they no no better they’re a burden on society, best rid of them all ... feel sorry for the bike owner

[ajh]

I think at the point an adult decides to commit a crime, they are being antisocial and relinguish all human rights, rights to protection, legal rights etc. So in this case the thieves have no rights and risked being hurt/killed.

Question is did the defendent decide to commit a crime and what was it? Certainly not murder, maybe manslaughter or GBH but with mitigating circumstances
Then he should be congratulated for reducing the tax burden for prisons & benefits and reducing the future local crime rate

[chrisg]

Nov 6, 2020 11:18:24 GMT 1 ajh said:

I think at the point an adult decides to commit a crime, they are being antisocial and relinguish all human rights, rights to protection, legal rights etc. So in this case the thieves have no rights and risked being hurt/killed.

Question is did the defendent decide to commit a crime and what was it? Certainly not murder, maybe manslaughter or GBH but with mitigating circumstances
Then he should be congratulated for reducing the tax burden for prisons & benefits and reducing the future local crime rate

Im guessing he was trying to stop in his tracks , but ended up killing him. probably manslaughter but hopefully the judge will be lenient.

What goes around, comes around.

[veg]

He will be guilty of manslaughter. You’re charged with murder in the first instance but without the mens rea of malice aforethought you’ll generally be guilty of manslaughter.
He’ll probably put his hands up for that with mitigation, however by his actions he must have known the outcome would be poor.
Sad situation.

[lcmarky]

Personally I'd not interfere with a thief as they are nasty vicious scrotes who don't give a monkeys about yours or their own well being & are quite likely to knife/shoot you at will.

A dead thief has to be a result and that was his call to ram him, so no doubt the UK tax payer will be paying for his accommodation for a while..

I'd have filled out an insurance form and been grumpy for a few days..

[steve h]

The criminal justice system does work... up to a "point".
100% of criminals, whilst detained at Her Majesties Pleasure, will not commit any offence against any member of the public.....
The system can fail as soon as they reach the "point" at which they are released, ie half the sentence in some cases.
The public dont care for their "rehabilitation"... they just want "protection"
The mental health of victims can be seriously eroded by crims nefarious activity.

[skydemon]

Got what they deserved tbh

[fabiostar]

well done that man, one less scumbag walking around.

[steve63]

This almost happened to me. I'd come home from work on my Suzuki A100 at around 7:30pm my Wife arrived home at 9:00pm and I went out to lock up and make sure everything was secure at 9:30 and the bike was gone. She told me the bike was there at 9pm. I jumped in the car, an Orion and about a mile away as a drove past a cul-de-sac I could see two bikes, one with the lights on and one without. I slammed on the brakes and did a 'U' turn. At that point he must have realised that something was going on and shot out as I was turning the car. I was about 50 metres behind him when he took a 90 degree left, incidentally heading back towards my house. I was quite impressed with his corner speed to be honest but he hadn't taken into account the fixed foot pegs on an A100 and down he went sliding across someones drive outside of the corner and just missing a parked car. I drove onto the grass just behind the bike and jumped out. He can't have injured himself too much because he was off like a scolded cat with me chasing him. Anyway he got away.

At the time I was thinking that if he made the corner there was no way he was going to make the next one as I had every intention of ramming him off. My next thought seeing him come off was that I was going to make sure he couldn't nick anything for a while. The Police came and looked for him in that half @rsed way they do everything.

Some observations from that night:
1) I had no thoughts for his safety, not one.
2) It makes no difference if the bike is worth £100 or £10,000.
2) I said I would gladly go to court if I injured him and I would say I had no remorse and would do it again.
3) I've never been so pumped with adrenaline ever before or since. It took hours and a couple of whiskeys to get my heart rate down enough to sleep.

There's only one thing worse someone could do to someone and that's to hurt a member of their family. If that happens then as far as I am concerned then on the spur of the moment there are no limits.

In this case I can't see how they can charge him with murder. Murder is a deliberate act carried out to cause someone's death. I'd have thought manslaughter at most, a reckless act that led to someone's death.

[huxley]

Bike thieves should be hung, drawn and quarted.
I had one of the first RD 125 LC in the country and it was stolen after a week from my local town centre.
The police did not find the scum that pinched it, but said that I could pick my bike up as it had been recovered.
It was found in the sea. I was devastated and it still makes me angry to this day and that was 1983 (I think ).
The insurance company did not right the bike off so I was left with a thrashed bike full of sea water.!!!!!

[29davyt]

Hope the Bike owner doesn’t look at/ read the news much, different scenario with no theft or death involved but similar rage triggered by a relatively small incident 😳

BBC news report..
Newport driver jailed for 10 years for ramming scooter rider
A driver has been jailed for 10 years for ramming into a scooter rider who accidentally cracked his wing mirror.
Christian Verrall, 32, caused 20-year-old Craig Bond life-changing injuries in the attack in Pill, Newport, earlier this year.
Verrall performed a U-turn to chase Mr Bond through busy streets, his trial heard. He was convicted last month of wounding with intent.
Cardiff Crown Court heard Verrall used his 1,000kg Ford Fiesta as a "weapon".
Mr Bond was sent flying over the bonnet, leaving him with fractures to his leg and foot.
'Red mist of rage'
He now has "suicidal thoughts" and has continuing problems with his leg, the court heard.
Verrall's trial heard he had dumped the car and reported it stolen. When he was shown CCTV footage of what happened, he told police: "That doesn't even look like me."
However, the father of one, from Newport, later admitted dangerous driving and perverting the course of justice.
Sentencing him, Judge Caroline Rees QC said: "You lost your temper and it is clear from the evidence that the red mist of rage descended."
In mitigation, Verrall's lawyer Harry Baker claimed his client suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder due to "an early-life trauma".
Det Con Rebecca Hamilton, an officer involved in the case, said the level of violence used was "appalling".
"This has been a difficult and distressing time for the victim and his family," she said.
Verrall was also disqualified from driving for nine years and eight months.

[steve63]

Nov 6, 2020 8:04:23 GMT 1 mellorp23 said:

Excessive force works both ways in the eyes of the law. If you are prepared to steal something, then the aggrieved person must have a right to defend themselves and their property. However ramming a bike/moped might be OK for a skilled police driver to do but if you kill someone doing it then regardless of mitigating circumstances you have still killed someone.

Regardless of how the law/justice/police/CPS work take control of the situation by securing your bike so it doesn't get stolen. If you don't then make sure it's insured. If it's not insured it's either a worthless piece of cr@p or it should be immobilised

Don't take justice into your own hands regardless of how aggrieved you are. You are not Jack Reacher.

If more people took justice into their own hands then things might improve. My 13 year old son had his push bike taken off him by two lads while he was out doing his paper round. How was he supposed to take control of that situation? I got a phone call from the owner of the paper shop to say my son was in his shop and he was scared and upset. So you leave it to the Police and know that nothing at all will get done? If they are prepared to take a push bike off someone in broad daylight that's a bit bigger deal than taking one from a shed our from outside the shops.

I jumped in the car and for some reason I headed for the nearest council estate and sure enough five minutes later we saw the two lads with two bikes one of them was my sons. We had an exchange and they got away with the bike as well. Five minutes later the police turned up. Then a woman stopped her car and said there was a bike in the middle of the road around the corner. We got the bike back but the tyres and seat had been slashed with a Stanley type knife. I said to the Police Woman that it shows they had a knife. She said "you don't know that, he could have gone in a house, picked up a knife and come back out again to slash the tyres and seat." It seems they always give the thieves the benefit of the doubt. I went to the station but because they didn't have enough pictures of suspects matching my descriptions they couldn't show me any! (tip: if you witness something be very vague in your descriptions). My descriptions were, both about 16/17, one mixed race, one white with ginger hair.

A couple of years later on a main road outside our local Asda a guy stepped into the road and stopped a white transit van before two others dragged the driver out and drove off in the van. A few minutes later my Mrs was just walking away from her car after parking it outside some shops when a white transit comes flying round the corner being followed closely by a car. The Transit takes my Wife's wing mirror off right were she had been stood 10 seconds before. Turns out the Transit was being chased by the car because it had crashed into it earlier. The Transit had three men in it. The Police turned up and caught the three men near it. They found finger prints of the three in the van but they claimed they had all just 'looked' in it. The Police never charged them. Where the van ended up and where the bike ended up was about half a mile apart on the same council estate.

This is what happens you see. The Police don't take 'minor' crime like taking a young lads bike seriously so the scum bags go on to commit bigger and better crimes as their confidence grows. At least by killing one and putting the other in a wheelchair that cycle will have been stopped 

Strangely enough near where I live now Rathlin Energy are definitely not fracking but the Police have enough manpower to man road blocks 24/7 just in case any protesters try to stop them from not fracking. 

Each to his own but I'm not sitting by if I can do something about my own situation myself.

[JVH301W]

Thieves in general are scum but bike thieves are a special kind of turd and I have no sympathy for them. If I caught someone trying to take my stuff I'd do all I can to stop them, with whatever I have. The guy in the article should have just said he gave chase and left it at that. Someone stealing a bike trying to evade pursuing owner would be erratic and if he suddenly braked it wasn't the car owners fault.. Besides the car didn't kill him, the lamp post did, he wasn't wearing a lid let alone a back protector so wasn't anyone else at fault why he got a painful end. One less bike theif around either way.

[29davyt]

I see the guy who chased and killed the thieving bike scum got 10 years !
apple.news/A3jsyFLG7RcqnpFrv9Y7WBQ

[steve h]

Have you seen the video of his driving whilst chasing the thieves? He's lucky he didnt kill someone else as well. *unt.

[29davyt]

He’s totally flipped his lid hasn’t he ?

[allspeeds]

He flipped his lid and lost his shit, granted, but he probably was going to spend that particular evening or whatever in his house being a normal member of society until some c**t decided to break the law and take his bike, I have empathy for him poor bloke.